Runes of Magic US / AU

Quoted from "1stfaze;596638"

u have an endgame p/k? what server what is its name? that said you dont have to make up imaginary characters to argue. basically what your saying is p/s should be like p/k but without all the perks of the combo, no life link or massive pdef? if they wanted to make p/s a healer main which is the role they are forced into now, they have to change up their elite skills and give up a tp reset stone. there would probably be less qq if they were handed something else in place of iceblade

Reni, Arynion.

Quoted from "tmblake09;596708"

Reni, Arynion.

When you say endgame priest/knight...

Quoted from "Borella;596709"

When you say endgame priest/knight...

he's kidding TROLOLOLOL

Quoted from "1stfaze;596710"

he's kidding TROLOLOLOL

When I say end-game priest/knight I mean I have 180k group heals with 65% crit rate. Using the Tribe Diary set and most of the Warmonger's set, the Kulech Light set, True Faith and Ancient Rampart.

Quoted from "tmblake09;596715"

When I say end-game priest/knight I mean I have 180k group heals with 65% crit rate. Using the Tribe Diary set and most of the Warmonger's set, the Kulech Light set, True Faith and Ancient Rampart.

GH really means nothing at all. Not that hard to get a high GH.

Arynion.. oh are you that one who sold a ton of dias and bought all that gear a few months ago? Lol.

No wonder you don't understand game mechanics and thing Ice Blade was OP.

Any endgame P/K should know, just by how little Ice Blade actually hits a healer for, just how Un-OP it was.

Quoted from "tmblake09;596603"

I have an end-game priest/knight

No, you don't.

You have an average geared p/k. You're not end game by any means. Your GH is decent, your crit % is something I had when GCH was out with 90k hp.

I've been with, and ran with practically all current end game toons on Reni (yeh I get around). Putting on some cheap ass..embly of gear together and calling yourself "end game" is a joke. Pieces you mentioned are the easiest/cheapest to get, your crit % is less than decent for a healer at this point in the game. You should have ~75%. I'm currently at 77%.

All this coming from an end game healer. There are currently 8 (maybe 9, havent seen her on for awhile) end game P/K on Reni. You're not one of them.

Iceblade wasn't OP. Spammable, yes. Not OP. The nerf does not justify the previous viability of the skill. They should have added a 15 focus cost and left it at that. 3 second cooldown was too much.

The damage on it was a joke really. Most of the QQ bout the damage came from crap-geared players or the usual "QQ a preist kiled meh" morons.

I think the best way to have fixed this would be to give iceblade to mage/knight. No bias here at all.

Quoted from "Ravesden;596721"

The damage on it was a joke really. Most of the QQ bout the damage came from crap-geared players or the usual "QQ a preist kiled meh" morons.

well siege is supposed to be fun for everybody

we can't all be endgame/near the gear level of some people.

Quoted from "RoMunited;596723"

well siege is supposed to be fun for everybody

we can't all be endgame/near the gear level of some people.

You would be surprised at how few people really are end game. I for one have seen many people on the forums talking how end game they are, only to see them in siege and wonder how they define end game.
Rom as a whole is supposed to be fun, it is a game after all. But is is also a gear mod game. You can not jump into siege wearing 'as dropped' gear and expect to be viable.
I am not end game, fairly well statted but nowhere near end game. I do good against players statted as I am, but if I go up against someone who has spent a lot of diamonds to get geared up I go down. I don't waste my time crying about how unfair it is that he spent more money and hits harder.
I have the same choice, gear up and hit hard too, or keep playing the way I do, siege is only an hour out of 24, only a totally incompetent developer would program for PVP in PVE.

Quoted from "refugee;596731"

You would be surprised at how few people really are end game. I for one have seen many people on the forums talking how end game they are, only to see them in siege and wonder how they define end game.
Rom as a whole is supposed to be fun, it is a game after all. But is is also a gear mod game. You can not jump into siege wearing 'as dropped' gear and expect to be viable.
I am not end game, fairly well statted but nowhere near end game. I do good against players statted as I am, but if I go up against someone who has spent a lot of diamonds to get geared up I go down. I don't waste my time crying about how unfair it is that he spent more money and hits harder.
I have the same choice, gear up and hit hard too, or keep playing the way I do, siege is only an hour out of 24, only a totally incompetent developer would program for PVP in PVE.

so ur saying i'm not endgame??? i thought just cuz i am wearing gear i am endgame. u mean i have to upgrade it too?

Quoted from "Ravesden;596721"

No, you don't.

You have an average geared p/k. You're not end game by any means. Your GH is decent, your crit % is something I had when GCH was out with 90k hp.

I've been with, and ran with practically all current end game toons on Reni (yeh I get around). Putting on some cheap ass..embly of gear together and calling yourself "end game" is a joke. Pieces you mentioned are the easiest/cheapest to get, your crit % is less than decent for a healer at this point in the game. You should have ~75%. I'm currently at 77%.

All this coming from an end game healer. There are currently 8 (maybe 9, havent seen her on for awhile) end game P/K on Reni. You're not one of them.

Iceblade wasn't OP. Spammable, yes. Not OP. The nerf does not justify the previous viability of the skill. They should have added a 15 focus cost and left it at that. 3 second cooldown was too much.

The damage on it was a joke really. Most of the QQ bout the damage came from crap-geared players or the usual "QQ a preist kiled meh" morons.

I only quoted Ravesden, but it also is an Agree with Borella. It took me next to nothing to gear two p/k with 120k health, 70%+ crit rate and GHeals that high. We didnt + over 12, I didnt even drill more then two rune slots on any of the gear. My gf and i geared them as pocket healers because they are cheap to do. My D/S is getting more attention. NOTHING like our 2-handed Axe w/k or my m/p/w, which i dont play as a w/m. Cause i am just a mage loving fool.

15 focus cost i think is too little, P/s doesnt use focus for anything and it comes back fast enough it would literally be no change to the skill. 100 focus potions wouldnt even need to be used. It would only stop IB from being perma spammable on harder to kill Targets... like Borella/Ravesden. They will still tear through other things. I still dont think it needs to be changed, but the better ideas i have seen are:

Less PVP dmg, yet leave PvE dmg alone (and remove cooldown)-- Really i think this should be the best, cause i think people that OMG about how fast someone else kills PvE is, whatev. I dont think IB is NEEDED to PvE on priests, but ok... ill give up trying to argue that i dont have trouble hunting on any Priest combo... However i see that some people just got used to it, and the main reason ones wanted nerfed was for PvP. Then do the same for P/M Icewind blade... only fair.

Next best one was a 2 second cooldown, however if you do that, do the same to icewind blade.

I think focus cost... wont change a thing.

Edit to add: Which may be why it is the favored solution

Quoted from "Dkjester;596736"

I only quoted Ravesden, but it also is an Agree with Borella. It took me next to nothing to gear two p/k with 120k health, 70%+ crit rate and GHeals that high. We didnt + over 12, I didnt even drill more then two rune slots on any of the gear. My gf and i geared them as pocket healers because they are cheap to do. My D/S is getting more attention. NOTHING like our 2-handed Axe w/k or my m/p/w, which i dont play as a w/m. Cause i am just a mage loving fool.

15 focus cost i think is too little, P/s doesnt use focus for anything and it comes back fast enough it would literally be no change to the skill. 100 focus potions wouldnt even need to be used. It would only stop IB from being perma spammable on harder to kill Targets... like Borella/Ravesden. They will still tear through other things. I still dont think it needs to be changed, but the better ideas i have seen are:

Less PVP dmg, yet leave PvE dmg alone (and remove cooldown)-- Really i think this should be the best, cause i think people that OMG about how fast someone else kills PvE is, whatev. I dont think IB is NEEDED to PvE on priests, but ok... ill give up trying to argue that i dont have trouble hunting on any Priest combo... However i see that some people just got used to it, and the main reason ones wanted nerfed was for PvP. Then do the same for P/M Icewind blade... only fair.

Next best one was a 2 second cooldown, however if you do that, do the same to icewind blade.

I think focus cost... wont change a thing.

Edit to add: Which may be why it is the favored solution

obviously you have never ever tried to play a scout in pvp. if you just try and spam wind arrows(look at that, another 15 focus cost), you will fail, hard...focus does NOT regen fast, especially in pvp, when you are in combat and running all the time, it barely regens at all. yes there are focus pots, and energy restore, in addition to the scout skill that increases focus regen, but the pots have a CD, and the focus regen buff has a 5m CD.

i believe out of combat, standing still, you regen like 6 focus every 2 sec(maybe 1 sec) in combat halves your focus regen...and running also reduces it...even when u respawn after death, focus starts at 0, and by the time u get back into combat, u may not be at full focus yet. <--happens to me all the time

to keep it spammable, 10-12 focus cost would be more appropriate if that is your main attack.

Quoted from "refugee;596731"

You would be surprised at how few people really are end game. I for one have seen many people on the forums talking how end game they are, only to see them in siege and wonder how they define end game.
Rom as a whole is supposed to be fun, it is a game after all. But is is also a gear mod game. You can not jump into siege wearing 'as dropped' gear and expect to be viable.
I am not end game, fairly well statted but nowhere near end game. I do good against players statted as I am, but if I go up against someone who has spent a lot of diamonds to get geared up I go down. I don't waste my time crying about how unfair it is that he spent more money and hits harder.
I have the same choice, gear up and hit hard too, or keep playing the way I do, siege is only an hour out of 24, only a totally incompetent developer would program for PVP in PVE.

A lot of people do mistake their performance in PVE for how they will perform in PVP. Sure the gear will take you pretty far, but pvp and pve are two different things. Many people can only afford to upgrade/have one set of gear for their PVE stuff. You can still run endgame content without having perfect/very good gear, but in PVP it is different.

Druids and priests are easier to gear up than other classes to run endgame content, but just because you run/can run endgame content doesn't mean you will perform well in PVP, and not just because of skill. imo PVP is endgame. It isn't KBN H, endgame is the highest level of PVP you can reach and people think that just because they do well in PVE it means that their success will carry onto PVP, but there are gear differences, strats to learn, you need to know your toon better than in PVE.

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Quoted from "RoMunited;596740"

A lot of people do mistake their performance in PVE for how they will perform in PVP. Sure the gear will take you pretty far, but pvp and pve are two different things. Many people can only afford to upgrade/have one set of gear for their PVE stuff. You can still run endgame content without having perfect/very good gear, but in PVP it is different.

Druids and priests are easier to gear up than other classes to run endgame content, but just because you run/can run endgame content doesn't mean you will perform well in PVP, and not just because of skill. imo PVP is endgame. It isn't KBN H, endgame is the highest level of PVP you can reach and people think that just because they do well in PVE it means that their success will carry onto PVP, but there are gear differences, strats to learn, you need to know your toon better than in PVE.

das ist meine 2 euro

denglish !!

imo, neither pvp or pve is of higher difficulty than the other, they are just completely different beasts...i enjoy both, and like to think i am decent at both, but i don't think either requires more ability than the other...

PvP is what people really gear for... to be honest.

I could heal KBH fulls with half or less of the gear I have, but I gear to be as survivable as possible in PvP, as do many other healers. Gearing a healer to be good enough to heal endgame is so ridiculously easy it's just sad.

Quoted from "Borella;596743"

PvP is what people really gear for... to be honest.

I could heal KBH fulls with half or less of the gear I have, but I gear to be as survivable as possible in PvP, as do many other healers. Gearing a healer to be good enough to heal endgame is so ridiculously easy it's just sad.

WAY too easy.

Now back to the other comment, my gf plays a scout in siege. She never has focus issues cause she knows how to use other skills....

SO in PVE... a priest could just like a scout use other skills for PVE.

Ok, PVP.... Saying that about scouts... do scouts only use wind arrows in PVP? Cause that is how you are making your parallel. If you are saying the only skill useable for a priest in PVP is Iceblade.... then how does Borella manage on P/K without iceblade? I already said i could see how taking the CD away would be ok for PVP but reduce the dmg. Point is that you dont want the dmg down, you want to be able to spam it 3-5 times to kill anyone you meet. And you really think they should have never touched it.

Well they nerfed it so now it is not "how close can you get it to how it was" but is there anything to unnerf to not make it OP

Quoted from "Dkjester;596758"

WAY too easy.

Now back to the other comment, my gf plays a scout in siege. She never has focus issues cause she knows how to use other skills....

SO in PVE... a priest could just like a scout use other skills for PVE.

Ok, PVP.... Saying that about scouts... do scouts only use wind arrows in PVP? Cause that is how you are making your parallel. If you are saying the only skill useable for a priest in PVP is Iceblade.... then how does Borella manage on P/K without iceblade? I already said i could see how taking the CD away would be ok for PVP but reduce the dmg. Point is that you dont want the dmg down, you want to be able to spam it 3-5 times to kill anyone you meet. And you really think they should have never touched it.

Well they nerfed it so now it is not "how close can you get it to how it was" but is there anything to unnerf to not make it OP

I didn't.. I used P/S for questing. P/K is stupid slow. The P/K's I used to see quest would have a DPS do their quests with them because it takes them 5 minutes just to kill a few mobs.

Now i'll probably do quests on M/P and turn them in on P/K. Or do them on P/M. Nobody quests on a P/K if they have the choice because it's slow as hell. Rising Tide hits for 11K on MT mobs. That's ridiculous. At least with Ice Blade you could spam 6-7K's, to kill a mob with 200K+ hp. Only way it would work is if, like me, you have a seperate set of mage gear.

Comparison to scouts doesn't really make sense. Scouts have 5+ skills that all hit for relatively the same damage, so spamming wind arrows isn't necessary. Nothing a Priest has is anywhere close to the damage of RT or Ice Blade. THere is *nothing* to rotate through.

EDIT: Before you say Frost Scars, that hits for 3K. That's not a valid skill. At all. Bone Chill 2K ticks. There is nothing to rotate through at all.

15 focus cost was my preferred suggestion due to a few things:

1) Iceblade does not hit hard. If you have no mdef, itll hit you just as hard as you would be hit by a physical attack, and have no pdef.

2) Focus regen while in combat is almost nonexistent. In siege, unless youre a rogue, youre almost always in combat. 15 is a good level for that. Also, wouldnt affect questing too much, as you can get out of pve combat relatively easy.

This would still allow iceblade to be viable in siege AND while questing, but if spammed to much will force the priest to use "other skills" such as healing/rising tide (the only other viable dps skill they have).

Reduce range to about 180-200 if the above is too little. Outside of all this, the skill shouldnt be touched.

Quoted from "Ravesden;596768"

15 focus cost was my preferred suggestion due to a few things:

1) Iceblade does not hit hard. If you have no mdef, itll hit you just as hard as you would be hit by a physical attack, and have no pdef.

2) Focus regen while in combat is almost nonexistent. In siege, unless youre a rogue, youre almost always in combat. 15 is a good level for that. Also, wouldnt affect questing too much, as you can get out of pve combat relatively easy.

Focus cost is probably the only solution that would be tolerable, along with a range decrease. however, I still maintain that it really didn't need to be changed at all.

Quoted from "Dkjester;596758"

WAY too easy.

Now back to the other comment, my gf plays a scout in siege. She never has focus issues cause she knows how to use other skills....

SO in PVE... a priest could just like a scout use other skills for PVE.

Ok, PVP.... Saying that about scouts... do scouts only use wind arrows in PVP? Cause that is how you are making your parallel. If you are saying the only skill useable for a priest in PVP is Iceblade.... then how does Borella manage on P/K without iceblade? I already said i could see how taking the CD away would be ok for PVP but reduce the dmg. Point is that you dont want the dmg down, you want to be able to spam it 3-5 times to kill anyone you meet. And you really think they should have never touched it.

Well they nerfed it so now it is not "how close can you get it to how it was" but is there anything to unnerf to not make it OP

i have no issue using different skills myself. i actually rarely use WA in pvp or pve, as target area or detection are a much better use of focus. the argument was that putting a 15 focus cost on IB would put it back to the way it was. i disagreed, it would have a bigger effect then people realized. also, if you would like to notice how i said using only WA in pvp would make you a fail scout, i never said it was a viable way to play the class nor was i suggesting it as a pvp rotation. a p/s only using IB in SW, and IB costs 15 focus, and it would essentially be as fail as the aforementioned WA spamming scout.

scouts never have focus issues unless they are playing the class wrong(refer back to WA spam), or just an idiot. yes, i do have focus issues, but that is completely voluntary, as i keep detection up 24/7 in SW, and use target area when entering combat. i never complained about the focus issues and said they were a problem, i merely suggested that focus does not regenerate at the rate most expect it to. i'd also like to point out scouts have 6+ skills, 2 of which are spammable that require nothing but ammo, while a p/s has about 4 magical attacks total, so yeah, scouts are better off with focus management.

i never anywhere stated that i liked it the way it was. i believed it needed some "adjustment", not a damage nerf, not a CD added, just a higher cost, such that a p/s will think twice before using it.

also, comparing borella to a mage statted p/s is like comparing a scout to a knight, literally. they are 2 separate builds, and both should be viable, but saying that a glass cannon should play like a tank is ridiculous...

wow, looks like since i been typing this both raves and borella beat me to the response...