Runes of Magic US / AU

Where is the option in the poll for "no change needed"? Kinda hard to vote without all the options listed

Quoted from "kakita01;595255"

I think it is pretty simple they did what they did to P/S because it got so popular. And I think it pretty much shows that over the years RoM nerfs any class that pretty much bases it's entire build around one skill......Preist GH was nerfed, S/K Disarmament was nerfed and now returned to ranged dmg.
Just look at the nerfs they have done to classes over the years and you will see that they certainly do not want any build to be done around one simple skill.

Focus cost or mana drain on Iceblade would have been sufficient but it seems they felt it was better to bring it in line with the other priest elite skills.

First off, there are far fewer P/S players than there ever were Scout primary class players. When was the last time (or even the *first* time) you know of that a party of six P/S players cleared RT Diamond?

The *only* reason why Ice Blades was eviscerated in the way it was is due to far too many physical DPS epeen-polishers complaining as loudly and often as they could that their precious feelings were hurt for one hour a day. The *same* epeen-polishers were, however, more than happy to include a P/S into their near-endgame and endgame instance runs, but just so long as they knew their place--as healers only.

Hypocrites, every last one of them.

As an aside, I decided to go into Siege last night on P/S. We did win (yay team!), but I performed support scutwork around the castle until we'd managed to take and solidify the middle zone. Once that was accomplished, I was able to be somewhat more useful in farming balloons there, so I could collect merits for buff upgrades.

It certainly wasn't as satisfying as Siege was prior to the patch that emasculated my class.

Quoted from "Dkjester;595156"

Do you consider "familiar with" better than "no clue at all"


if yes point is served

but actually wdn/w 90k health 180k buffed pdef with 10k pdmg w/wdn with the same
d/s with 60k hp and 6k cam flowers, with is also a d/m with same hp and 30k ma attk
m/w m/p w/m with 65k base m attk with 80k hp
p/k with 105k hp, 145k crit gh, p/s with 101k hp with almsot the same gh
another p/k with almost the same stats
w/k with 24k pdmg 142k base health and 130k pdef base, k/w same gear stats, more pdef
s/p with 80k hp and 56k base pattk, s/m same
m/s with 46k ma attk, 54k hp base, m/p with same which also was the p/s with same stats
r/s with 50k hp, 45k pattk, s/r with same
r/w with same stats as above and another s/r, but also was a s/p
p/r with 30k hp, and 20k ma attk

but here are just classes and levels
77/70 wdn/w
77k/77w
77p/77s/77m
77m/70p/70w
77p/57k/50s
77r/77w/62s
77r/70s
77d/70s/60m
71k/70r
all of these has other classes in the past. With the cheapness of stats it is easy to be... decently geared



all more the 7 months of experience each

those are the ones off the top of my head.... think i am "familiar enough"?

i mean i know you dont like me but considering the classes i can name it is far better than "i have always played k/p/s" Even you HAVE to admit it even if you do love Zid

Out of those, which of the following meet:

Quoted from "Ravesden;595123"

geared, and regeared each and every one of those toons, know their damage/healing/aggro formulas, ran them at end game (or near it, whatever), and spent a couple of months on each individual class.

I see less than satisfactory geared toons from what you mention. Which is fine - play the game how you want, its there to played that way.

But to claim that you're informed, or an expert, or any type of the sort - No. Just, no.

No comment about the countless dps priest/healing "classes" of other MMO's. I thought the dual class system was to support hybrids? Or does the community only back them when they don't work?

Never said I didn't like you. Fact is, I don't know you. I just seem to be disagreeing with the majority of your viewpoints.
But you're correct, I do like Zid. In-game, hes selfless, genuinely nice, and willing to help almost anyone in need. But, like I don't know you - you don't know him.

Quoted from "Ravesden;595339"

Out of those, which of the following meet:

I see less than satisfactory geared toons from what you mention. Which is fine - play the game how you want, its there to played that way.

But to claim that you're informed, or an expert, or any type of the sort - No. Just, no.

No comment about the countless dps priest/healing "classes" of other MMO's. I thought the dual class system was to support hybrids? Or does the community only back them when they don't work?

Never said I didn't like you. Fact is, I don't know you. I just seem to be disagreeing with the majority of your viewpoints.
But you're correct, I do like Zid. In-game, hes selfless, genuinely nice, and willing to help almost anyone in need. But, like I don't know you - you don't know him.

I sent my arguement to you in a PM instead of here. After posting, i figured it is better to take it to PMs, cause after all Zidlef doesnt want derailment.

All i will put is, you comment on my amount of being "informed" yet you didnt commen if it made me more informed then Zidlef. I didnt say expert i said "familiar with... i quoted it a few times too.

Guess I'll jump into the game for a few mins to sell off my gear and what ever items I have left.

This game has gone to S#&%

Any new players reading this....save your money.
Any investment you make in this game is wasted money and they can Screw your build up at any time....this goes for any class.

The END

Quoted from "turboreaper666;595469"

Guess I'll jump into the game for a few mins to sell off my gear and what ever items I have left.

This game has gone to S#&%

Any new players reading this....save your money.
Any investment you make in this game is wasted money and they can Screw your build up at any time....this goes for any class.

The END

Depends on whether or not you are a dumdum who can't manage his gold

This game CAN be very fun if you work at it in the correct way

and LOL did you just pick a random thread? :p or did you think you were being on-topic

Quoted from "turboreaper666;595469"

Guess I'll jump into the game for a few mins to sell off my gear and what ever items I have left.

This game has gone to S#&%

Any new players reading this....save your money.
Any investment you make in this game is wasted money and they can Screw your build up at any time....this goes for any class.

The END

I wouldnt say to quit. If you are statted for magical dmg and are a p/s, thus on topic you could try a p/m or any mage build without losing all the money on your gear. At least with casters we all wear cloth. Not like playing a Warrior, getting nerfed and having to buy all leather gear for rogue/scout, etc. Or Knights who got a huge hit ... plate goes to almost no other class. w/k, wd/w excluded (only i can think off of the top of my head).

There is a chance this thread will make them rethink the idea that you are mad about it. I dont think it NEEDs to be changed back. I think a lot of people want it. The only good suggestion i have seen for a "fix" has been the half dmg for pvp. Course if they do that i dont think the people here complaining will stop complaining because i think most went p/s for pvp-a-bility.

There is a chance though they could change it, like the mana % thing. So i wouldnt say to stop until you see this movement has not succeeded....


Even though i would point out Scouts havent gotten anywhere on getting some of the nerf reversed.

Quoted from "Dkjester;595484"

Even though i would point out Scouts havent gotten anywhere on getting some of the nerf reversed.

scouts are also not completely useless.

Quoted from "Borella;595489"

scouts are also not completely useless.

Indeed, i dont see where i said that. Just like p/s are not completely useless

All I said is they have been fruitless on getting their nerf reversed.....

Maybe i am just not getting what point you are trying to push... i mean could be that you are saying:

1) i said scouts are useless..... which i didnt
2) you think p/s nerf made p/s useless, unlike scouts... which is untrue
3) some unsuccessful attempt to try to prove me wrong on something in some way ... which lol

Maybe you have an obsession problem now?

Quoted from "RoMunited;595472"

Depends on whether or not you are a dumdum who can't manage his gold

This game CAN be very fun if you work at it in the correct way

and LOL did you just pick a random thread? :p or did you think you were being on-topic

Not a random thread, no.
and i know all to well about this game and how to play it. It's not my first day at the rodeo.
If you need anymore info on "why" in this thread....do a name search in the forums of my signature.
The rest should be self explanatory

Quoted from "Dkjester;595506"

Indeed, i dont see where i said that. Just like p/s are not completely useless

All I said is they have been fruitless on getting their nerf reversed.....

Maybe i am just not getting what point you are trying to push... i mean could be that you are saying:

1) i said scouts are useless..... which i didnt
2) you think p/s nerf made p/s useless, unlike scouts... which is untrue
3) some unsuccessful attempt to try to prove me wrong on something i never said... which failed

Maybe you have an obsession problem now?

You we comparing priest/scout (which is now completely useless for damage and pvp in general), to the scout nerf. Big difference is that scouts are still very very good in pvp and viable in pve, unlike p/s.

Anyone who claims the P/S nerf is nothing because scouts were nerfed harder...obviously doesn't know the P/S combination. Scouts weren't made completely useless. Did the nerf hit them hard? Yeah, probably a bit harder than was needed, as most have said at one point or another. But scouts still exist both in PvE and PvP (and some scout combos in PvP are seriously powerful), viable for both.

P/S, on the other hand...had two roles. One was if you'd taken up P/S as a healer combo (not common, didn't have too many elites to help with heals pre-60/70s). The other was if you'd statted as a mage or used /S just for questing purposes for faster kills. Neither of those are viable now, not in PvE and certainly as hell not in PVP.

Seriously, have some of the most OP P/S use CoL on you and see how hard it hits. That's what everyone keeps telling P/S to use when IB is on cooldown, yet...the damage it does is truly abysmal in comparison. For a channeled skill that can get interrupted with a single hit, it should be more effective than shoving a kitten at someone. It might as well not exist at all.

Quoted from "Dkjester;595484"

I wouldnt say to quit. If you are statted for magical dmg and are a p/s, thus on topic you could try a p/m or any mage build without losing all the money on your gear. At least with casters we all wear cloth. Not like playing a Warrior, getting nerfed and having to buy all leather gear for rogue/scout, etc. Or Knights who got a huge hit ... plate goes to almost no other class. w/k, wd/w excluded (only i can think off of the top of my head).

There is a chance this thread will make them rethink the idea that you are mad about it. I dont think it NEEDs to be changed back. I think a lot of people want it. The only good suggestion i have seen for a "fix" has been the half dmg for pvp. Course if they do that i dont think the people here complaining will stop complaining because i think most went p/s for pvp-a-bility.

There is a chance though they could change it, like the mana % thing. So i wouldnt say to stop until you see this movement has not succeeded....

You obviously don't know Shadowlaw. I do. He's a former guildie of mine and one of the best, if not the best P/S on Osha. He's been disenchanted with RoM for some time but was hanging in there. But cutting the head off Ice Blades has apparently convinced him to just give it up.

One of the problems you seem to have is that you think someone can just re-roll a class, take up a new one, and everything's good. I'm here to tell you that it's not. I dropped the Rogue class I had to take on Mage. That class is now sitting at level 58, and unless I'm willing to plug away day after day, doing butterfly or dog meat daily quests (and burning a couple of DRTs to speed things along), it's going to be a *long* time before I can get Mage to level 75 so I can use *all* of the gear I have for the Priest side--also level 75.

Not whining or complaining. Just setting the record straight on the relative "goodness" of re-rolling for a now-broken class.

Thanks, Runewaker. Please don't do me any other favors, mmmkay?

Quoted from "turboreaper666;595508"

Not a random thread, no.
and i know all to well about this game and how to play it. It's not my first day at the rodeo.
If you need anymore info on "why" in this thread....do a name search in the forums of my signature.
The rest should be self explanatory

Sorry to hear you're finally leaving, but I knew the rapage would force your hand. As I whispered to you in-game this past evening, you're still my hero, O Weapon of Mass Distraction.

BTW, your sig doesn't show your class combo. You must have changed it somewhere along the line.

Quoted from "RoMunited;595472"

Depends on whether or not you are a dumdum who can't manage his gold

This game CAN be very fun if you work at it in the correct way

and LOL did you just pick a random thread? :p or did you think you were being on-topic

He wasn't being random, and is actually on topic. He became well enough known in his time here to us old timers. See you later turbo. I can not blame you in any way. I walked away over a year ago, and only recently returned to play very, very casually. I had no intentions of ever coming back, but missed a few people.

Thinking of which, I miss the old forums... where all the evil forum trolls were at least united in what we moaned about. Nemecis, FencerSuzuki, myself, littlefeather, and a few others that have gone the way of the dodo... I'm pretty sure I am the last holdout of the "old men" on the forums. (Old men gripe and complain, so even if you have been here awhile, you may not be in the "old men" group, sorry.)

Quoted from "Borella;595511"

You we comparing priest/scout (which is now completely useless for damage and pvp in general), to the scout nerf. Big difference is that scouts are still very very good in pvp and viable in pve, unlike p/s.

P/s is just as viable in PvE as other priest classes, P/M is still pretty viable... as i see you have gone and switched to that. So we arent talking about a nerf that affected ALL priests like with the scouts, it affected ALL of them. Everyone says it ruined P/s PVE... so what does P/R, P/K, P/W do for PVE? I would say P/K and P/R are still worse dmg then P/s even after the nerf. Scouts were top DPS and nerfed to the bottom. Priests were never the tops DPS and p/s is still effective for PVE, you just have to use more then just Iceblade. Saying rising tied being a long cast and therefore useless for PvE... Isnt flame good for PvE?

The arguement that it ruins them for PvE is just a false narative that keeps getting used in hopes to get the spammable IB back.

PVP i will agree, P/S was highly nerfed in PvP. Now they are more in line with other priests as far as PVP ability. P/K PvP vs P/S PvP now is more in line, and as you have demonstrated with your sig, P/M was a suitable replacement for you for P/S.

So that is a false narative. That is the point i am making.

Would you be ok with half PVP damage on IB? But spammable?

Statistically should be better then 3 second cool down.

Quoted from "SkyFyre;595537"

He wasn't being random, and is actually on topic.

On-topic would be part of the discussion about what could be done to iceblade not that he quit because of it, sucks that it was the reason, but off-topic

I mostly had a prob about how he is telling new players not to play, the off-topic part not so much

Quoted from "Dkjester;595540"

Priests were never the tops DPS and p/s is still effective for PVE, you just have to use more then just Iceblade. Saying rising tied being a long cast and therefore useless for PvE... Isnt flame good for PvE?

How many mages do you know that spam Flame at mobs when they're just questing?

Quoted from "Malignatus;595531"

One of the problems you seem to have is that you think someone can just re-roll a class, take up a new one, and everything's good. I'm here to tell you that it's not. I dropped the Rogue class I had to take on Mage. That class is now sitting at level 58, and unless I'm willing to plug away day after day, doing butterfly or dog meat daily quests (and burning a couple of DRTs to speed things along), it's going to be a *long* time before I can get Mage to level 75 so I can use *all* of the gear I have for the Priest side--also level 75.

Why not just go P/M? Much easier than going Mage primary. Level 60 will be adequate for mage, no need to grind to 75.

Quoted from "effervescent;595547"

How many mages do you know that spam Flame at mobs when they're just questing?

Bad timing on this one lol. With Merhdin Tundra mobs having 250k+, and several over 600k+, quite a few

Nerf p/s moar for even bringing this up.

Quoted from "Dkjester;595540"

P/s is just as viable in PvE as other priest classes, P/M is still pretty viable... as i see you have gone and switched to that. So we arent talking about a nerf that affected ALL priests like with the scouts, it affected ALL of them. Everyone says it ruined P/s PVE... so what does P/R, P/K, P/W do for PVE? I would say P/K and P/R are still worse dmg then P/s even after the nerf. Scouts were top DPS and nerfed to the bottom. Priests were never the tops DPS and p/s is still effective for PVE, you just have to use more then just Iceblade. Saying rising tied being a long cast and therefore useless for PvE... Isnt flame good for PvE?

The arguement that it ruins them for PvE is just a false narative that keeps getting used in hopes to get the spammable IB back.

PVP i will agree, P/S was highly nerfed in PvP. Now they are more in line with other priests as far as PVP ability. P/K PvP vs P/S PvP now is more in line, and as you have demonstrated with your sig, P/M was a suitable replacement for you for P/S.

So that is a false narative. That is the point i am making.

Would you be ok with half PVP damage on IB? But spammable?

Statistically should be better then 3 second cool down.

Lol. Yeah cause every mage goes around using just flame in pve. No aoe, no instants.

More in line with p/k? You've got to be joking. When it comes to healing in pvp (and that's all p/s is good for now), a p/s is 10x worse than a p/k. Nobody in their right mind would choose to heal in pvp on a p/s if they have the option of p/k.

half pvp damage would make it less useless, though it wasn't op in the first place.