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Monday, January 7th 2013, 1:50pm

Mage Class no longer viable NO NOT WARMAGE

I am so depressed about my Mage. I have been playing for years on my mage and have thouroughly enjoyed it. I have spent so many hours and a lot of money to get it where it is today, I would be afraid to calculate the total that I have spent.... I am a Mage/Scout/Priest and love to play M/S, (P/S for SW). I know how to play my mage and I play it well. We are now the lowest DPS and I mean LOW of all the damage classes, and there is no need for Crowd Control in any of the new instances, so it leaves me wondering how much longer we will be invited to any runs. We do very little damage compared to Melee classes and now with the Warmages and their elite skills we are pushed even farther back on the damage meter. The Warmage is so OP that it is depressing. A lot of people rerolled and maybe that was the intent I don't know but if that is what I have to do to stay playing Runes OF Magic, then I refuse to do it!!

I don't know about this game anymore, I mean we always hear that they try to balance the classes and it is hard to do but then they go and make this one class that tells me balancing was not a primary concern!!

I love this game and will continue to play and invest money on my Mage, but not until the next chapter and then only if my class is fixed and I can compete with other damage dealers!! I don't even feel like playing anymore it is depressing me so bad, I may just take a break until the next chapter to see if anything is done.

I would love to hear from other mages out there that feel the same as I do. Maybe we all need to voice our concerns and maybe then we may get fixed. However if all the mages are going to become WARMAGES , then this game is done as far as I am concerned. I play it cause I like my class not just to keep up with the Jone's or FOTM and if this is no longer an option for me than I will sadly walk away from this game!!


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Monday, January 7th 2013, 4:10pm

I gave up playing the mage class as a main in Chapter 3. Poor dungeon design past AV has pretty much made our main function of crowd control useless, and Game/Frog/Forge class balance has been a real joke for the class.

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Monday, January 7th 2013, 4:10pm

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I am so depressed about my Mage. I have been playing for years on my mage and have thouroughly enjoyed it. I have spent so many hours and a lot of money to get it where it is today, I would be afraid to calculate the total that I have spent.... I am a Mage/Scout/Priest and love to play M/S, (P/S for SW). I know how to play my mage and I play it well. We are now the lowest DPS and I mean LOW of all the damage classes, and there is no need for Crowd Control in any of the new instances, so it leaves me wondering how much longer we will be invited to any runs. We do very little damage compared to Melee classes and now with the Warmages and their elite skills we are pushed even farther back on the damage meter. The Warmage is so OP that it is depressing. A lot of people rerolled and maybe that was the intent I don't know but if that is what I have to do to stay playing Runes OF Magic, then I refuse to do it!!

I don't know about this game anymore, I mean we always hear that they try to balance the classes and it is hard to do but then they go and make this one class that tells me balancing was not a primary concern!!

I love this game and will continue to play and invest money on my Mage, but not until the next chapter and then only if my class is fixed and I can compete with other damage dealers!! I don't even feel like playing anymore it is depressing me so bad, I may just take a break until the next chapter to see if anything is done.

I would love to hear from other mages out there that feel the same as I do. Maybe we all need to voice our concerns and maybe then we may get fixed. However if all the mages are going to become WARMAGES , then this game is done as far as I am concerned. I play it cause I like my class not just to keep up with the Jone's or FOTM and if this is no longer an option for me than I will sadly walk away from this game!!


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Honestly pyper,

I dont know why you're complaining. You're one of the top dps'ing mages on the server.. m/s is a beast in instances especially with their 60/70 elites.

You're also in one of the "top" guilds on Palenque so being a lwoer dps is not an issue you can jsut get carried through.

As far asCC'ing? There hasn't been any"good" cc'ing instances since hos... no point in complaining now.

As far as mage itself goes, Pyper I know that you do more damage total than some mele people.

Warmage, yes many hae rerolled to it, jsut to take the easy way out and do more damage, but that doesnt make mage obsolete.

But to be honest, you think gameforge or whoever cares about one person walking away? look how many players hae walked away,mostplayers dont expect this game to last through the year...

You're a good mage, who cares what other people do and you can een out damage mele dps'ers. Whatever you do is your decision but theresno reason to get upset b/c mage is the"lowest" dps in game.. when it's not.

Pretty sure knight has the lowestdps in game. (lol)
r/m
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pretty sure theres tons of other calsses that have lower dps than mage.. making your assumption false..

but good luck with your endeaors.
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Monday, January 7th 2013, 5:09pm

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Honestly pyper,

I dont know why you're complaining. You're one of the top dps'ing mages on the server.. m/s is a beast in instances especially with their 60/70 elites.

You're also in one of the "top" guilds on Palenque so being a lwoer dps is not an issue you can jsut get carried through.

As far asCC'ing? There hasn't been any"good" cc'ing instances since hos... no point in complaining now.

As far as mage itself goes, Pyper I know that you do more damage total than some mele people.

Warmage, yes many hae rerolled to it, jsut to take the easy way out and do more damage, but that doesnt make mage obsolete.

But to be honest, you think gameforge or whoever cares about one person walking away? look how many players hae walked away,mostplayers dont expect this game to last through the year...

You're a good mage, who cares what other people do and you can een out damage mele dps'ers. Whatever you do is your decision but theresno reason to get upset b/c mage is the"lowest" dps in game.. when it's not.

Pretty sure knight has the lowestdps in game. (lol)
r/m
p/w
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s/p
s/k
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w/s

pretty sure theres tons of other calsses that have lower dps than mage.. making your assumption false..

but good luck with your endeaors.


Gigi, I may out DPS some melee classes only because I am more geared than they are. I compare myself to the melee in my guild and the mages ARE at the bottom of the barrel. For a Mage I may be one of the top DPS'ers but only against other mages! Now, I am complaining because I do not think it's fair to have one class who is a damage dealer be SOOO far behind all of the other damage dealers and especially since there is no place for Crowd Control anymore! Like I said if my guild has 2 openings left to fill for an instance and its me and a melee that is equally geared that wants to go, they will take that other person and I do not blame them. If there was still a role for mages as crowd control I would still feel like I have a purpose and DPS would not matter.

If you think it is wrong for me to come on here and voice my opinion then please tell me what the forums are for? I wanted to hear from other mages to see if they feel like me. Look how many have rerolled, that should tell you something, if their mage was viable they never would have changed class.

I spent a lot of time and money getting Pyper where she is and I love playing my M/S very much. But if there is no purpose for me and my DPS sucks compared to the rest of my guild then I will sadly walk away from this game before I just reroll to stay viable. I did not say that thinking Gameforge would care, I said that because its how I feel. I was hoping that other mages not just ONE would also express their feelings towards their mage because nothing will get done if we all just sit back and accept how things are!

Gigi, you need to see scrut when we are in an instance and then you tell me I have nothing to complain about. I cannot compare myself to other guilds or other players not in my guild. I compare myself to my guild members that are equally or better geared than me.

OH and BTW Gigi, I prefer to pull my own weight and NOT be Carried Thru any Instance!

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Monday, January 7th 2013, 5:40pm

I have always played a mage. Now i am not top geared by any means. Especially after my gf and my break from the game. I know I am not great DPS, but it seems to get us through what we want to do. I mostly run M/P, and looking at if i should pick up m/w or m/s just to have some change.

Though i enjoy my mage i know it isnt the best, but i am not worried about that. Now we do have multiple other classes and characters so we usually feel we can switch around.

I feel Mages may be the lowest DPS, but i get used to not being the highest and just play what i enjoy.

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Monday, January 7th 2013, 5:52pm

M/P and M/S were always below M/W in terms of DPS since the release of Chapter 4. Majority of the high end DPS mages were M/W. They just switched sides and became W/M. Just like the S/R did with R/S at the beginning of Chapter 4. Let me ask you, what did you think of your DPS in ToSH-H compared to everyone else? Some mages at that time complained about not being able to compete with Physical DPS classes. But the M/W's I knew were very much competitive in DPS. They even topped the scrutinizer sometimes. I do have to bring up the past in this case as they have quit the game and moved on. The M/W's have swapped to W/M not because M/W is no longer viable, it is just because W/M can do better DPS with the same gear. Why would you not want to do better damage and help your party down bosses quicker? It would make sense to do so, no? Viability and top DPS are two completely different things.
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Monday, January 7th 2013, 6:15pm

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and the mages ARE at the bottom of the barrel


No they aren't. I Gaurentee you out dps any of the classes i linked.

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For a Mage I may be one of the top DPS'ers but only against other mages!


so what's wrong with being the top dps'ing mage?

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Like I said if my guild has 2 openings left to fill for an instance and its me and a melee that is equally geared that wants to go, they will take that other person


Sad. Sucks not getting runs, eh?

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If you think it is wrong for me to come on here and voice my opinion then please tell me what the forums are for? I wanted to hear from other mages to see if they feel like me. Look how many have rerolled, that should tell you something, if their mage was viable they never would have changed class.


Dont believe i said you couldn't voice your opinion.


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Gigi, you need to see scrut when we are in an instance and then you tell me I have nothing to complain about. I cannot compare myself to other guilds or other players not in my guild. I compare myself to my guild members that are equally or better geared than me.


That would be quite difficultseeing as to how I dont run with your guild. Also, only comparing yourself to your guild could lead to bias answers. There areotherequally geared mages out there not in your guild. I dont believe your guild has every good player. Other equally geared M/S's with the 60/70 elite I dont think there are any. Comparing yourself with anyother mmm mage not m/s would also be biased seeing asto how a m/w that knows how to play their toon would p00p on a m/s. You should only be comparing yourself to othermages. OBVIOUSLY you're not going to out dps r/wd's, r/s's, m/w's, w/m's, maybe s/wd and s/w w/wd and w/r. each class to their own but to say that m/s isnt viable is going a little too far.

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OH and BTW Gigi, I prefer to pull my own weight and NOT be Carried Thru any Instance!


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Monday, January 7th 2013, 6:34pm

mikkeh what you don't get is probably the fact that HE ENJOY PLAYING AS A MAGE people wake up.. his first post is about saying how he loves mages and wouldn't switch to a class he won't enjoy as much... so please don't be retarded and let other mages post what they're thinking but don't tell him w/m is the way to go.. cause it isn't, the way to go is the way you like to play. So if you like mages then you wanna play as a mage and not as warrior... think about that when you post an answer without any sense...
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Monday, January 7th 2013, 6:57pm

Why are non-mages coming on this thread and telling the mages to suck it up...

Bottom line, would you recommend Mage to anyone? Hell no! And that's a problem.

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Monday, January 7th 2013, 7:28pm

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Why are non-mages coming on this thread and telling the mages to suck it up...

Bottom line, would you recommend Mage to anyone? Hell no! And that's a problem.


Thank you Odell, I think you get what I am saying.

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Monday, January 7th 2013, 7:30pm

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No they aren't. I Gaurentee you out dps any of the classes i linked.



so what's wrong with being the top dps'ing mage?



Sad. Sucks not getting runs, eh?



Dont believe i said you couldn't voice your opinion.




That would be quite difficultseeing as to how I dont run with your guild. Also, only comparing yourself to your guild could lead to bias answers. There areotherequally geared mages out there not in your guild. I dont believe your guild has every good player. Other equally geared M/S's with the 60/70 elite I dont think there are any. Comparing yourself with anyother mmm mage not m/s would also be biased seeing asto how a m/w that knows how to play their toon would p00p on a m/s. You should only be comparing yourself to othermages. OBVIOUSLY you're not going to out dps r/wd's, r/s's, m/w's, w/m's, maybe s/wd and s/w w/wd and w/r. each class to their own but to say that m/s isnt viable is going a little too far.



heh.


Actually, in a long fight like in KBN M/S with their lvl 60/70 elites will out dps M/W. When you level and play a mage, then come discuss it with me. Otherwise worry about your own class!

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Monday, January 7th 2013, 7:44pm

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mikkeh what you don't get is probably the fact that HE ENJOY PLAYING AS A MAGE people wake up.. his first post is about saying how he loves mages and wouldn't switch to a class he won't enjoy as much... so please don't be retarded and let other mages post what they're thinking but don't tell him w/m is the way to go.. cause it isn't, the way to go is the way you like to play. So if you like mages then you wanna play as a mage and not as warrior... think about that when you post an answer without any sense...


I didn't realize M/W wasn't a Mage. Oh wait, it is. Please learn to read before you post something that doesn't make sense, because my post very much does make sense.

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Why are non-mages coming on this thread and telling the mages to suck it up...

Bottom line, would you recommend Mage to anyone? Hell no! And that's a problem.


Nowhere am I telling mages to suck it up because simply they are not at the state that some mages are claiming them to be. And if someone is into magic, why not recommend Mage? Like I stated earlier, being a top DPS class and being completely viable are two completely different things. Until people get that into their heads they will continue to cry. Why have some S/R not give up on Scout and play R/S? Because they are aware that they are still viable and that they do NOT have to be the top of the scrutinizer.
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Monday, January 7th 2013, 7:51pm

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Why are non-mages coming on this thread and telling the mages to suck it up...

Bottom line, would you recommend Mage to anyone? Hell no! And that's a problem.


Oooh, neato. This is one of those "only mages are allowed to comment" threads? And, yes, I rolled a mage alt right before I posted, so I can get admittance to the cool mage club.

Franky, though, the "Arbitrator of Fate complaints" thread was more fun to read.
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Monday, January 7th 2013, 7:57pm

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Bottom line, would you recommend Mage to anyone? Hell no! And that's a problem.

Yes, I would. A good mage is indeed completely viable in instances. Just because you're not at the top of scrut does not mean you're useless.

How many times have I wished we had some mages in Heretic. The same people who say there is no room for CC's are the same people who can't get the latest instanced cleared yet. When we clear trash, we make our rogues shadow prison, interrupt, we make (or try) to get our warrior(mages) to blasting cyclone, shout. If we had a mage, we'd tell them to get in there and discharge when we pull. It makes the run a LOT easier. Ask any other end game clearing guild out there: Is Shadow prison worthless? Throat Attack? Blasting Cyclone? Discharge? No.

M/W, M/S, and M/P I recommend and are still and perhaps always will be viable classes in instances.

WTB some actual mages in Heretic, because they are *still* viable and make runs (and siege war) a LOT easier.

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Monday, January 7th 2013, 7:57pm

Nowhere in my post did I say that I wanted to be on top of the scrutinizer. I spoke about the large gap between the mages and the melee. The gap between them is huge!! Runes of Magic has no place now for Crowd Control which normally is a mages main function, so if we are gonna have crappy DPS with AOE's that are not needed , what is the point of a mage and why would you recommend a mage to anyone??

Mages are still great for clearing in Seige Wars, absolutely, but I dont think that most people play mage just for seige.

I am not even saying that I am right in everything I say, it's just honestly how I feel at the moment about playing my mage. Even with the GCD before I never felt like this.

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Monday, January 7th 2013, 7:59pm

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Nowhere in my post did I say that I wanted to be on top of the scrutinizer. I spoke about the large gap between the mages and the melee. The gap between them is huge!! Runes of Magic has no place now for Crown Control which normally is a mages main function, so if we are gonna have crappy DPS with AOE's that are not needed , what is the point of a mage and why would you recommend a mage to anyone??

Read my post.

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Monday, January 7th 2013, 8:20pm

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Like I stated earlier, being a top DPS class and being completely viable are two completely different things. Until people get that into their heads they will continue to cry. Why have some S/R not give up on Scout and play R/S? Because they are aware that they are still viable and that they do NOT have to be the top of the scrutinizer.


^^ Best point in the thread.

I stopped playing mage in chapter 3. I have a mage alt to do some farming, but that's about it. Having played mage for 3 chapters, I will not recommend playing a mage to anyone because of the insanely retarded magical damage formula in the game. Physical damage formula is very linear and very predictable. Magical damage formula is anything but linear and predictable.

Having said that, Firetruck nails it. The game is not about being at the top of the scrutinizer. End game is about team work. S/Rs have lower dps than mages, yet they fill a very important role - great combo for running boss strategies while doing solid sustained dps. The game has bosses designed for range dps. Mage is a top range dps class. Every end game team needs to have range dps covered.

Mage is an easy class to start and level. Mage class gets harder to play the closer you get to the end game. In the end game, mage is one of the most expensive classes to gear. Today, mages are in a much better position than they were in Chapter 3. M/W/Wd is one of the best combos in the game now. If you want to complain about mages, I have many scouts, knights and warriors you should talk to. Scouts, knights, and warriors are the ones who got shafted atm.

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Monday, January 7th 2013, 8:26pm

Thank you Tyrr. Sorry Jada28, but you will not find a single endgamer from Reni that can relate to you. We have had excellent mages that have done competitive DPS throughout Chapter 4 and 5. Those that run endgame content in Reni knows this, that's why you don't see posts like this come from Reni players. They are aware that it is being done on the server, even if they are not the ones doing it.
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Monday, January 7th 2013, 10:30pm

Why you say you like playing mage and want to play it and yet you play p/s in SW? IF you like mage play SW on m/p and even p/s will run away from you if you know how to play it good. and About pve you think you will do good damage with puppet queen or whatever you have while rogues have dim lights ? get better weapon stat up and you will be doing a ton more DPS.

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Monday, January 7th 2013, 10:46pm

I totally agree. I have the best staff in the game t10 +16 with amazing runes and over 70k mattack and i was behind by millions every boss when I ran RT with one. It's pathetic. Oh yes I'm a M/WL.
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