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Sunday, September 9th 2012, 5:02pm

How do you use escape so much times?

A couple nights ago, we fought an all R/S and P/S guild, and all of as were setting up cities of eyes.

There were a couple of us at B tower, all of us standing on top of our own eyes, and A Rogue was able to sneak up to the first guy iand eye n hide, lowbloe him - no problem with that, escape can do that - but then go into hide again right beside the eye, walk around to me in hide, lowblow me (again unaffected by eye I'm standing on), then again go into hide right beside the eye, then walk to the third guy and so on.

I looked up Escape, and it had a 2 minute CD. And I thought Stun immune items only allowed you to get out of a stun, so should he have been stunned by the eye as soon as he jumped back into hide? :confused: (lol can't see the "??" on the confused emote now, fail forum colour is fail)
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Sunday, September 9th 2012, 11:10pm

Eyes have a cast time, so if the rogue was doing all this fairly quickly it is possible that he was in hide between the eyes casts..
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Monday, September 10th 2012, 2:21am

Quoted from "Morderz;569007"

Eyes have a cast time, so if the rogue was doing all this fairly quickly it is possible that he was in hide between the eyes casts..


No way this is possible, the cast time is really short and with multiple, you're going to get stunned. Vanish works, but 15 seconds and.10m cd. What you've described is not possible. Either you've described it loosely, or the rogue was hacking (eyes will invariably stun that rogue). As for vanishing after killing, it's possible to go back into hide after killing someone quickly - usually after a 1 or 2-shot kill. But those eyes will ruin us.

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Monday, September 10th 2012, 3:41am

I know nothing about rogue, but does cake work on eyes like it does on flame tower fear? If so, maybe they were using cake, or some other immune.

I have a lot of friends in this game, and have had a lot over the years, and I've never known anyone that admits to or talks about hacking (yet they talk about a lot of other stuff you would think they'd be scared to, so I don't think it's out of fear). So maybe I'm nieve, but I'd guess it's more likely a bug in the game than a hack -- if not legit.

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Monday, September 10th 2012, 1:40pm

Also once out of fight, he (or anyone else) can use invisibility potion.

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Tuesday, September 11th 2012, 1:45pm

Eyes pop you out of Invis Pot. I wasn't aware of that, popped an Invis Pot to try and sneak up to enemies and got pwnt by Eyes. -.-
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Tuesday, September 11th 2012, 2:08pm

Quoted from "mikkehboii;569238"

Eyes pop you out of Invis Pot. I wasn't aware of that, popped an Invis Pot to try and sneak up to enemies and got pwnt by Eyes. -.-


But can't you use a Candy & an Invis potion to block it from casting?

I doubt Eye can bypass an immunity?

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Tuesday, September 11th 2012, 2:19pm

Quoted from "mrmisterwaa;569244"

But can't you use a Candy & an Invis potion to block it from casting?

I doubt Eye can bypass an immunity?


Dunno about that, never tried it.
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Tuesday, September 11th 2012, 4:11pm

Eyes have a really really short cast time *If they have any*. I once accidently went and put an illusion tower near an enemy eye, the eye was continiously stunnning me whenever i got invis... which was everytime the illusion tower got out of stun... so it was a perm stun for me at that time.

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Tuesday, September 11th 2012, 4:18pm

Quoted from "mrmisterwaa;569244"

But can't you use a Candy & an Invis potion to block it from casting?

I doubt Eye can bypass an immunity?


the same rogue problem happened to me yesterday. Don't really know about immune, but i can atleast say that they didnt have the time to do an immune and come at us. We were standing in an illusion tower with an eye with us and an eye at all the main points from where a rogue can come at us. none of the eyes were touched and a rogue just went through us in hide, saw us in the illusion and came back in hide and low blowed us to death. I would really like to know how he avoided the stun as he didnt have any immunity going as we would have seen him going out of hide if he had used it near the first eyes.

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Tuesday, September 11th 2012, 4:46pm

There is nice macro that will list all buffs someone has, but of course it will not work if someone is in hide, but might help once person is out of hide to figure out how people buff/pot.

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Tuesday, September 11th 2012, 4:53pm

Quoted from "bilalab;569274"

the same rogue problem happened to me yesterday. Don't really know about immune, but i can atleast say that they didnt have the time to do an immune and come at us. We were standing in an illusion tower with an eye with us and an eye at all the main points from where a rogue can come at us. none of the eyes were touched and a rogue just went through us in hide, saw us in the illusion and came back in hide and low blowed us to death. I would really like to know how he avoided the stun as he didnt have any immunity going as we would have seen him going out of hide if he had used it near the first eyes.


Vanish will make you immune to eyes for its duration of 15s. but that has a 10m cd. that's the only thing I know of.

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Tuesday, September 11th 2012, 9:12pm

Quoted from "kynamdoan;569279"

Vanish will make you immune to eyes for its duration of 15s. but that has a 10m cd. that's the only thing I know of.


I still get hit with eyes with vanish.
escape is the only thing I know of that goes through eyes.

OP- I've seen the same thing with rogues being in hide or popping in and out completely uneffected by nearby eyes, which is wierd because it seems I can never be anywhere near them within like 200 range for even a second. Then sometimes I'll be standing still for like 30 seconds planning my attack with a nearby eye targeted that hits me out of no where, I really don't understand that because if I was in range it should have hit me within seconds.

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Wednesday, September 12th 2012, 6:10am

Quoted from "Bakken;569319"

I still get hit with eyes with vanish.
escape is the only thing I know of that goes through eyes.

OP- I've seen the same thing with rogues being in hide or popping in and out completely uneffected by nearby eyes, which is wierd because it seems I can never be anywhere near them within like 200 range for even a second. Then sometimes I'll be standing still for like 30 seconds planning my attack with a nearby eye targeted that hits me out of no where, I really don't understand that because if I was in range it should have hit me within seconds.


You're right, I meant to say escape, but wrote vanish :P

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Wednesday, September 12th 2012, 7:09am

I started a thread about this exact type of thing about a month ago.
Still I have never been given an explanation of this. It only ever happened against 2 guilds, same server, and never against any other rogues or guilds.
So far, still.... unexplained
I hate to call something an exploit or a hack but since to date only 2 guilds and only a few rogues from non end game guilds have used it it looks like what I hesitate to call it.
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Wednesday, September 12th 2012, 7:15am

Most probably due to lag, he could have pop escape and come at you guys. I suppose these 2 are the logical reason.
But when you and a few guildies are gank while surrounded by eot, fot. That is something to ponder about
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Wednesday, September 12th 2012, 7:37am

Quoted from "CROMI80;569376"

Most probably due to lag, he could have pop escape and come at you guys. I suppose these 2 are the logical reason.
But when you and a few guildies are gank while surrounded by eot, fot. That is something to ponder about


I have to disagree.
Lag can cause real time effect issues. But to have certain rogues use this, get close and then disappear again until the next attack pushes the boundaries of the "Lag" argument.
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Wednesday, September 12th 2012, 8:19am

Like I say, lag could be the culprit in most cases, but some rogue's are just "special" they move with lightning speed ( you kill him at middle areas and he can show up and gank you under less than 10 sec.) plus you are surrounded by eot, fot. Lightning towers.
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Wednesday, September 12th 2012, 8:31am

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Like I say, lag could be the culprit in most cases, but some rogue's are just "special" they move with lightning speed ( you kill him at middle areas and he can show up and gank you under less than 10 sec.) plus you are surrounded by eot, fot. Lightning towers.


I've noticed that some rogues buff up to super speed to run through the eyes, I remember one siege I saw one who didn't quite make it past the eyes but was still behind where the eye was placed and got stunned.

Was the only reasonable explanation as to how he would have gotten past the eye, I forget that might have been in a siege vs Illu or something, I don't remember at this point.

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Wednesday, September 12th 2012, 9:08am

Quoted from "Kefkai;569383"

I've noticed that some rogues buff up to super speed to run through the eyes, I remember one siege I saw one who didn't quite make it past the eyes but was still behind where the eye was placed and got stunned.

Was the only reasonable explanation as to how he would have gotten past the eye, I forget that might have been in a siege vs Illu or something, I don't remember at this point.


Speed + escape is what the rogue was trying to do. 10 seconds to get by in hide mode. You can't zoom by eyes w/out using escape, you will get stunned. Eyes have become such a headache I siege as p/s or s/k if I get the chance :P