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Monday, February 4th 2013, 6:06pm

Quoted from "zidlef;587594"

Rustyx you are the most optimistic person playing this game, loll. They have no clue what went wrong and how to fix it.


It is not about being optimistic, it is about working in IT and having some experience with solving IT problems. I can tell stories about how expired security certificate embedded deeply withing LDAP server has disabled logins for over 2 days; or how a broken piece of logic in patient registration system made the system fail intermittently. You know how long it took to fix that one? Over two months. Now, mind you, I understand that registering patients for medical care is far less crucial than having game server up. Still...
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Oh, and people who have more than 3 classes are clinically insane.


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Monday, February 4th 2013, 6:12pm

Quoted from "Jeania;587583"

that's fine, i hope ya'll enjoy siege with a grand total of 5 guilds playing :P


Not saying other servers won't enjoy you. We just don't want you.

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Monday, February 4th 2013, 6:12pm

Pink hat,
I work in IT now. I have never had a problem taking 30 secs every hour or so to update the client on a problem. Even when they are angry that goes along way. Its something my techs & I consider part of support. "even if the client doesnt understand the issue we still tell them the problem" I'm betting your exp was the same. keeping your clients informed is simply part of the job.

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Monday, February 4th 2013, 6:13pm

Quoted from "RoMage;587528"

Sorry, but that just does not make any sense. Announcement that server (any one) is down, expected time when is going to be fixed and short explanation on what is going on would be greatly appreciated. What do you think where people should go to figure out what's going on - on the forum or on the server? After Zid's posts, I would be scared for too many new forum members... :p

Even this is game, you should take your job as business, and I am sure that GF would not appreciate too many unhappy customers. Last time I contacted them, they disagreed with (then Frogster EU) support decision, wonder, should we contact them again and ask them if this is the way customers should be treated?!

Wont matter I tried via FB and all I got is please contact RoM game support

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Monday, February 4th 2013, 6:19pm

Quoted from "Cernunna;587557"

Actually, effervescent, I didn't state that we found out about the servers being down at 22.00 (the link I am referring too is not a Gameforge one, but a general one - it was just to give a point on the situation). Sorry if I was unclear on that.

Actually, on the contrary, what I was pointing out when I said "Sunday night" is that by the time the reports got to us (the first reports I got through Mentors were at 03:22 AM, Berlin time), people were sleeping - so there was nothing else to do than wait for the morning to come.

Yes, time zones don't help, I think we all agree on this. I was just trying to explain - not excuse - the delay in the first announcements (which seems to be one of the most most recurring compaints about this situation, and rightly so).

EDIT: I forgot to state one important thing: as with all mistakes, there are lessons to be made and we have already proceeded to some changes in order to avoid this kind of situation in the future.

So your saying it took the mentors over 3 hours to report this issue to you?

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Monday, February 4th 2013, 6:23pm

Quoted from "saum02;587602"

Pink hat,
I work in IT now. I have never had a problem taking 30 secs every hour or so to update the client on a problem. Even when they are angry that goes along way. Its something my techs & I consider part of support. "even if the client doesnt understand the issue we still tell them the problem" I'm betting your exp was the same. keeping your clients informed is simply part of the job.


Usually 30 seconds update is one sentence of "still looking at it" type. To do a good write-up takes about 20 minutes.

And what to say depends on client, the point I made several times. Client misunderstanding the problem is often less desirable outcome than client being basically told "we are working on it"; so you have to judge the cluelessness level of the client before you volunteer any information.

Sure, I can explain the issue to someone who understands the basics in one or two minutes, but that person has to be a techie, which clients are not. Once you exceed that time, status updates becomes counterproductive, because you have to spend so much time explaining things.
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Oh, and people who have more than 3 classes are clinically insane.


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Monday, February 4th 2013, 6:26pm

Quoted from "spazx;587579"

well since the servers are down maybe you guys can actually solve all the tickets you have?? that could be something to work on also.



OMG ..... if they do that it could be months before the games back up and running!!!!

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Monday, February 4th 2013, 6:30pm

Quoted from "Alecvisable;587592"

Yep, You guys wont see the servers up for about a week lol.


Heck could be as long as it takes them to fix broken quest lines.....Glad I found a new game

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Monday, February 4th 2013, 6:34pm

Quoted from "vfwiffo;587600"

It is not about being optimistic, it is about working in IT and having some experience with solving IT problems. I can tell stories about how expired security certificate embedded deeply withing LDAP server has disabled logins for over 2 days; or how a broken piece of logic in patient registration system made the system fail intermittently. You know how long it took to fix that one? Over two months. Now, mind you, I understand that registering patients for medical care is far less crucial than having game server up. Still...


What? No! RUNES OF MAGIC MEANS EVERYTHING. I REFUSE TO GO OUTSIDE.

vfwiffo, people don't bother to consider that GF staff are actually people too because clearly everyone on these forums are engineerings, lawyers, rocket scientists and super techies.

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Monday, February 4th 2013, 6:35pm

If im going to post what C posted, basucally informing my clients that their product will be unavailable for 24 hours or more....

I think a little more than a "Were working on it" post is going to be required.

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Monday, February 4th 2013, 6:36pm

Quoted from "CharlieBananas;587601"

Not saying other servers won't enjoy you. We just don't want you.


Lets all go to Artemis......After all just because they dont want us doesnt mean we dont want them

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Monday, February 4th 2013, 6:37pm

Quoted from "mrmisterwaa;587612"

What? No! RUNES OF MAGIC MEANS EVERYTHING. I REFUSE TO GO OUTSIDE.

vfwiffo, people don't bother to consider that GF staff are actually people too because clearly everyone on these forums are engineerings, lawyers, rocket scientists and super techies.

Coming from someone who has a server that is up and operational

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Monday, February 4th 2013, 6:39pm

Quoted from "mrmisterwaa;587612"

What? No! RUNES OF MAGIC MEANS EVERYTHING. I REFUSE TO GO OUTSIDE.

vfwiffo, people don't bother to consider that GF staff are actually people too because clearly everyone on these forums are engineerings, lawyers, rocket scientists and super techies.



Engineers? Lawyers? Scientists? Techies? :mad:

Years of development.
(It finally worked.)
Fax it to me.
(I’m too lazy to write it down.)
No maintenance.
(If it breaks, we can’t fix it.)
We’re following the standard.
(We’ve always done it this way.)
I haven’t gotten your email.
(It’s been days since I’ve checked my email.)
We’re trying a number of different approaches.
(We still guessing, at this point.)
The project is in process.
(It’s so tied up in red tape that it’s completely hopeless.)
We’ll have to abandon the entire concept.
(The only person who understood the thing just quit.)
We’re preparing a report with a fresh approach.
(We just hired a couple of kids out of college.)
We’ll look into it.
(Forget it! We’ve got so many other problems already, we’ll never get to it.)
Customer satisfaction is believed to be assured.
(We’re so far behind schedule that the customer will settle for anything.)
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Monday, February 4th 2013, 6:40pm

Quoted from "xtina66;587616"

Coming from someone who has a server that is up and operational


You kind of missed the point.

People just need to calm down and find something else to do. Whining on the forums doesn't speed up the process of the servers getting back up. It only frustrates you and everyone else.

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Monday, February 4th 2013, 6:44pm

Quoted from "saum02;587614"

If im going to post what C posted, basucally informing my clients that their product will be unavailable for 24 hours or more....

I think a little more than a "Were working on it" post is going to be required.


For clients with a clue about the underlying architecture and organization, sure. But, most of us here are not.

Neither are CMs, frankly. None of the CMs were techies, not even Swag. The broken telephone symptoms become too much, and the possibility that your message will be misinterpreted, causing greater harm than good, is significant.
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Oh, and people who have more than 3 classes are clinically insane.


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Monday, February 4th 2013, 6:48pm

Quoted from "mrmisterwaa;587612"

What? No! RUNES OF MAGIC MEANS EVERYTHING. I REFUSE TO GO OUTSIDE.

vfwiffo, people don't bother to consider that GF staff are actually people too because clearly everyone on these forums are engineerings, lawyers, rocket scientists and super techies.


Sekrit, it is not that support did not work the way it should, but it did not work AT ALL for first 9 hours of problem.

I saw and worked on problems like the one Mr. Purple Hat mentioned, but that was long time ago. Just the same job I am doing now, 10 years ago was not the same. Where we had lead time of 3-10 days for product delivery, now everyone expect you to deliver product in less then 3 days, mostly 1 working day. New means of communication and resources (google it if you don't know) help, but for major components of business you are expected to get support that is 24x7, not on some strange schedule.

In my opinion, this game had good run and potential, but support and sales department is what killed it.

It would be saving if some US company acquire license for NA. Until then we are on sinking ship.

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Monday, February 4th 2013, 6:57pm

Quoted from "xtina66;587615"

Lets all go to Artemis......After all just because they dont want us doesnt mean we dont want them


lol when i said to Artemis and Govinda i was wrong, we should put both Reni and Osha on Artemis ;) let's flood the server xD

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Monday, February 4th 2013, 7:02pm

Quoted from "mrmisterwaa;587619"

You kind of missed the point.

People just need to calm down and find something else to do. Whining on the forums doesn't speed up the process of the servers getting back up. It only frustrates you and everyone else.


It is probably better for people to vent here, then go to other game... we might find that later, 2-3 months from now, when they get servers up and running, no one is there to play.... :D

As for support, as soon as they hire a bit more staff, we will see more support.... :D

I agree, keep it positive people... :)

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Monday, February 4th 2013, 7:04pm

Quoted from "Jeania;587624"

lol when i said to Artemis and Govinda i was wrong, we should put both Reni and Osha on Artemis ;) let's flood the server xD


There's quite a lot of us already there - I don't know how many members ReniRefugees have already, but our Osha guild is already up to 45 members. :)

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Monday, February 4th 2013, 7:07pm

Quoted from "vfwiffo;587622"


Neither are CMs, frankly. None of the CMs were techies, not even Swag. The broken telephone symptoms become too much, and the possibility that your message will be misinterpreted, causing greater harm than good, is significant.


Well, in terms of Swag, he lied to the community before leaving so his messages weren't necessarily misinterpreted as much as he said them to try and calm us before he left.