Runes of Magic US / AU

Quoted from "Cike;596881"

if you are a mage, i can imagine the only reason you are whining is because you are a human mage, and don't have the option to reroll m/wdn...

THAT type of response is why this thread goes downhill

just sayin... you proved your own point with your own comments.


The reason this thread goes "down hill" is cause when actual numbers and valid points go against the p/s arguement you resort to calling people whiners, butthurt, just plain wrong, etc etc etc. It degrades from there thanks in part to comments and mentalities like the one above.

Quoted from "Dkjester;596888"

THAT type of response is why this thread goes downhill

just sayin... you proved your own point with your own comments.


The reason this thread goes "down hill" is cause when actual numbers and valid points go against the p/s arguement you resort to calling people whiners, butthurt, just plain wrong, etc etc etc. It degrades from there thanks in part to comments and mentalities like the one above.

i don't even have a p/s...so yeah, personally, i have no reason to want them fixed besides the fact that the nerf was a wee bit hard on them...
it's not me killing the threads...that thread was dead the moment u posted...i just kicked the body

Quoted from "Cike;596889"

i don't even have a p/s...so yeah, personally, i have no reason to want them fixed besides the fact that the nerf was a wee bit hard on them...
it's not me killing the threads...that thread was dead the moment u posted...i just kicked the body

why cause i disagreed? People arent allowed to not agree?

See what i mean... that mentality.

"you said i am wrong therefore you killed this thread"

Cause that is such a good defense of your point.

Quoted from "Dkjester;596891"

why cause i disagreed? People arent allowed to not agree?

See what i mean... that mentality.

"you said i am wrong therefore you killed this thread"

Cause that is such a good defense of your point.

ikr, it's the best defense...why don't u learn from it...oh, wait, ur already a master...

Quoted from "Cike;596893"

ikr, it's the best defense...why don't u learn from it...oh, wait, ur already a master...

lets dissect this:

"ikr, it's the best defense" either sarcasm, or you actually mean it. My guess- sarcasm
"why don't u learn from it...oh, wait, ur already a master" continuing sarcasm? Wouldnt that defeat your point??

Ok so maybe you meant the first part not as sarcasm, so you are admitting i am right... so i am the master at being right?

Wait that sounds like sarcasm again....

End of it all, if you think the thread is dead... why not just leave it alone and let it die? These comments add nothing to the discussion of whether the nerf needs to be reversed or not.

Some of you guys...

just annoying. I swear, annoying. As in, youre the type who gets shunned in the real world due to how much people cant stand you. Some of you guys dont even make good arguments, you just talk out of your s-hole and berate and annoy whoever disagrees with your stupidity. Its just annoying.

For lack of a better word.

Quoted from "Ravesden;596897"

Some of you guys...

just annoying. I swear, annoying. As in, youre the type who gets shunned in the real world due to how much people cant stand you. Some of you guys dont even make good arguments, you just talk out of your s-hole and berate and annoy whoever disagrees with your stupidity. Its just annoying.

For lack of a better word.

Almost as annoying as when you give proof, lay it infront of someone in easy to read explanations, give them benefit of the doubt on premises of their argument in the hopes of getting a discussion that doesnt resort to name calling and comments of "butthurt".....

and it still fails

THen ask them to provide proof to support their arguments (like you know.. real discussions go), and all you get is attacks.

I would like to figure though you are agreeing with me, however with your past history with me and the fact i am on the other side of this topic from you, I doubt it. However though hard to tell cause, people are "berating and annoying me cause i disagree with their stupdity". Hard to navigate these waters.

IB should be reverted to full damage, no CD, but cost 10 focus.
Reasons:
-it would make it viable in pvp again, and for those complaining of focus issues, either learn to manage focus or there are pots and an ISS dedicated to focus regen…trust me, a stack of focus potions costs less than a stack of heros or candy…and if u find an alchemist trying to lvl their skill, u can prolly get them for free…
-would keep IB spammable, but just at higher cost…p/s would have to learn how to mix other skills in, but IB will still be there for emergencies…
-it would not affect pve-questing that much, due to the low focus cost, and old spammability. Yes, priests would not be killing large groups, or as fast as they used to, but the burst dps is still there. If you run out of focus, standing still out of combat, it takes less than a minute to regen full focus.
If you have other concerns, I will try to address them in responses…
Ok, that was useful, happy now?

Quoted from "Cike;596899"

IB should be reverted to full damage, no CD, but cost 10 focus.
Reasons:
-it would make it viable in pvp again, and for those complaining of focus issues, either learn to manage focus or there are pots and an ISS dedicated to focus regen…trust me, a stack of focus potions costs less than a stack of heros or candy…and if u find an alchemist trying to lvl their skill, u can prolly get them for free…
-would keep IB spammable, but just at higher cost…p/s would have to learn how to mix other skills in, but IB will still be there for emergencies…
-it would not affect pve-questing that much, due to the low focus cost, and old spammability. Yes, priests would not be killing large groups, or as fast as they used to, but the burst dps is still there. If you run out of focus, standing still out of combat, it takes less than a minute to regen full focus.
If you have other concerns, I will try to address them in responses…
Ok, that was useful, happy now?

Good THIS is what i was looking for !
- First point... all true and i have said here before i 10000% agree with all pvp arguments and i like you mixed in it branching into other skills

-Second point- I actually like that arguement, that was a question i have asked an no one responded to till you. Ok so it isnt that PVE is broken, but it is more forgiving this way. I can see that. Still have to learn a rotation, but not as bad.

-Third point- I just wonder with 10 focus will it be too high too low, etc, Dont want PVE to be worse off than it is now. Which is something that i have tried addressing. If you run outta focus on a big mob you will be forced to other skills, so it isnt that IB was NEEDED for PVE. Which no one was willing to agree with.

Very good points and you are the first one to admit that a rotation would still be needed, so not removing that requirement. You are the first one to admit some of those things. Every other poster just said "i want it spammable cause that is how i killed"

Thank you for not rehashing the "tag lines of the class", and i thin your post is one of the better supported arguements i have seen here.

as a general rule, i'd say take the average number of IB's it takes to kill a mob, and divide 100 by that number, and that is the focus cost. pretty much make it such that if you ONLY used IB, you will run out of focus, but if you use other skills, the focus will be conserved for the next kill. and only using IB and draining focus actually isn't that bad...you still have an entire mana pool with healing skills, so it's like you are in danger of dying like a dps class if you can't kill the mobs quick.

plus, you have another attack(as nonviable as it may be), so if you really do run out of focus, then yeah, u have to rely on RT, but if you are the on that ran into the fight with 1/3 focus, then that's ur fault, then u just kill the mob with RT, and wait while u regen full focus before going to the next mob.

like i said, in pvp and pve-dps, and pvp-questing, focus management is entirely different. you just need to get used to it. in pvp, you are constantly running and fighting, so focus regen will be harder, and you would need to be smarter about how you use it, or get pots. pve-dps will not be an issue, which, i think most everybody will agree, p/s is a not a dps class(yeah, i pushed it in a mold, but imo, p/s wouldn't be the most viable dps anyways, but i may be wrong). questing will be relevant tho, and like i have stated before, when questing, there is more downtime/transportation time, you are not in a rush all the time, and less actual fighting, so focus regen should not be the biggest problem. if needed, get a dps to quest with you(yeah, more class stereotypes) just to get the quests done faster. heck, i play a dps toon, and i still like to quest with people, just because 2 people killing mobs is twice as fast as 1 person killing mobs, even though i can pretty much 1-2 shot all the quest mobs i need.

the point is, p/s will have the ability to perform in pvp like it did(if played by a skilled and intelligent player), and still retain the ability to quest alone in a timely fashion. no it will not be the 1 button spam it was, but it wills till be a relatively hard hitting(for a priest) instant, spammable skill

Quoted from "Cike;596903"

as a general rule, i'd say take the average number of IB's it takes to kill a mob, and divide 100 by that number, and that is the focus cost. pretty much make it such that if you ONLY used IB, you will run out of focus, but if you use other skills, the focus will be conserved for the next kill. and only using IB and draining focus actually isn't that bad...you still have an entire mana pool with healing skills, so it's like you are in danger of dying like a dps class if you can't kill the mobs quick.

plus, you have another attack(as nonviable as it may be), so if you really do run out of focus, then yeah, u have to rely on RT, but if you are the on that ran into the fight with 1/3 focus, then that's ur fault, then u just kill the mob with RT, and wait while u regen full focus before going to the next mob.

like i said, in pvp and pve-dps, and pvp-questing, focus management is entirely different. you just need to get used to it. in pvp, you are constantly running and fighting, so focus regen will be harder, and you would need to be smarter about how you use it, or get pots. pve-dps will not be an issue, which, i think most everybody will agree, p/s is a not a dps class(yeah, i pushed it in a mold, but imo, p/s wouldn't be the most viable dps anyways, but i may be wrong). questing will be relevant tho, and like i have stated before, when questing, there is more downtime/transportation time, you are not in a rush all the time, and less actual fighting, so focus regen should not be the biggest problem. if needed, get a dps to quest with you(yeah, more class stereotypes) just to get the quests done faster. heck, i play a dps toon, and i still like to quest with people, just because 2 people killing mobs is twice as fast as 1 person killing mobs, even though i can pretty much 1-2 shot all the quest mobs i need.

the point is, p/s will have the ability to perform in pvp like it did(if played by a skilled and intelligent player), and still retain the ability to quest alone in a timely fashion. no it will not be the 1 button spam it was, but it wills till be a relatively hard hitting(for a priest) instant, spammable skill

Ok you have convinced me, all my worries about focus cost breaking PVE are gone. I am now on the focus cost band wagon. Not because "this nerf killed PVE", not because "i almost die to mobs now", but because it does seem like a good fit, especially if the focus cost is derived this way.

This is the type of suggestion and how it is worded, and structured the best way to submit it to RW in hopes to get it changed. All the 28 pages before it has not been laid out in such a good form.

The answer to why a focus cost: makes the class viable to pvp, while not making it a one button wonder class and adds a level of skill

Quoted from "Dkjester;596908"

Ok you have convinced me, all my worries about focus cost breaking PVE are gone. I am now on the focus cost band wagon. Not because "this nerf killed PVE", not because "i almost die to mobs now", but because it does seem like a good fit, especially if the focus cost is derived this way.

This is the type of suggestion and how it is worded, and structured the best way to submit it to RW in hopes to get it changed. All the 28 pages before it has not been laid out in such a good form.

the ONLY worry i have with focus cost this way is that it could make it so low for pvp that it is essentially no better than a mana cost...i said 10, but i don't think 1 bit that the cost should go below 8ish, that would just be way too spammable, and barely any cost at all...

it may have to be adjusted a bit, but the cost should be low enough that it is not useless for questing, but high enough that it discourages constant spamming in both pve and pvp, which, would be the entire debate...

as i have stated i do not actually play p/s, and this is entire based of my experience with focus management with scout, so if somebody would like to provide a better # for the focus cost, i would be all ears...

also, if my logic is flawed somewhere, please point it out...

Quoted from "Cike;596910"

the ONLY worry i have with focus cost this way is that it could make it so low for pvp that it is essentially no better than a mana cost...i said 10, but i don't think 1 bit that the cost should go below 8ish, that would just be way too spammable, and barely any cost at all...

it may have to be adjusted a bit, but the cost should be low enough that it is not useless for questing, but high enough that it discourages constant spamming in both pve and pvp, which, would be the entire debate...

as i have stated i do not actually play p/s, and this is entire based of my experience with focus management with scout, so if somebody would like to provide a better # for the focus cost, i would be all ears...

also, if my logic is flawed somewhere, please point it out...

I actually dont think it is flawed but if someone else has another idea i think they should. PVP always changes things... I dont think they could affect the focus cost when only used in pvp... Well maybe they have the ability for certain skills to have different effects, maybe not different costs. Maybe a "buff/debuff" in siege to alter focus costs.... or alternately tweak focus regen in pvp if possible...

Quoted from "Borella;596834"

or hell a guild entirely of P/S's

I've seen several guilds with an equal division of 50% P/S and 50% R/S (before everyone jumped the R/M bandwagon and P/S got nerfed). But I have seen 1 guild with only 1 non P/S, and that was a R/S (again, before all this happened). No Fraps though, I only get 6 FPS in SW already, I gave up on Fraps when I heard it lowers FPS

Quoted from "Dkjester;596879"

Problem is RW musta tested it

You put way too much faith in Runewaker.

And seriously, just go with Cloaked's fix and nerf IB damage by 30% against players, but let it be spammable again. I'd much rather fight a P/S than all the P/M everyone is rerolling to. Becuase P/M is much harder to fight 1 vs 1 than a P/S ever was since IWB hits twice and usually one shots me, whereas much fewer P/S are able to one shot me with IB.

Quoted from "Dkjester;596911"

I actually dont think it is flawed but if someone else has another idea i think they should. PVP always changes things... I dont think they could affect the focus cost when only used in pvp... Well maybe they have the ability for certain skills to have different effects, maybe not different costs. Maybe a "buff/debuff" in siege to alter focus costs.... or alternately tweak focus regen in pvp if possible...

not saying it should have different costs, or change anything else, just trying to say the cost has to provide a balance between pve and pvp, as in not infinitely spammable like people want for pve, but not such a high cost it's impractical to even use in pvp

pretty much a cost that allows a p/s to kill 1 mob without too much difficulty, but cannot spam it in SW with no cost

imo, 10 would be about right, that gives you 10 hits in a row, and assuming each player in SW gets 2-3 shot, they can only burn through 3-4 players until they need to either retreat, use a pot, or stand there waiting for focus regen, which in pvp, is not a good situation to be in. and this is assuming that the players are 2-3 shot(not sure actual #, some1 may want to correct me), and no farming balloons along the way...

how many hits with IB does it take to kill a mob while questing? and how about RT? is 10 IB's +2 RT's enough to kill a mob?

Quoted from "ruisen2000;596912"

I've seen several guilds with an equal division of 50% P/S and 50% R/S (before everyone jumped the R/M bandwagon and P/S got nerfed). But I have seen 1 guild with only 1 non P/S, and that was a R/S (again, before all this happened). No Fraps though, I only get 6 FPS in SW already, I gave up on Fraps when I heard it lowers FPS

Top siege guilds? If you look at PPK, Bteam, Heretic, etc. None of them have (had) a ton of P/S. PPK's top people are Rogues, Bteam's are Scouts/Wardens, Heretic's are S/wdn's and Wardens again. If it was as OP in PvP as everyone thought it was you'd think the top siege guilds would have had a bunch of them, or that they'd be the top killers in those guilds, but it never was that way. Only OP P/S I ever saw was Heelbert.

You put way too much faith in Runewaker.

Don't we all?

​Bold.

"You put way too much faith in Runewaker.

Don't we all? "

My head actually sank and i thought to myself.....


We do

Quoted from "Dkjester;596891"

why cause i disagreed? People arent allowed to not agree?

See what i mean... that mentality.

"you said i am wrong therefore you killed this thread"

According to you:

Quoted from "Dkjester;596891"

Now I would like to ask the forum moderators and CMs, that anyone disagreeing with me have their posts removed

So yes, you're not allowed to disagree

Quoted from "ruisen2000;596919"

According to you:


So yes, you're not allowed to disagree

/facepalm
we are going backwards...

Quoted from "Cike;596920"

/facepalm
we are going backwards...

meme, I'm sorry... But I just had to point that out, because it was really funny lol.

Now please continue with your constructiveness

/retreats into my hidey hole.