Runes of Magic US / AU

Quoted from "zidlef;585999"

I agree with DKjester, people complain about high AH prices, diamond prices etc. I gear up with what i can get and get my own diamonds. People instead of just getting to level 75 and hoping for handouts all the time, learn to play the game, class and quests. You wanna be endgame, it doesn't mean only to be level 75, level 75 is easy, TP TP TP, don't have it, don't know how to play your class, you are worthless to any guild.

I have 220M TP on Knight, 130M TP on priest and 75M TP on scout, i'm level 75/75/75 and i still lack TP. I do dailies, daily reset tickets and farm TP. I know how many hammers you need to run hardmode stuff and it's no fun paying for those.

The game becomes F2P when you can run hardmode stuff and sell stuff, until then stop the QQ. You can start crafting but most people have no clue how long and what it takes to do it, then they say it's not worth it, takes too much time. I survived on it ;-).

This game wasn't meant to be endgame in a week on double XP weekends, it doesn't work that way. Unless you have a few thousand dollars to spend on it and go round and round doing dailies , loll.

Gameforge does need money to keep the game alive ;-( but that is how it is, company = make money, altought support should get a revamp or more help and actually play the game to understand our frustration from time to time ;-)

TYVM

yeah and i hope no one thinks that i believe Gameforge doesnt have work to do. I think a buncha things could make people more open to spending money. Like removing the fail rate of plussing gems. That is probably one of the only things that makes me mad when i spend money. I can spend money and then get nothing from it cause of fails. Raise the price on them a little, make them stacks of 5 for the same price and then remove the fail rate on them. I think endgamers can agree with that. I really think that is probably the thing that all of us agree can make us REEEEEE at the screen and it causes us to have to buy more and more and more and it is like gambling.

re: no fail plussing jewels

I think Froggie experimented with that a while back... they sold perfects in stacks of 3 or so for some price, but they never did that again. lol

Quoted from "Dkjester;585964"

Diamond sellers could say the same thing... You want diamonds and think the price is getting ridiculous? Crack your wallet and spend your money.

Anyone who complains about diamond prices.... can spend their own money. Gameforge has made it as unattractive to buy diamonds and then sell them as they could have. People are making less RL money thanks to the economy, so having money to spend on a game is less common. Not to mention the allure of then reselling the diamonds. You know what most people have to do to keep their jobs and make enough to take care of their family and THEN buy diamonds to sell to you?

Borella already stated that he doesn't mind. Put dias up for what you believe is right. The rest of your wall of text is a bit redundant given Borella shares your same view.

Quoted from "Dkjester;585997"

These people that want it to be easier to be big geared and not have to spend money, i really pose you ONE question. No one has ever answered it. So i would like to see ONE response that makes sense.

You dont want to spend RL money. You want the game to be easier for you to spend no money. The easier it becomes the more people will not spend money. What happens when EVERYONE follows that system. Who will you buy diamonds from if everyone is playing without paying? WHen no one is paying, how long will the game last?

No one answers it, cause the answer is simple. The answer is you want it easier for YOU, but not everyone else. You still want people buying diamonds, but you want it easier for YOU not to spend money. YOU think you are entitled to not having to pay. At the end of the day you dont want it to be easy enough for everyone, cause you know then you wont have diamonds to buy. The real reason diamonds are so expensive is cause the number of people spending money is falling like a rock as people quit, people get tired of spending money, and more people try to find ways to avoid spending.

And really if you dont like it and you quit. Well really from a business standpoint you arent spending money keeping the game alive. Yea maybe it will mean there arent as many endgamers (not like there is many now), and less people running endgame instances (yea not many now). However, maybe then when the people playing slowly progess their way to the point they can run it, they wont try to use the people coming after them to avoid keeping the servers running.

There will never, ever, be a time when "no one is paying," unless the game is about to be shut down. If that is the case, there is no point or argument to make about anything, as it would all soon be moot. As long as there are new players, or lesser geared players striving to be better and willing to pull out their wallets, there will always be payers.

From a business standpoint, sure end gamers who are f2p (not all end gamers are f2p, get that out of your head now) don't generate revenue directly, but they are indeed the catalyst that keeps other players buying. I've known MANY people who I've "influenced" to by dias via an item I have that they want, or a gold amount that I'm willing to pay, and they're willing to buy for. I'll reiterate. We don't produce real revenue directly - but our actions, what we can obtain, and what we can run (which also creates a demand for dia buying in the first place) is what makes end gamers money. Everyone who is end game needs end game gear---->dias from Gameforge---->profit for Gameforge.

Heres my standpoint: I love dia buyers. I will cut them deals on my own personal selling gear in HOPES that they MIGHT return the favor in the future. Without end gamers, demand for dias goes down, as well as accessibility of gear. Think 100m is too much? Try not having the item available at all, and costing however much it takes to gear a 12 man raid to get that 1 piece of gear.
-But at the same time, I WILL pull from my end of the rope from my vantage point - end game gear. What gives me the right? My time spent acquiring. Time=money. My time, your money ultimately = Gameforge's money.

In the end, Gameforge doesn't care WHY you bought the diamonds. They only care that you bought them, for whatever reason. That avenue that pushed you to open your wallet is a source of revenue for them. That is the ultimately the end of the line, anything before/in between/after is irrelevant to them.

Now, to clarify, I *do* have a problem with dias going up. LET ME MAKE THIS CLEAR. I DO NOT BLAME THE DIA BUYERS. I blame ---> people who buy @35k, and resell for 70k. They never opened their wallets. They don't spend that real life time to buy, with that real life money, diamonds for the game. What they are doing is manipulating the economy, taking advantage of the relationship with the dia demand of in-game players and real life diamond buyers, for their own selfish in-game profit. And sadly, people do not see that. End gamers will blame diamond prices going up for gear value going up. Diamond buyers will blame gear value for their diamonds going up in price. When no one but a couple of individuals are actually taking advantage of both sides.

It is sad how a couple of individuals on our server (~1-3 people) can have such a negative effect on our dia trade/gear pricing. I do hope, once people realize who they are, that they would stop feeding the greed, and only sell to those who actually *use* the diamonds, rather than the ones who buy low, and resell for higher.

Quoted from "Ravesden;586040"

It is sad how a couple of individuals on our server (~1-3 people) can have such a negative effect on our dia trade/gear pricing. I do hope, once people realize who they are, that they would stop feeding the greed, and only sell to those who actually *use* the diamonds, rather than the ones who buy low, and resell for higher.

I wish but that will never happen as a diamond seller( guy that opens my wallet to buy gear from others/which is what I prefer ). I see what is going on and know that a certain individual is buying diamonds around 40 to 50k each and relisting them for 70k each.

You do know that it will not be long before all us diamond sellers start setting our prices to be equivalent to his prices. Not because gear prices are going up but because we see people are willing to pay that much, and the heck if we want someone else making the most out of our cash/diamonds.

100k per diamond days are on the way for Reni.

Also Ravesden I still have to make good on my word about cutting you a price break on diamonds from a few months back when you sold me the entire Lekani ( tosh scout gear ) set for pretty much 39diamonds each exclude the chest I paid around 30mill for that which I was still happy with.

Thing is about gear when you see for instance atm on our server an arbitrator of fate on the AH for 110mill( roughly equates to 80 USD with diamonds being 70k each). Myself this is not justifiable purchase the staff is not plussd/OD/drilled, zero effort outside of the cost of an ABL. Think these type of items being priced in such a fashion also impacts on how I price my diamonds. We all want to get the most for our money/time.

Ravens-- I didnt reply with quote to not have the need for that all to come up twice but.....

He didnt Agree with me since he said the price is getting ridiculous, which means he DOESNT agree with me. It just means that he probably realizes there is no need to try to fight it. There is a difference there, so my wall of text which you claim as "redundant" because his over all feeling is that it is "ridiculous" to which i made my post to show how "ridiculous" the other side of the coin is as well. Since i agree with him that he can sell his gear for what he wants i could then argue his post was "redundant" however i know he was making a point, just like me, so neither is "redundant".

Next point, you are right the game will be shut down when no one is buying. DING DING DING that is what i am saying! They will shut the game down LONG before everyone is F2P. Indirectly, you proved my point for me. However, i was using the extreme case to prove a point. As more people go F2P and want to be F2P and less are buying the server will shut down. If you didnt get that my example was using the extreme case to prove that point... i am sorry you missed it.

Ok now on to your "Think 100m is too much? Try not having the item available at all". Your right, but hey You think 55k is too much for a diamond, how would you feel if there wasnt any at all? See there is two sides to every coin. AGAIN, the difference is, posts are continued to be made in hopes Gameforge will do something to help one side of the coin and not the other. Gear buyers/Diamond sellers arent coming here making thread after thread about "give us back our way to get diamonds cheaper!"

You will pull from your end and diamond buyers who goes to work spends time there dealing with what they have to deal with will then sell their diamonds for what they want. People continuing to make posts to try to change that want and behavior and then taking offense when someone flips the coin on them is a true sign of their wants/intents.

Do what you want. Sure fine. But then dont continue to support people starting threads about how people who buy diamonds should sell them to you cheaper. That is their right to do what they want. Lets not have two standards, one will do just fine.

Kakita01 is right, the RL dollar amount for each item drives me not to want to buy any item from these people and soon they will find if they dont come down on their prices they wont have enough gold to afford the diamonds they want. So you can pull on "your end of the rope", but as long as people see how much RL money it costs to buy a 110 mil staff, you wont sell it. Meaning you wont have the gold to buy the diamonds, which you then think is overpriced cause you cant make the gold you want off of items people wont buy. Which side of the "rope" do you think will break first?

This is why i urge EVERY diamond buyer i know to not budge on their prices. Gameforge shouldnt cater to the F2P and try to put things in place to make their PAYING customers get less bang for their buck. That means these people will get starved out eventually and rightfully so.

We will do another post for this part of it Raven to split it up.

You are right it sucks that people are doing that. However, if they have the gold to make more gold. What is the difference from buying a piece of gear and then reselling it for higher at a later time or immediately? There is no difference. While it is not a good thing for someone to do.... It is no worse then reselling gear/stats/crafted items, etc. Just like buying Egg Rice dumplings when someone has them cheap, then waiting till there is more market then supply and make money.

Quoted from "Dkjester;586054"

Ravens-- I didnt reply with quote to not have the need for that all to come up twice but.....

He didnt Agree with me since he said the price is getting ridiculous, which means he DOESNT agree with me. It just means that he probably realizes there is no need to try to fight it. There is a difference there, so my wall of text which you claim as "redundant" because his over all feeling is that it is "ridiculous" to which i made my post to show how "ridiculous" the other side of the coin is as well. Since i agree with him that he can sell his gear for what he wants i could then argue his post was "redundant" however i know he was making a point, just like me, so neither is "redundant".

Next point, you are right the game will be shut down when no one is buying. DING DING DING that is what i am saying! They will shut the game down LONG before everyone is F2P. Indirectly, you proved my point for me. However, i was using the extreme case to prove a point. As more people go F2P and want to be F2P and less are buying the server will shut down. If you didnt get that my example was using the extreme case to prove that point... i am sorry you missed it.

Ok now on to your "Think 100m is too much? Try not having the item available at all". Your right, but hey You think 55k is too much for a diamond, how would you feel if there wasnt any at all? See there is two sides to every coin. AGAIN, the difference is, posts are continued to be made in hopes Gameforge will do something to help one side of the coin and not the other. Gear buyers/Diamond sellers arent coming here making thread after thread about "give us back our way to get diamonds cheaper!"

You will pull from your end and diamond buyers who goes to work spends time there dealing with what they have to deal with will then sell their diamonds for what they want. People continuing to make posts to try to change that want and behavior and then taking offense when someone flips the coin on them is a true sign of their wants/intents.

Do what you want. Sure fine. But then dont continue to support people starting threads about how people who buy diamonds should sell them to you cheaper. That is their right to do what they want. Lets not have two standards, one will do just fine.

Kakita01 is right, the RL dollar amount for each item drives me not to want to buy any item from these people and soon they will find if they dont come down on their prices they wont have enough gold to afford the diamonds they want. So you can pull on "your end of the rope", but as long as people see how much RL money it costs to buy a 110 mil staff, you wont sell it. Meaning you wont have the gold to buy the diamonds, which you then think is overpriced cause you cant make the gold you want off of items people wont buy. Which side of the "rope" do you think will break first?

This is why i urge EVERY diamond buyer i know to not budge on their prices. Gameforge shouldnt cater to the F2P and try to put things in place to make their PAYING customers get less bang for their buck. That means these people will get starved out eventually and rightfully so.

Got my best jean-luc face palm going on after making the mistake of reading this post. There really isn't any words just sighed resignation, the price we pay for freedom of speech I suppose.

Quoted from "kakita01;586046"

Thing is about gear when you see for instance atm on our server an arbitrator of fate on the AH for 110mill( roughly equates to 80 USD with diamonds being 70k each). Myself this is not justifiable purchase the staff is not plussd/OD/drilled, zero effort outside of the cost of an ABL. Think these type of items being priced in such a fashion also impacts on how I price my diamonds. We all want to get the most for our money/time.

That's pretty much where I'm at. Except on Govinda the USD value is closer to $100, not $80. Its hard to take anyone serious that compares an actual job, to them sitting on a computer playing a game they enjoy.

Whether you are adding in all the time it took you to level to 75, join a guild, gear up, get a progression group and putting that in to your end-game drops final price. Or if you are "splitting the profit" between the entire progression group. To throw that into the price to try to justify an untiered/underdura/unplussed/not rune slotted weapon costing $100+ is ridiculous.

I decided to go F2P when an easy to play market for stats (EOJ) came into being, the ones I don't need sell for enough to supply for the purie I need for the stats I want. Often times the junk ones can be sold for just over the price of the purie needed to turn them into a mana stone, yielding small profit, but a profit all the same.

Simple way to do it, do the demonstration daily a bajillion times, then when you're ready to cash in, do the arrow quest once and then go claim your booty. It's not uncommon for me to make upwards of 25m a day and that's selling at VERY low prices. Stam/Patk Dragon Wilderness for 5m each, Stam/def for 4m.

Now paying for plussing, that's a whole different matter.

Quoted from "northend;586057"

Got my best jean-luc face palm going on after making the mistake of reading this post. There really isn't any words just sighed resignation, the price we pay for freedom of speech I suppose.

/attempt to make a cool statement

fail

repeat.

Quoted from "Dkjester;586054"

[COLOR=white !important]He didnt Agree with me since he said the price is getting ridiculous, which means he DOESNT agree with me. It just means that he probably realizes there is no need to try to fight it. There is a difference there, so my wall of text which you claim as "redundant" because his over all feeling is that it is "ridiculous" to which i made my post to show how "ridiculous" the other side of the coin is as well. Since i agree with him that he can sell his gear for what he wants i could then argue his post was "redundant" however i know he was making a point, just like me, so neither is "redundant".[/COLOR]

Going into he said/she said crap. I don't play that. My point was made, and still stands. It's ok to be wrong.

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[COLOR=white !important]Ok now on to your "Think 100m is too much? Try not having the item available at all". Your right, but hey You think 55k is too much for a diamond, how would you feel if there wasnt any at all? See there is two sides to every coin. AGAIN, the difference is, posts are continued to be made in hopes Gameforge will do something to help one side of the coin and not the other. Gear buyers/Diamond sellers arent coming here making thread after thread about "give us back our way to get diamonds cheaper!" [/COLOR]

People will always buy diamonds until the game dies. You can't link people not buying diamonds--->cost of gear. People don't buy diamonds because 1) The amount of dia per dollar ratio is too pricey. 2) Sales suck. 3) Gameforge sucks.

Gear being pricey is way down the list of reasons why people stop buying diamonds. Its silly to think otherwise.

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[COLOR=white !important]You will pull from your end and diamond buyers who goes to work spends time there dealing with what they have to deal with will then sell their diamonds for what they want. People continuing to make posts to try to change that want and behavior and then taking offense when someone flips the coin on them is a true sign of their wants/intents.

Do what you want. Sure fine. But then dont continue to support people starting threads about how people who buy diamonds should sell them to you cheaper. That is their right to do what they want. Lets not have two standards, one will do just fine. [/COLOR]

I have no problem with you selling dias at whatever price you want. If I see pricey diamonds - I don't buy them. There will always be someone selling cheaper at a price I believe is fair. Never once had I had a problem otherwise.

Just like if you see pricey gear - don't buy it. But know this - we're not hurting on sales. People are buying the gear. Just because *you* can't afford it, doesn't mean others can't. And they do afford it. I remember some complaining about a 110 dura hard mode mage chest that we had up for 500mil. People were saying no one would buy it at that price - within the week, it sold.

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[COLOR=white !important]Kakita01 is right, the RL dollar amount for each item drives me not to want to buy any item from these people and soon they will find if they dont come down on their prices they wont have enough gold to afford the diamonds they want. So you can pull on "your end of the rope", but as long as people see how much RL money it costs to buy a 110 mil staff, you wont sell it. Meaning you wont have the gold to buy the diamonds, which you then think is overpriced cause you cant make the gold you want off of items people wont buy. Which side of the "rope" do you think will break first? [/COLOR]

Haven't had a problem selling yet. The rope is just fine.

A little bit of an overview of our situation:
-*You* can't afford it.
- Other people can, and they buy.
- We aim for the people who can buy, and price in their range.
- You don't buy.
- Someone else does.
- You don't have the gear.
- Someone else has the gear.
- And it makes no difference to me who gets it. I still get gold.

Ever since I became end game (and before), its been the same as above. The only thing that forces prices down is competition. Last I heard outside of Heretic the farthest boss any guild was progression-wise was downing boss 2. Which sometimes we farm pugs to do anyways.

So goodluck to you and your dia prices. Sorry to be so blunt with you, but thats how it is.

i'm still missing the part where the only way to get any gold in this game is to sell diamonds for whatever amount because i only see "thats 110M gold thats 80$ !!!!!1111" - or to buy gear directly with gold made from diamond sales. The AH price usually is listed in gold, which means there are a gazillion ways to obtain it without spending a dime, but hey "its 80$!!!" (reminds me of "ITS OVER 9000!!!!!!" ...)

Newsflash: if the only thing someone does in game to get gold is buy diamonds with rl money and sell those, it really gets expensive. The same goes for the usual crappy CS sales 99% of the time, even with +100% diamonds and -50% pseudo-rebate, this crap here is still insanely expensive.

Captain Obvious to the resuce.

Quoted from "YomanROM;586102"

i'm still missing the part where the only way to get any gold in this game is to sell diamonds for whatever amount because i only see "thats 110M gold thats 80$ !!!!!1111" - or to buy gear directly with gold made from diamond sales. The AH price usually is listed in gold, which means there are a gazillion ways to obtain it without spending a dime, but hey "its 80$!!!" (reminds me of "ITS OVER 9000!!!!!!" ...)

Made me laugh xD Very true

VVV on reni making progress, they workign on 5th!! :p

Quoted from "Ravesden;586098"

Going into he said/she said crap. I don't play that. My point was made, and still stands. It's ok to be wrong.

Glad you can admit when your wrong. See i can make stupid comments in the attempt to seem intelligent too!

Quoted from "Ravesden;586098"

People will always buy diamonds until the game dies. You can't link people not buying diamonds--->cost of gear. People don't buy diamonds because 1) The amount of dia per dollar ratio is too pricey. 2) Sales suck. 3) Gameforge sucks.

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Then why did you yourself link the amount you sell gear for to diamond sellers in hopes they return the favor? I thought it has nothing to do with the price of gear so why would you do that ? Epic Fail.

Quoted from "Ravesden;586098"

Gear being pricey is way down the list of reasons why people stop buying diamonds. Its silly to think otherwise.

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Really? Where id you come up with this? Your flawed Logic? I wonder how many diamonds you buy with your RL cash? I bet little to none so you are a little biased and you will make statements like this with no proof to back it up just to try to defend you position of wanting to not spend money. It is just coincidence then that when diamonds were sold at 10k a pop gear was 5-20 mil per piece, and now diamonds are 55kish and gear is selling for 30-300 mil. I mean there is no coallation there? Really? How do you explain it then? Answer is there IS a correlation like you admitted. As diamond prices go up, endgamers like you then decide to sell the gear for more. That means there is no way to believe that people would think the opposite? That the more gear is the more they will sell their diamonds for? If you are that inept then this will be my last reply cause i would have a better arguement with a bag full of rocks.... ok just one rock.

Quoted from "Ravesden;586098"

I have no problem with you selling dias at whatever price you want. If I see pricey diamonds - I don't buy them. There will always be someone selling cheaper at a price I believe is fair. Never once had I had a problem otherwise.

Just like if you see pricey gear - don't buy it. But know this - we're not hurting on sales. People are buying the gear. Just because *you* can't afford it, doesn't mean others can't. And they do afford it. I remember some complaining about a 110 dura hard mode mage chest that we had up for 500mil. People were saying no one would buy it at that price - within the week, it sold.

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If you have no problem with it.... why are you still here arguing? Thing is you DO have a problem with the price of diamonds. You may accept it, and sometimes even pay it. That doesnt mean you dont have a problem with it. Why then post on a post about diamond prices at all? I have a problem with the price of gear, especially when people make threads about the price of diamonds complaining. Funny you never addressed the fact that i brought that point up. I guess it is cause you dont have an arguement for it. Cause you know this whole discussion would have never happened..... Had someone not come whining to the forums in hopes to get Gameforge to play "regulatory committee" in game. Player driven economy yet, people want Gameforge to regulate......

Quoted from "Ravesden;586098"

Haven't had a problem selling yet. The rope is just fine.

A little bit of an overview of our situation:
-*You* can't afford it.
- Other people can, and they buy.
- We aim for the people who can buy, and price in their range.
- You don't buy.
- Someone else does.
- You don't have the gear.
- Someone else has the gear.
- And it makes no difference to me who gets it. I still get gold.

Ever since I became end game (and before), its been the same as above. The only thing that forces prices down is competition. Last I heard outside of Heretic the farthest boss any guild was progression-wise was downing boss 2. Which sometimes we farm pugs to do anyways.

So goodluck to you and your dia prices. Sorry to be so blunt with you, but thats how it is.

So you have now said you have no problem selling gear, you have no problem buying diamonds for what you want...... so why are you here arguing?

Just sayin.

If everything was great in your land.... that wouldnt be the case.

I have never seen such flawed logic in responses with a direct agenda. Not worth arguing anymore with someone that keeps contradicting themselves.

And for Yomen, for some people that is the only way they can ever expect to get to 100 mil. What dog meats at 2 mil a stack? then a pusher stat at 1.5 mil? that is a lotta lotta for 100 mil. Oh no wait you think they should just be able to magically be able to run something and get an item to sell for 50 mil right? Where if they are trying to gear up? Newer players dont have the ability. I personally can afford these higher priced items, not from selling diamonds. My gf and i can run the higher instances. I have merely stated that the prices some endgamers want for their stuff is ridiculous. I dont pay them, when i see someone selling something i want for a good price they get it. Like the new healer staff OD, for 15 mil or the new xbow for 40 mil. Just like you all say, you will buy what you want for the price you want. I will too. I just think you guys open you (deleted) when you think your stuff is worth 100 mil.

Edit to put in here for RavenFail: See there, i said and have said i CAN afford the prices. BUt just like in RL just cause you can afford something that is overpriced doesnt mean you should buy it. The fact you made a comment about **ME** not being able to afford it after i have said on this thread i can afford it, i just wont pay it. Shows again your ignorance. Unlike you, i am here arguing for others and not myself. I go around and gear up just fine. I can run what i want to run. Doesnt make it fair to new players to have it be so far out of their reach. As it is far out of their reach they will stop playing and soon RoM will die. Or do you think the current system is working and the Game is flourishing?

If so i got a bridge full of unicorns to sell ya.

Quoted from "Dkjester;586120"

And for Yomen, for some people that is the only way they can ever expect to get to 100 mil. What dog meats at 2 mil a stack? then a pusher stat at 1.5 mil? that is a lotta lotta for 100 mil. Oh no wait you think they should just be able to magically be able to run something and get an item to sell for 50 mil right? Where if they are trying to gear up? Newer players dont have the ability.

Kalin Shrine with drop buffs + a stack or two of dog meat + memento farming in DoD / grafu easy / kbn easy (=> selling OD memento items = $$$$$$ ) + pulling OLDER (Eternity) stats for mementos because they still have the good ones, and on mage stats a 50% chance (2 good stats out of 4 on the item...).

Seriously, what do you except? The time and money people invest in their gear to be able to run all the crap is considered worthless by you and everyone is greedy and on the other hand you complain how hard and expensive it obviously is to gear up to do it without relying on "evil greedy endgamers" because they sell the stuff for sosomuch ... contradiction ftw?

And there are countless ways to get to gold, easily. You just need to DO it.
Selling diamonds for gold is just the fastest and of course the most expensive one.

Quoted from "Dkjester;586120"

Really? Where id you come up with this? Your flawed Logic? I wonder how many diamonds you buy with your RL cash? I bet little to none so you are a little biased and you will make statements like this with no proof to back it up just to try to defend you position of wanting to not spend money. It is just coincidence then that when diamonds were sold at 10k a pop gear was 5-20 mil per piece, and now diamonds are 55kish and gear is selling for 30-300 mil. I mean there is no coallation there? Really? How do you explain it then? Answer is there IS a correlation like you admitted. As diamond prices go up, endgamers like you then decide to sell the gear for more. That means there is no way to believe that people would think the opposite? That the more gear is the more they will sell their diamonds for? If you are that inept then this will be my last reply cause i would have a better arguement with a bag full of rocks.... ok just one rock.

Alright, I know this sentence is extremely long and complicated. I'll try to break it down for you.

Quoted from "Ravesden;586098"

Gear being pricey is way down the list of reasons why people stop buying diamonds. Its silly to think otherwise.

What Raves is saying, is that gear prices do not reflect on the amount of money Gameforge is receiving. The main thing that affects Gameforge's sales, are their Item Shop prices. Diamond prices and Gear prices obviously have a correlation. Everything else about your post is just proving his point. End gamers sell high, diamond sellers will sell high. But Gameforge is still making money off of those buying diamonds. Understanding a sentence before posting a reply may cause one to not look like a bunch of rocks, or perhaps a rock.

Quoted from "YomanROM;586102"

i'm still missing the part where the only way to get any gold in this game is to sell diamonds for whatever amount because i only see "thats 110M gold thats 80$ !!!!!1111" - or to buy gear directly with gold made from diamond sales. The AH price usually is listed in gold, which means there are a gazillion ways to obtain it without spending a dime, but hey "its 80$!!!" (reminds me of "ITS OVER 9000!!!!!!" ...)

Newsflash: if the only thing someone does in game to get gold is buy diamonds with rl money and sell those, it really gets expensive. The same goes for the usual crappy CS sales 99% of the time, even with +100% diamonds and -50% pseudo-rebate, this crap here is still insanely expensive.

Captain Obvious to the resuce.

Funny I never said it was the only way to get gold is by selling diamonds. The whining of this thread is about the price of diamonds and the counter wine is the price of end game gear being listed in the AH.

I make plenty of in game gold no way could I afford to just convert diamonds into gold, to buy gear.

Converting the cost to real life cash gives a better perspective imo.

Just like people that are only looking at the price of diamonds on the AH are silly for complaining about it. Plenty of Diamond trades/sales happen without ever touching the AH. The highest I have ever sold diamonds for was 45k per via AH.

I'm confused how a 100M staff = 80 dollars? Pretty sure $100 is like 6K dias.... at 50K/per you only need 2K to buy a 100M staff. o.o

Yes, I know that's on double diamonds, but really, if you buy on anything but double you're an idiot anyway.

hmmm speaking of which, its been a couple weeks it seems since the last double diamond sale. im thinking were about due heheheh