Runes of Magic US / AU

Quoted from "zidlef;585835"

Well we have a few morons that came back to Reni, buying diamonds in WC for 35K and putting them up for 70K on AH right after.

Quoted from "Inferiority;585839"

How exactly did they manage to do this?

Quoted from "YomanROM;585842"

*puts on his captain obvious cape*

by buying from people who were willing to sell for 35k and finding some dumbasses who were dumb enough to buy from AH for 70k i suppose.

No, I mean how exactly do you sell the diamonds in World Chat? There is no way to transfer diamonds from one account to another for this re-selling via the AH to occur.

Quoted from "Inferiority;585866"

No, I mean how exactly do you sell the diamonds in World Chat? There is no way to transfer diamonds from one account to another for this re-selling via the AH to occur.

One way to do it is the person with the diamonds gifts the person with the gold the items that they want. The person with the gold transfers payment through mailbox or in person for the items purchased in the Item shop.

or some put 1 gold for 1000 diamonds, send them the gold and they buy the diamonds from the AH, easy and that is how they do it.

& that's just dangerous, zid. lol

You know everyone's gonna look for that 1000 dias for 1 gold in AH now.

Quoted from "ycavan;585876"

& that's just dangerous, zid. lol

You know everyone's gonna look for that 1000 dias for 1 gold in AH now.

See but he is saying to put up 1 gold... you are auctioning 1 gold for the price of 1000 diamonds. Which means anyone wanting that 1 gold, has to pay 1000 diamonds.

good way to pass diamonds from one account to another. That is how people used 27 accounts, 3 diamonds a day, 81 diamonds a day. They let it build up and then transfer to their main character.


Aka the diamond npc became a way people could get cheap diamonds at 3 for 80k, now they are mad that they actually have to buy them for the price everyone else does or actually pay RL money.

The removal of Cedrick has made me take a second look at how i spend my diamonds and how much I'll sell them for.

I am fortunate enough in life to be able to buy a $10 zeevex card regularly "weekly or so". Since RoM is my hobby my wife really doesnt have a problem with this. I used to sell Adv packs for 1.5 mill and diamonds at 45K per. I would use that to fund my gearing up. "since my guild is not capable of running hard modes of anything i would want".
Since the prices on Reni are a little crazy for gear
100 mil + for unstatted Shackles
100 mil + for Jugg capes ect. "UD none the less"
ect ect ect.
I can't justify selling my diamonds at 45K anymore. I'd rather just hold onto them. Since even with selling diamonds regularly that type of gear is priced out of my range. Im also keeping Adv packs these days. Since 1.5 mil is only 1/5th of a single stat "seem to range between 6-10 mil per for mage stats on Reni"

I'm not knocking end game players. They have the right to selll gear for whatever they deem profitable. They got the drop, and since most of us will never know what work and cost goes into it I am sure they are selling for what they consider a fair price to be.

Im just saying as someone who used to sell diamonds weekly the market has priced me out of the game.

what you are saying is exactly what i have been saying. I do the same you do. I figure my gf and i play so any other game is 15 bucks a month, we would usually have 3 accounts at least, so as long as we are spending about 50 bucks a month i think that is a fair amount to put in the game. I sell diamonds here and there and the lowest i have gone is 50k on Artemis. We farm the games and sell stats (mostly just pushers cause we get tons) and other gear that we get.

Just she and i can run KBN easy with no other help so we get lots of pusher stats to sell, X stats to sell, and good mems between that and our ability on most of our chars to do GCE. Everything below that in gear we sell and we make sure we price it at what we think is fair. We dont think, "ok we put X number of dollars into your tank, our healer and our dps, so we need to sell gear for y". That is the main endgamer arguement, which i think is flawed in one aspect. They geared up so THEY could run the instance and get the gear THEY wanted, with the stats THEY wanted. Afterwards they think to sell the extras and think that they should sell it for nuts prices cause "it cost them". I, in no way, pass my costs to run things on in my sales.

I believe this game is a good game and needs to keep going. The prices of gear for people to gear up is nuts. You hit the nail on the head, you think about the RL $$ it costs to buy the stuff and go "nah not worth it". The more people that do that the less players will continue to play and the more dwindling playerbase we will have. People with limited amounts for games, wont like thinking that money wont get them anything.

Hey if everyone gets KBN easy gear, stat them with remain, wilderness, Glorious etc, you will have more than enough to run Tosh and GCH since the people who did it before only got hero's and crimson's and GC gear. We did GCH up to Hat and rabbits and had a blast, we didn't do the other one after, siege was up. But hell for a failed guild and failed players, we did pretty damn good. Get people geared, don't spend 100M a piece of gear, be patient, TP TP TP and learn your class and have fun with it.

Word of the wise, do not bring people with green or blue gear and unstatted in there no matter what loll, it will not end well ;-)

HAVE FUN!!!

lol wanna donate a tank to TheChosen Ziddy Thechosen is a great guild and I'm never leaving, but we cant run it with all mages and clerics

But we do run KBNE "cleared it" GCE "cleared it" and are having fun wiping in Tosh while we learn the fights.

I believe as a guild we will eventually get there, but its a choice on how I play the economy game that im speaking specifically about.

My version of upgrading now consists of farming mems and shells. Selling or trading for stats I need and using drop gear to upgrade my older gear. but i used to be able to pick that gear/stat up in the AH. These days I simply can't afford to.

I believe its a teeter totter effect.
the less diamonds sellers availble the higher the prices.
the higher the prices the less diamond sellers available.

Well if you know me on RENI or just find the big green giant rabbit head anytime, we do instances with anyone who wants to help and is not greedy. Everyone need for their own class and greed everything else. If 120 OD piece drops super rare, i don't care same rules apply, even if you could sell it for 300M. As long as people know this and have fun, it's all good with us. To make the server better and improve it, greed as to stop.

Work together and create lasting friendship, not just for one piece of gear. I love Bacon, Beer and our Canadian Beavers, HELL YA!!!!! 3 B's all the way baby!!!!!

Don't mind me i'm just DISTURBED!!!! going back to my Igloo to eat my blubber ;-( mouhahahaha

Quoted from "saum02;585885"

lol wanna donate a tank to TheChosen Ziddy Thechosen is a great guild and I'm never leaving, but we cant run it with all mages and clerics

But we do run KBNE "cleared it" GCE "cleared it" and are having fun wiping in Tosh while we learn the fights.

I believe as a guild we will eventually get there, but its a choice on how I play the economy game that im speaking specifically about.

My version of upgrading now consists of farming mems and shells. Selling or trading for stats I need and using drop gear to upgrade my older gear. but i used to be able to pick that gear/stat up in the AH. These days I simply can't afford to.

I believe its a teeter totter effect.
the less diamonds sellers availble the higher the prices.
the higher the prices the less diamond sellers available.

Diamond prices *are* getting somewhat ridiculous, but I don't really mind. You can sell your diamonds for what you want to sell them for, and we'll sell endgame gear for what we want to sell it for.

And anyone who complains about gear prices... go run it yourself. Runewaker even made it *ridiculously* easy to gear up now. You have access to soooo much better than we did. You have shell stats, near free hero stats, eoj, mementos. You know what we had to run GCH? Temple/Tomb stats. Hell, I started doing GCH with 3 imprisonment stats on some pieces.

Bangs is a perfect example... running tosh and contributing with imprisonment statted gear. Gearing up is so easy these days, that there really isn't much of a reason that *everyone* can't get to at least ToSh ready anymore. KBH is the real challenge these days, and even the first boss in that instance is easy as hell to farm the heck out of and drops something for every class. (Except warriors.. poor warriors :/ No str/pa on first)

Amen to Borella ;-) run it, gear it and kill it!!!!!!! easy enough

Quoted from "Borella;585942"

Diamond prices *are* getting somewhat ridiculous, but I don't really mind. You can sell your diamonds for what you want to sell them for, and we'll sell endgame gear for what we want to sell it for.

And anyone who complains about gear prices... go run it yourself. Runewaker even made it *ridiculously* easy to gear up now. You have access to soooo much better than we did. You have shell stats, near free hero stats, eoj, mementos. You know what we had to run GCH? Temple/Tomb stats. Hell, I started doing GCH with 3 imprisonment stats on some pieces.

Bangs is a perfect example... running tosh and contributing with imprisonment statted gear. Gearing up is so easy these days, that there really isn't much of a reason that *everyone* can't get to at least ToSh ready anymore. KBH is the real challenge these days, and even the first boss in that instance is easy as hell to farm the heck out of and drops something for every class. (Except warriors.. poor warriors :/ No str/pa on first)

Diamond sellers could say the same thing... You want diamonds and think the price is getting ridiculous? Crack your wallet and spend your money.

Anyone who complains about diamond prices.... can spend their own money. Gameforge has made it as unattractive to buy diamonds and then sell them as they could have. People are making less RL money thanks to the economy, so having money to spend on a game is less common. Not to mention the allure of then reselling the diamonds. You know what most people have to do to keep their jobs and make enough to take care of their family and THEN buy diamonds to sell to you?

See you can take what you said and flip it around. Difference being: Gear buyers dont come and cry to the forums as much as diamond buyers. So yeah people like me who spend money on diamonds and sell them do get tired of seeing posts about people wanting to give us less money for our diamonds, while endgamers dont have to see thread after thread after thread of people whining about the prices of diamonds.

Edit: and before you try to say this is one of few threads... Every diamond price thread, every "bring back our cheap diamond NPC", give us AH for diamonds to reduce diamond prices, etc etc all are about trying to get people who spend RL money to get less gold for their buck.

also i am gonna cut it off at the pass and say that if you come back and say "people do make threads about gear prices IG" please link it dont just claim it.

Quoted from "Dkjester;585966"

So yeah people like me who spend money on diamonds and sell them do get tired of seeing posts about people wanting to give us less money for our diamonds, while endgamers dont have to see thread after thread after thread of people whining about the prices of diamonds.

also i am gonna cut it off at the pass and say that if you come back and say "people do make threads about gear prices IG" please link it dont just claim it.

Most likely lost in the forums thread deletion. Those were very old. Nobody got anywhere, since nobody ever figured out a good counter arguement to "if you don't like our price, go farm it yourself".

Also, its natural that there will be more complaints about diamond prices. Nobody can gear without diamonds, but you don't need KBNH gear as badly. RoM's remaining population either learned to live without KBN-H gear, or they didn't, and quitted.

Biggest problem I see with RoM:
Dias sellers: This gear is too expensive, we need to sell dias for more gold.
Gear sellers: Wow, diamond prices going up, I need to sell gear for more then!

Rinse and repeat, and everyone suffers...

Quoted from "ruisen2000;585967"

Most likely lost in the forums thread deletion. Those were very old. Nobody got anywhere, since nobody ever figured out a good counter arguement to "if you don't like our price, go farm it yourself".

Also, its natural that there will be more complaints about diamond prices. Nobody can gear without diamonds, but you don't need KBNH gear as badly. RoM's remaining population either learned to live without KBN-H gear, or they didn't, and quitted.

Biggest problem I see with RoM:
Dias sellers: This gear is too expensive, we need to sell dias for more gold.
Gear sellers: Wow, diamond prices going up, I need to sell gear for more then!

Rinse and repeat, and everyone suffers...

Well the response to "if you dont like our price, go farm it" is "if you dont like the diamond price go spend YOUR money. RL money has more value then time. Especially in a recession/depression. People are underemployed and barely making enough for their family. That makes every dollar more valueable then a few hours of farming. That drives more people to not want to buy diamonds. THAT is a major driving factor.

Well if you cant gear without diamonds... go spend some money and get them. Far easier to acquire diamonds then it is to aquire gear. That is the point everyone makes. So if it is easier to get the diamonds then why are more people complaining about their ability to skip the easiest way to get them? Dont tell me these people cant afford 10-20 bucks a month for Rom. Heck if you wanna have all the plussed gear etc... you should be willing to put at LEAST as much in the game as a normal P2P. If you still think, "it says F2P, so ill cry on the forums about anything that makes it harder for me to be F2P", then maybe it is time to move to another game.

Personally i would love to see what all the whiners about diamond prices would do if all diamond sellers decided to, not sell diamonds at a high price, but not sell them at all. Cut you little whiners off entirely and see you all start being willing to pay ANYTHING for them to avoid having to spend your own RL money. Maybe then you will realize how much RL money is more important then IG gear and why they ask more for their diamond.

Quit trying to take money out of Roms pocket... cause hey when the game shuts down you all will know your actions helped contribute.

if they changed the format of the ah to not be less then a fair amount the npc was selling them for then they wouldn't have taken out the diamond npc! Who plays this game anyway? The guild real world is recruiting pst me for invite.

the only thing the diamond npc did was give a positive way to look at the rom economy and brought a small amount of fair balancing to the game even though all of that won't buy endgame gear and there is no longer a diamond npc.

These people that want it to be easier to be big geared and not have to spend money, i really pose you ONE question. No one has ever answered it. So i would like to see ONE response that makes sense.

You dont want to spend RL money. You want the game to be easier for you to spend no money. The easier it becomes the more people will not spend money. What happens when EVERYONE follows that system. Who will you buy diamonds from if everyone is playing without paying? WHen no one is paying, how long will the game last?

No one answers it, cause the answer is simple. The answer is you want it easier for YOU, but not everyone else. You still want people buying diamonds, but you want it easier for YOU not to spend money. YOU think you are entitled to not having to pay. At the end of the day you dont want it to be easy enough for everyone, cause you know then you wont have diamonds to buy. The real reason diamonds are so expensive is cause the number of people spending money is falling like a rock as people quit, people get tired of spending money, and more people try to find ways to avoid spending.

And really if you dont like it and you quit. Well really from a business standpoint you arent spending money keeping the game alive. Yea maybe it will mean there arent as many endgamers (not like there is many now), and less people running endgame instances (yea not many now). However, maybe then when the people playing slowly progess their way to the point they can run it, they wont try to use the people coming after them to avoid keeping the servers running.

I agree with DKjester, people complain about high AH prices, diamond prices etc. I gear up with what i can get and get my own diamonds. People instead of just getting to level 75 and hoping for handouts all the time, learn to play the game, class and quests. You wanna be endgame, it doesn't mean only to be level 75, level 75 is easy, TP TP TP, don't have it, don't know how to play your class, you are worthless to any guild.

I have 220M TP on Knight, 130M TP on priest and 75M TP on scout, i'm level 75/75/75 and i still lack TP. I do dailies, daily reset tickets and farm TP. I know how many hammers you need to run hardmode stuff and it's no fun paying for those.

The game becomes F2P when you can run hardmode stuff and sell stuff, until then stop the QQ. You can start crafting but most people have no clue how long and what it takes to do it, then they say it's not worth it, takes too much time. I survived on it ;-).

This game wasn't meant to be endgame in a week on double XP weekends, it doesn't work that way. Unless you have a few thousand dollars to spend on it and go round and round doing dailies , loll.

Gameforge does need money to keep the game alive ;-( but that is how it is, company = make money, altought support should get a revamp or more help and actually play the game to understand our frustration from time to time ;-)

TYVM