Runes of Magic US / AU

Quoted from "mnkmurphy885;593025"

And I don't know about any other caster classes, but not having a weapon to lust over has sure been demotivational to me as far as clearing KBN goes. I want to clear it, of course, but why should I bother spending the time and the money to get... a chest I don't need? I wonder how many other casters feel tired of watching phys classes show off their shiny new weapons and ask themselves "why do I bother?"

Warmages that I know look at all the new weapons I got, and I feel them giggle doing twice my dps with ToSH wands. Warmages also spend way less getting int/ma and int/stam stats than rogues/warriors chasing dex/pa, str/pa and stam/pa. With shells, EoJs, and instance drops, gearing a rogue is about as expensive today as it was gearing a mage in Chapter 2/3.

Arguing that every caster class should be nerfed just for the sake of W/M is beyond moronic, people. Warlocks already have mediocre damage, they really didn't need a nerf like this. Mages have fallen behind once again as well, and healers can't increase their heals by much without more mdam. What's the point in having various caster classes if the only one that content is balanced around is W/M? Nerf W/M when mdam on weapons gets fixed, problem solved. Jesus.

Quoted from "Jada28;592928"

I agree with everything said here, except this statement above!! I know a lot of people that joined the bandwagon for W/M, but there is not a chance in hell that I will do this. I have always played mage since the beginning, I learned how to play it well and I know all of my skills. I play M/S and absolutely love it. I have spent a lot of my own hard earned money and a lot of time to get my mage to this point, if they don't soon fix mages I will just say au revoir. I spend way less now then I used to because what is the point? I also think that the reason the staves are like they are is because of the W/M and if they fixed them it would make this class even more OP. This tells me that there is something wrong with the class if all other mage classes have to suffer because of it!! I know it is probaly RW way to try and get people to reroll and they make a ton of money, it probably works for them I don't know but there is also peope like me who will not reroll and now spend less time and money on the game..... It really irks me everytime we go to an instance and I see my s hitty DPS compared to everyone else and silly me keeps thinking it will change at some point... I have started playing another game and actually getting into it so I know if things dont soon change I will eventually spend all my time and money over there and not on ROM. Shame really because I have been playing ROM for a long time and love the game, just hate that they "intentionally" separate classes like this and make everything so unfair!!!

I know people will probably respond to this saying RW could care less if one mage leaves the game, I know this already, I am just saying how I feel. I know others will say that Mages are meant for Crowd Control and not DPS but CC isn't really needed when you have 2 or 3 W/M who can burn anything fast!!! So yes Mages are a dying breed regardless of what spin anyone puts on it!!

Pyper M77/S73/P77
MidnightAssassins Guild, Palenque

I disagree, a m/wd with their new elite can do insane burst damage.

Quoted from "tyrr;593023"

Do you really want to appease the few mages stuck on stupid with a few healers who don't really need a boost and make all physical dps reroll to W/Ms? Seems like an awful move to me.

With the way the game it is right now, physical dps is still viable. Boost magic damage on weapons and everyone with half a brain will have to reroll just like they did in scout days. Remember scout days? Want them back? I rerolled from mage to scout/rogue when WA came out. The smarter people rerolled when DoD came out.

If a physical dps hasn't already rerolled a W/M doing double their damage.. chances are they probably aren't going to because A. They know it'll be nerfed and B. Not everyone goes FoTM just cause it's FoTM.

Using the Scout argument is totally invalid. RT diamond and the like were nearly IMPOSSIBLE without scouts, that is not how it is now. KBH can be done easily without W/M, they are not necessary at all for clearing content, and I doubt that will change, so the Chapter 3 Scout argument is bull.

Quoted from "gigilomann;593034"

I disagree, a m/wd with their new elite can do insane burst damage.

So true.. got killed in siege lastnight by one.. 7 flames in 2 seconds wasn't fun.

Quoted from "Borella;593042"

If a physical dps hasn't already rerolled a W/M doing double their damage.. chances are they probably aren't going to because A. They know it'll be nerfed and B. Not everyone goes FoTM just cause it's FoTM.

Using the Scout argument is totally invalid. RT diamond and the like were nearly IMPOSSIBLE without scouts, that is not how it is now. KBH can be done easily without W/M, they are not necessary at all for clearing content, and I doubt that will change, so the Chapter 3 Scout argument is bull.

Had nothing to do with RT. People rerolled before RT was released and rerolling back then was painful.
Scout was cheap and easy to gear, dex stats were readily available, weapons were readily available. Scout won because of economical reasons.

The same trend is today. W/M can be fully geared and leveled in under a week for a fraction of a cost that it takes to gear an end game rogue or warrior.

Every single end game mage that I know has a Warrior 2nd, 3rd or an alt that they power leveled themselves for free in ToSH. I do not see mages in their right mind complaining about mdamage of weapons.

Instead of increasing mdam on mage weapons, increase pdam on melee weapons and remove garbage stats from leather and chain or bring back Dex effect and make Str give the same effect too, so that people don't need to go full-pa statting.

Quoted from "tyrr;593045"

bring back Dex effect and make Str give the same effect too, so that people don't need to go full-pa statting.

i'll be ready when this happens...

Quoted from "tyrr;593023"

Do you really want to appease the few mages stuck on stupid with a few healers who don't really need a boost and make all physical dps reroll to W/Ms? Seems like an awful move to me.

With the way the game it is right now, physical dps is still viable. Boost magic damage on weapons and everyone with half a brain will have to reroll just like they did in scout days. Remember scout days? Want them back? I rerolled from mage to scout/rogue when WA came out. The smarter people rerolled when DoD came out.

Name an instance which requires W/M to clear. You can't? Then no, it will not be like the Scout days again. Also, look at Bteam's 4 man KBN clear video. Look at the scrutinizer. W/M and W/Wdn did very similar DPS on the bosses. The proper fix for the weapon will not suddenly cause W/M damage to double.

Quoted from "tyrr;593045"

Had nothing to do with RT. People rerolled before RT was released and rerolling back then was painful.
Scout was cheap and easy to gear, dex stats were readily available, weapons were readily available. Scout won because of economical reasons.

The same trend is today. W/M can be fully geared and leveled in under a week for a fraction of a cost that it takes to gear an end game rogue or warrior.

Every single end game mage that I know has a Warrior 2nd, 3rd or an alt that they power leveled themselves for free in ToSH. I do not see mages in their right mind complaining about mdamage of weapons.

Instead of increasing mdam on mage weapons, increase pdam on melee weapons and remove garbage stats from leather and chain or bring back Dex effect and make Str give the same effect too, so that people don't need to go full-pa statting.

The point still remains that nerfing ALL MAGIC WEAPONS because of one class combination is ridiculous. And by that I mean keeping them nerfed. THey weren't actually nerfed because of W/M.. they were that way long before W/M became overpowered.

It's not like RW saw ahead of time "Hey we're gonna make W/M really OP a few months from now.. make sure all these magic weapons suck"

Quoted from "mikkehboii;593051"

Name an instance which requires W/M to clear. You can't? Then no, it will not be like the Scout days again. Also, look at Bteam's 4 man KBN clear video. Look at the scrutinizer. W/M and W/Wdn did very similar DPS on the bosses. The proper fix for the weapon will not suddenly cause W/M damage to double.

Read the next post. People rerolled before RT.
Shinryuh is not playing W/Wdn in the video, he's tanking on Wd/W. Did you watch the video? How many Wd/W like Shinryuh do you know and how? I, personally, do not know Wd/Ws like him, but I know several W/Ms who can pull more damage than the W/Ms from BTeam. Also, compare the cost of gear for Wd/W and W/Ms. Why would you be spending the money when you don't have to?

How many other classes have access to Global Destruction kind of a weapon? The fix all of a sudden is to buff pdam on weapons and lower mdam to have at least a few other classes doing comparable dps to W/M.

Quoted from "tyrr;593076"

Read the next post. People rerolled before RT.
Shinryuh is not playing W/Wdn in the video, he's tanking on Wd/W. Did you watch the video? How many Wd/W like Shinryuh do you know and how? I, personally, do not know Wd/Ws like him, but I know several W/Ms who can pull more damage than the W/Ms from BTeam. Also, compare the cost of gear for Wd/W and W/Ms. Why would you be spending the money when you don't have to?

How many other classes have access to Global Destruction kind of a weapon? The fix all of a sudden is to buff pdam on weapons and lower mdam to have at least a few other classes doing comparable dps to W/M.

Did YOU watch the video? Saela, W/wdn. Doing.. hey! Comparable dps to the W/M.

Also, your argument is still stupid. Nerf every other magic class because of W/M.

And Bangsatruck is right.. you can clear absolutely everything in this game without a W/M. Comparing it to Scouts is just silly.

I'd love to play whatever server the tyrr person is on, with the cheap int/ma stats. I offer diamonds and a... well, one of your favorites things Bor for them and I can't even get a whisper, the damned things are a myth. They don't exist. Sounds like tyrr has a bad case of the melee whinies to me.

Guess what, warmage- it ain't as easy as you think. To gear that is, it's easy as hell to play, no arguing that.

Regardless, saying, hey- your weapons are broke, so go spend a couple G's on reset tickets and reroll, you'll be fine! Yeah, that's kinda cold. And like I said, this issue existed prior to the warmage craze anyway, so they have no excuse not to fix it. Mages should not have to reroll, they've been living in the suckbucket since chapter two for heaven's sake. See any of my umptybillion posts for reference if need be. Sheesh.

Quoted from "Borella;593078"

Did YOU watch the video? Saela, W/wdn. Doing.. hey! Comparable dps to the W/M.

Saela W/Wd? o_O I did not notice that.
Should have probably read the credits.
Taking a closer look, I do see Wild Howl going off... so indeed a W/Wd.

Quoted from "Borella;593078"

Also, your argument is still stupid. Nerf every other magic class because of W/M.

By making one class OP you are nerfing every other class. Who's stupid?
If my argument is stupid than your "Give my priest something to stat because I am bored" is retarded.

Saela could outdps most warmages (me included) on a half-geared druid/rogue, but that's beside the point.

Quoted from "tyrr;593085"

By making one class OP you are nerfing every other class. Who's stupid?

Still you.

Quoted from "tyrr;593085"

If my argument is stupid than your "Give my priest something to stat because I am bored" is retarded.

Your argument is still stupid. You want to nerf 4 entire classes so that one class combo is less OP? If that actually makes sense to you.. just.. wow.

Warrior/Mage will be nerfed eventually.. either you can continue to ----- about it or you can accept that it's the OP class for this chapter and move the hell on. It's still not right to allow 4 classes to have nerfed weapons. That is in no way shape or form acceptable.

There is NO REASON WHATSOEVER that anyone needs to reroll W/M. Endgame content is easily cleared without a single one. Quit crying about it and move on.

Quoted from "Borella;593087"

Your argument is still stupid. You want to nerf 4 entire classes so that one class combo is less OP? If that actually makes sense to you.. just.. wow.

And your argument is still retarded. Let's buff 4 entire class combos so that the other 65 class combos are nerfed.
Go clean t12 your wand if you have nothing to do and leave class balancing alone.

Quoted from "tyrr;593088"

And your argument is still retarded. Let's buff 4 entire class combos so that the other 65 class combos are nerfed.
Go clean t12 your wand if you have nothing to do and leave class balancing alone.

What you want isn't class balancing. Nerfing warlocks, mages, druids, and priests because you're butthurt that you can't outdps a W/M is not class balancing.

Quoted from "Borella;593089"

What you want isn't class balancing. Nerfing warlocks, mages, druids, and priests because you're butthurt that you can't outdps a W/M is not class balancing.

It's melee-itis.

Melee-itis is a condition suffered primarily by melee classes that involves immense butthurt, whinage, moaning and complaining anytime anyone suggests that a caster class have the potential to do as much dps as they do. And GOD FORBID maybe MORE. It is obviously the divine right of every man who has ever rolled a hunter, or warrior, or whatever other pow-bang-make-you-bleed class in any MMO to do more damage than their caster colleagues who, as we all know, make no one bleed. Cause casters are wimps.

It is self-evident to these people that magic-wielding classes, and their staves, or GOD FORBID, wands, aren't meant to hurt anyone.

I mean, look at this guy. He wants melee classes buffed more! Obviously, the umptybillion other people playing whatever melee class he is (probably scout, probably scout/rogue, and probably badly) have a hard hard time and need a boost. It couldn't possibly be that HE has the problem, oh no no no no no. He is the lone voice crying out in the wilderness, he is the voice of reason!

The saddest thing is, there's really only one magic-based class in this game that can even do decent dps at the moment, and that's a melee class that does, in fact, whack people with a stick and make them bleed.

You and me, Bor- obviously Runewaker thinks we're nuts. Cause they sure as heck don't play caster classes.

RoM has been accursed by melee-itis literally since chapter 2, and we have people like you to thank for it tyrr.

(aaand I just read back and saw that you said you are indeed a s/r since the wa days and now I lol)

tyrr to mages: stop playing your stupid class and reroll already.
mages to tyrr: stop playing your stupid class and expecting it to be chapter 3 again already. We'd like to stop being weapon-nerfed just to soothe your bruised epeen.

But then, how exactly do you argue with someone who's base argument is "mages and the people who play them are retarded and just need to reroll" anyway?

I can agree that getting a w/m up to scratch for KBN in regards to matk is relatively easy, but it's still no different from any other class gear wise. If you want to be mediocre, be cheap and stat with out of data stats, you'll be doing nice damage (probably more than most other dps classes) but if you want to really 'destroy the scruit' you still have to put in the same effort with tiering and stating as any other class.

As it is at the moment, int/ma stats are slowing becoming more valuable than dex/pa anyway lol, so soon it would actually cost more to well-gear a w/m.

As for the staff and wand mdam...those that say "ITS BECAUSE OF W/M AND HENCE SHOULD STAY NERFED"... get stuffed. I have a fully geared p/k and seriously, it sucks not having an upgrade for my tosh wand. When I play m/w side I feel the pain even more, while using a lvl 70 staff it can't even compair to most other dps classes even in burn, it's beyond ridiculous.

And as it has been said by many in this thread, the magic weps were gimped long before w/m became fotm, so stop QQ'ing because you get beaten in dps for once, I know for me it was a nice change to be top of scruit for once >.>

yeah i mean cmon people, leave staves nerfed for mages, warlock, druid, priests.... because a WARRIOR!?!?!? is OP? That makes no sense. Fix the staff/wand dmg, and then adjust the skills that make a w/m op. Scale down the damage after fixing staves. I mean it would be only adjusting the skills that use magic dmg, cause the staves if they fix the problem will have lower physical dmg by default. Therefore it is only a few skills that would need to be brought in line.....


HOWEVER, these people crying are probably the same ones that cried about Scouts OP, Rogues OP, P/S OP, now W/M OP. Yes balancing needs to take place but going "OMG THEY DO MORE THAN ME!!!" is never a reason not to fix a problem.

people..... calm down, calm down. mages werent broken because they dont have a super new awesome staff, the kbn staff is actually better for mages than tosh staff with the added mattack......... but there screwed still because the mdef in kbn was raised too much.


That's why mages are crap. 60% mattack anyone >.>

Mages dont have some weapon bonuses like +75% to two handed dmg, they only lost 200 dmg but gained 1k mattack from staff and 900 int, 1800 mattack, 2800 mattack extra from staff.

Edit: fixed the typo from mattack to mdef in last line.