Runes of Magic US / AU

The chances on the Gashas are far too low. It seems on average players need to buy atleast 10 Gashas to get one Rune reward. That's 190 diamonds for atleast rune. I never want to pay for things I don't need and gambling is not in my budget. I would suggest making the runes the guaranteed part with a low chance at getting AT charges, Purified Fusion Stones, AND more runes. Yes, I said AND not OR. That means this would be justified to market as a bargain. Not only will players get the runes they so desperately need for their armor and weapons but they get a chance to make their gear better with AT charges, PFs and More runes!
New players and existing players will be happier to buy items that are rarely in the item shop than buying an item they could get any day. Sales are supposed to be special and not sustainable. If you tell us that we are getting Runes in a sale, we expect to get Runes as the main focus of the sale and intend to purchase those runes directly. The ad says little to nothing about how low the chances are of getting the actual runes from these Gashas. The fact that we can get PFs in these gashas is completely overshadowed by the Runes. PFs on sale is not a big deal, the Runes are a very big deal, which is odd because the chances of getting a Rune are less than getting the PFs. It should be written as "Purified Stone Gashas with Runes!" so as to inform us that Purified Stones will be guaranteed with a chance at the Runes.
The primary reason why players intensely dislike these Gashas is the rate of success is about 10-15% on average. This is not a good return for us. Maybe if the chances were about 50% or so of recieving the small reward and 25% of the big reward, we might be happier. Most of the time these gashas are more or less useless items or items that players do not need on a day to day basis with a chance at items players would rather have. This should be opposite. You should guarantee players will recieve things they need on a day to day basis with a chance at something bigger. Here's an example of a good Gasha: Have Refining Jewels for Weapons/Accessories/Armor (1-6) with a 50% chance at (7-12) and a 25% at (13-16). Players need to refine their armor often but very rarely do most players go past +6. This would encourage players to purchase these Gashas to enhance their armor further than normal while getting the Refining Jewels to get their items to the level they need to enhance further. You could offer these Gashas for about normal pricing depending on success rate past the initial prize. If players do not succeed past the (1-6) Jewels, their losses are minimal and they can use the items they recieved. If the players have additional success, they will have ways to advance their character further than it would have been. The main issue I have with the current offer is that the items are vaguely related at best. Runes, Purified Fusion Stones and AT charges all relate to upgrading armor. It has no further relation and seems like it was thrown together out of things people ask for on sale most.

Quoted from "vfwiffo;583058"

Wrong premise leads to wrong conclusion. If you get 1 rune per 10 pulls, you are having a sting of bad luck. It can happen, sure, but it is not any more a typical success rate than my first two pulls getting 3 runes. As you can see from posted examples, even people who are complaining about their luck, and thus are more likely to post, have better success rate than that.

For me, I sent each of my 4 alts 6 gashas, intending for each to get 3 runes. Only one did not make his quota.

*Rest of the post snipped, as it is built up from wrong premise*

I don't understand why you consistantly justify every sale these people put forth. It is highly irretating to read your posts.


The RNG that supports the gashas leans more to a result that gives the player less items, the publishers are able to alter every aspect of the game that is dependent on a chance. This applies across the board, +'n an item for example, they control your success rate not the jewels and it's done to just give them more sales. Anyone who has played a mmo where you have to + armor knows this.

So in conclusion you're wrong again (as per usual), just because you got lucky 2 times does not mean the value of them is worth it overall. We collectively told the sales team Gasha's are bogus so many times but wrong influences from people like vwiffo will never change how we purchase stuff.

It must be cool posting the sales first every week, posting on the forums everyday all while being the worst siege rogue in the history of this game.

I actually.. *Gasp* agree with Wiffo for once. You're just having a string of bad luck.. I spent about 500 diamonds and got 24 runes. And being that they are the price of the puri that's in them.. these gashas are not bad at all, not at all. I only had a few times where I got only the puri, but even that was okay because hey it's a puri and you need tons of them.

Quoted from "Stickingit;583062"

The RNG that supports the gashas leans more to a result that gives the player less items, the publishers are able to alter every aspect of the game that is dependent on a chance. This applies across the board, +'n an item for example, they control your success rate not the jewels and it's done to just give them more sales. Anyone who has played a mmo where you have to + armor knows this.

+1

In no way should these, or any, Gashas be justified as a good sale. Everything in this game is already a gamble, from rolling stats to +'ing gear, and they are adding insult to injury by putting up 'sales' that cause us to buy excess amounts of them just to obtain what we are after in a gamble​.

I never thought I would say it, but I sorely miss the old AU GM's/CM. At least they didn't try to rip us off and push us into buying things we don't need. Before US took over we had never even seen a Gasha except for those free ones you got from festivals at times, and for that we were very great full.

While we still had those moment of 'wtf, why the hell did you put that crap on sale' the sales were ,99% of the time, based on player opinion and feedback, both through forums and facebook/twitter. If only the current CM's (as I don't believe there is a sales department, and if there is it has no life of its own) could listen to its player base in the same manner as the AU did.

Quoted from "vfwiffo;583073"

The only attempt at making a factual assertion in this badly illiterate post is that RNG leans to giving lesser rewards more often. It is a nice strawman, given as it is very unlikely there are people who really think otherwise. Really, anyone here really thought that all of the non-guaranteed bonus items have same chance of appearing?

Snipped the rest as not being worth reading, much less responding to.

Thanks for replying with information that you quoted already. Again justification of garbage sales by implying players don't expect to get the full reward, that isn't the point. We shouldn't gamble with our money on virtual chances. Regardless if anyone thought what they were going to get wasn't what they got, we as a community on the US forums have stated an overwhelming response of not wanting Gashas.

Gambling is fun when you actually have a solid, physical reward you can hold, anything otherwise is fruad to a degree because they alter the return to generate more revenue.

You can snip all you want, you read it and that's all which matters.

As bad as this sale was, I think it achieved its effect - I don't think they've been able to get players to dish out so much dias in a long time. People much everyone bought at least half a dozen of them. I usually stay far away from gashas, and even I bought 6 or 7, before giving up with getting only 1 rune.

Quoted from "vfwiffo;583058"

Wrong premise leads to wrong conclusion. If you get 1 rune per 10 pulls, you are having a sting of bad luck. It can happen, sure, but it is not any more a typical success rate than my first two pulls getting 3 runes. As you can see from posted examples, even people who are complaining about their luck, and thus are more likely to post, have better success rate than that.

For me, I sent each of my 4 alts 6 gashas, intending for each to get 3 runes. Only one did not make his quota.

*Rest of the post snipped, as it is built up from wrong premise*

Just because you are having a good luck streak doesn't mean the system isn't built to output failures.

I understand that our failures lead to their profit but the fact still stands that most of us will fail about 60% or more of the time on receiving one or more rune from these gashas. For you, you sent each of your 4 alts 6 gashas each, meaning you purchased 24 gashas. 3 runes each is 12 runes, which is roughly a 50% success rate. Anything less than what you pulled is pretty much what most everyone else got. The point is that you didn't read the rest of my post.

It's not the fact that my success rate was so low, it's more that the Sales team marketed this all wrong. They completely overshadowed the fact that the guaranteed items are Purified Fusion stones (which many people would be happy to see on sale) instead they focused on the Runes which have a low success rate (which is much more rare so people got really excited). It's a let down to see you got a stinkin' PF and 10 AT charges when the Big Ticket Item is a Shiny New Rune! It's an awesome event when you get a PF on sale with an extra rune and 10 AT charges to boot.

Marketing 101: Sell what you have with a chance at something else, people will be happy to buy the original item on sale and get something special for free. Sell that they have a chance at a big prize with something on the side, people will be disappointed with the side dish and be unhappy they didn't get the big prize. It's not a bad sale, it's how they marketed it and presented it to us that is my issue with them.

Also, I have plenty of friends who had about the same results as I did. Some had better, some had worse, but mostly people had about the same luck as I did with these gashas. Please, don't "snip" my posts just because you don't think a point is valid, you are responding to me to begin with so you must see some validity.

Quoted from "Rossbot;583099"

Please, don't "snip" my posts just because you don't think a point is valid, you are responding to me to begin with so you must see some validity.

Please do paragraph your posts though. Your previous post that pink hat not so nicely quoted was nearly impossible to read, with the massive walls of text. Forum background is hard to read already, writing out a wall of text really discourages even the most determined readers on the forums.

Congratulations, you have successfully proven that you have luck with a random number generator. Your chance to get extra items in each one is the same, no matter what.

Anyone can buy 5 more and get something decent, or just the 5 puris or anything in between.

But note, you do -NOT- always get a bonus item. You ALWAYS get a puri, and then you have a CHANCE at getting something else.

WTB Broken Gasha. I spent a good coin on those successful gashas back in the day. these low rate orbs of failure humor with a couple just to test the waters. The waters are bone chillingly disappointing.

Quoted from "vfwiffo;583114"

McDonalds ads don't show families celebrating winning that small order of french fries

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48qzZT4Rj24
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Also, your picture isn't very conclusive evidence due to the "4 out of 5 dentists" technique as is any other bid for or against it. A sample is a sample though, I suppose. Any bit of "I had 3 from 19" or "I had 9 from 2" isn't enough to estimate the actual randomness of getting any rune in any gasha, though. The only way to find out would be for Gameforge to tell us how far off we actually are. So there's no real point in arguing over who got what from how many ever gashas.


Rather, the point would be that people don't need a million dollars when they go to McDonalds. They go because they want food. Sure the money and the prizes attract people in these contests, but there is always alternative ways to get said prize, whether it be by working a job and buying it or what have you.

The people who are buying these gashas for the puris are satisfied, but there are people who need the runes. Those people aren't satisfied. When no alternative to get runes is provided, then gashas must be bought by individuals seeking end game. And while my point above stands, the ones who do only get 3 runes from 20 gashas are getting screwed. They did have bad luck, yes, and needlessly so.

People aren't upset because the gashas themselves are fail. They are mad because they need runes in which there is no alternative option to get them which make the gamble of the gashas a must to be endgame.