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Thursday, May 9th 2013, 2:37pm

The time I joined there was a big ad in PC Gamer it brought in a lot of new players. Until that ad I did not know this game existed. My friends who play MMORPGs have only heard about the game through me and consider it a small cult game not a true MMORPG. There is little or no information about this game out there.
There are a lot of people out there that want to play a "free" game but don't know ROM exists. They had an article on the news last night saying WOW lost 1.2 million subscribers last quarter. I think with a decent advertising blitz they could collect a good number of them. The lure of no subscriptions is hard to resist.

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Thursday, May 9th 2013, 4:21pm

Quoted from "RoMage;600480"

First of all, I never said I want Cedric back. While it lasted, I used it as price offset, I purchase dias, but had feeling getting something in return (Cedric), making whole cash shop more accessible. Did some purchases I would never do if there was no Cedric. I am fine without him, would still buy dias, but only once I feel I get enough in return for them. I am not F2P, but GF is trying to move me in that direction and it is doing a good job at it...

See, the problem with you and similar folks (like rustyx) is that you guys are taking those prices for granted - never changing. Some of prices never changed from CH1, and while they might work with huge population, today population is much smaller, there is dozen of similar games on the market, and GF has to think a good ways to make them look more competitive.

Having whole cash shop expensive as it is... we all know how many new gamers stay here... We see it every day.

Just think about it... both transport runes and daily reset tickets are NO tangible goods, it does not take them money to make them, yet they would make huge difference on population of this MMO, allowing people to advance and crash less - solving 2-3 problems by making 2 items cheap - prove me wrong.

Cheap 1-2 DIAS Daily Reset Ticket - option for players to change easier class (less expensive) will result in higher sale from people who are not even thinking to buy them at this outrages price.

Here is a bit calculation for you...

Let's use my third class as example. I am almost L56 on third, so to get to level cap I need a bit more then 955 million XP. Ways I can do that - do fly raid every day until L68/69, switch to better daily in AKOR. In the process, GF will not see single dollar from me, as I would not get any ticket even if discounted at 60%. Here is why.

To move from L56 to L69, I need 494M XP, or ~183 ticket to do fly or simillar in XP quest.
To move from L69 to 77 , I need another 462M XP, or ~140 ticket with better dailies in AKOR and higher area.

323 tickets, or at regular price 12,597 dias. If you get best deal in DIAS shop (3150 DIAS for 99), that is approximately 400 dollars for ONE class move from L56 to L77 with daily reset tickets. If you lucky and get dias at 100% and get DRT at 50% off, you still talking about 100 dollars JUST FOR DRT for one class.

Interesting, you find my recommended price outrageous, but current price is not outrageous?!

In short, I will not (and I am not, as that is my option) pay that kind of money just to get one of my classes to level cap. I WILL not (and again, I never did, nor planning to at this price) purchase any DRT for my alts either, just because of this numbers. It is too expensive.

Now, if I was offered DRT at price opf 1 DIAS when on sale, I would do my main (all 77) and at least 5 playable alts, each of them spending about 400 dias per class, and be able to try them, in the process generating GF revenue. All that revenue is missed just because I as many others find that a bit overpriced.

DO you need more price calculations, as how much each of these character cost atm to gear?

Question is, why making it too expensive to progress, and how do you plan to keep new players, even if they go trough tremendous process of downloading and installing the game if they just take calculator and find this game more expensive then any other game currently available?

Just to add to above, being close to end game (but not end game), I might make enough gold to get me ticket/two per day, but because of my understanding how much it really costs, I decide not to do that.

One more thing - adding new zone for L55 to L66 does not necessarily will help GF in making money. Fixing existing (like moving Butcher into garden, making it easier to complete quest) and offering items at proposed prices will..

This will also solve issue of DogMeat boters/farmers.

And yes, 3 alts in under 15 minutes FLY raid... really? Will log in onto arthemis, so that you can show me how...




This!

This is how I feel atm. For me, game is unreasonably expensive. Spending 200-300 dollars every 6-12 months just to regear, couple hundreds if I like to try some other class combo... renting all bags and bank slots on the top of that... even spaces inside house I paid for plan and did not come with any extra free space... seriously?


YET ANOTHER EDIT: I know, Fann would be proud of me... very Fann-like post... I must have fannitis... :) dangerous... :)


you spend all this time coming up with a "it is too expensive to reroll classes" I have a one sentence answer to your wall of text.

Roll another character.

Explaination: you get 3 classes without having fruit of forgetting. You get new quests and the need for daily resets are far less needed if needed at all. That takes all that whining about "trying a new class" and throws it out the window. You dont need resets to try a new class combo... Hence why i have 11 70+ characters.

Fly party. It is easy, mounts (which you can get from rental tickets, 7 day vouchers, and even the mini games)- guild castle speed buff (only like 1 k gold), all set to follow and a good computer. Run them all at the same time, only one needs to be geared enough to kill fast. Done. 1.5 min per daily start to hand in. x10- 15 minutes. WHen double exp was up i went form 50-63 in two days with resets, and wasnt there all day and i was running two chars. I never thought i would see people complain about how long the fly party takes..... but i guess people get spoiled with Rorzan and up dailes and then complain when wanting to level a second class/character. Never mind that 266k per daily for a level 50 is almost the same as the rorzans 273k for only 69+ characters. I mean really you are gonna complain about how long it takes to do a daily that is the equivalent of a level 69 daily? well they are 71, but you can do at 69. No one is forcing you to buy from botters, if you wanna drive the botters outta business, quit buying. After all though, look at what happened with golden eggs, botters go bye bye, prices shoot up. I mean i dont like botters, i dont buy dog meat, but if they ban all those botters or "fix" them, it will be 3-4x the price for dog meats in no time. Plus it takes FAR longer to farm 100 dog meats then run fly party... So no botters, higher price, you will just be running fly anyway, if you arent already. NPC doesnt need to be moved, it isnt like it takes an hour to do dailies, and you dont have to be geared even thanks to the party. I think it is fine the way it is.

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Thursday, May 9th 2013, 4:54pm

As long as you don't roll class that requires secondary leveled as well, then your suggestion might work, and I don't need help to re-roll, but I am giving suggestions what would motivate me to spend RL money on this game.

Not sure if you know, but game has enough quests only for 1 class, mentioned here and there in this topic more then once.

I have alt with galloping gale, guilds buff (+10%) and 65% mount, 2 seat, still not able to run fly as fast as you.... wonder why... (i know, lame player)

I kind a not sure what you are talking about golden eggs - what happened, Frogster EU made them unreasonably hard to get, not just for botters, but for players as well, and after they made them un-traidable, price actually dropped to zero sold/zero price. IMHO, worst mover on their side...

I am not buying anything from botters or legitimate dog meat farmers, and they are not bothering me, actually they are making my life easier clearing path to garden. Still moving Butcher to garden would solve more then one thing, and small expense to GF.

Do you have any constructive idea how GF can make more money, while making paying customers more happy? With your current suggestions, I don't see how is that done... How they can attract more players and make game more affordable??

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Thursday, May 9th 2013, 10:15pm

Quoted from "RoMage;600502"

As long as you don't roll class that requires secondary leveled as well, then your suggestion might work, and I don't need help to re-roll, but I am giving suggestions what would motivate me to spend RL money on this game.

Not sure if you know, but game has enough quests only for 1 class, mentioned here and there in this topic more then once.

I have alt with galloping gale, guilds buff (+10%) and 65% mount, 2 seat, still not able to run fly as fast as you.... wonder why... (i know, lame player)

I kind a not sure what you are talking about golden eggs - what happened, Frogster EU made them unreasonably hard to get, not just for botters, but for players as well, and after they made them un-traidable, price actually dropped to zero sold/zero price. IMHO, worst mover on their side...

I am not buying anything from botters or legitimate dog meat farmers, and they are not bothering me, actually they are making my life easier clearing path to garden. Still moving Butcher to garden would solve more then one thing, and small expense to GF.

Do you have any constructive idea how GF can make more money, while making paying customers more happy? With your current suggestions, I don't see how is that done... How they can attract more players and make game more affordable??


Gah forums lost all of that.

Them making the eggs bound was in response to peoples cries about botting. You can logically assume they will put the same fix in for dog meat botters as they did for golden egg botters. Which in the end will only hurt the community.

I have made serveral suggestions in this thread already how to do it, better than your ideas. Fixing plussing gems, maybe some reduction in prices, a new zone etc.

New players have 2 ways to get to 50. Coa/Xaviera, old main quest line silverspring etc, and then dragonfang path which should get them to close to 50. This is then ignoring the upping of exp and gold they did for a lot of the quest zones. Have you leveled a new char since they did that? They doubled, if not more, weeping cost/Savage lands/av quests and probably more on exp amount. Making it MORE than enough. You dont have to be 70 on all classes to be able to play your character. YOu can get a good idea of a character if you are 50/50. New players can reach this with no DRT easily. Your suggestion for cheap DRT is fail for this point.

If by 50/50 they dont like the character they know for the most part what it will be like. After all they have most of their elites by this point. Heck with the new exp quests they should easily be able to get to 60 on both classes, by doing their dailies every day and doing quests. So for NEW players i think they got a pretty good way to play. They dont HAVE to even buy a mount, lots of horse rental tickets being sold for cheap, till they decide they like the char.

I doubt many new players use DRT all that much, which means your suggestion is one that fits YOU more than new players. A new zone for 55-65 or 60-70, is a far better idea than DRT. I mean you still have to do the dailies with DRTs. You shouldnt have to reset your dailies AT ALL, to level. Adding a new zone is a better fix than "cheap drts".

As to your "make a suggestion" ill now post for a 3rd time my suggestions in this thread

1) some adjustment to IS prices
2) fixing plussing gems to reduce cost of gearing
3) new zone
ill even add another
4) there is another game i wont name that has a mentoring system. If you get someone to join the game and the longer they stay, the better rewards for both you AND them. THis would drive way more new players, and even keep existing players trying to help that person so they stay.

And everyone else has said marketing, and dispelling some of the myths about the game is a good idea too...

Cheap DRTs is just something YOU want, it wouldnt help new players nearly as much as my suggestions.

Edit to add: if it takes you longer than 20 minutes for a fly party.. you are doing something VERY wrong, or your computer is too lame to load the npc, so you have to stand there and wait.

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Friday, May 10th 2013, 12:15am

it isnt that difficult to do some things.the cash shop is the biggest problem.......people dont buy diamonds unless they are on sale.this tells me that the number of diamonds needs to be reworked.i suggest 1k dias for a 20 dollar purchase at normal price.so 100% dias sale would be 2k dias for 20 bucks.
this would reduce the cost to players to obtain items from shop.if this isnt what gameforge wants to do then they need to lower shop prices by 50%.
i have lots of friends that tried this game but said they wont pay that much for things like a mount.
current prices ie: rune disk 399 dias if i remember correctly.at current it is almost 20 bucks for a mount.............this is a problem .....and it gets worse start gearing and BAM its a money pit to get gear and keep up with new stats and gear.
i used to spend 20 bucks a week (instead of buying beer),now i buy beer.
so in my first 2 years of playing i spent money on this game,with nerfs and bad sales and all around buggy game i now spend ZERO dollars a week for my last year i think i spent 60 dollars.
i do believe a cash shop revision is in order.(this very well could bring many old players back) and it would bring new players in as soon as they learned that it wasnt nearly as expensive.
this is just my opinion.
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Friday, May 10th 2013, 1:19am

If you're level 60/50 which is pretty easy to get, you can just wait for an exp bonus and have TB-MT open assuming you spend all day lvling your toon :P

50-60 doesn't take that long either if you haven't done weeping/aotulia/savage lands on your 2ndary

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Monday, May 13th 2013, 9:28am

Quoted from "10Kind53;599562"

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i think gameforge should really do a reddit post. millions of people read that site everyday. and they have a strong/diverse gaming community over there. i checked, frogster tried it 4 years ago when the game was in beta, mixed reviews,
but overall people had good things to say about the game.

there is a place millions of gamers go to everyday called steam.
you can advertise through them, they are a fantastic media outlet that give smaller developers a great advantage competing against the big dogs.

on top of that, the youtube, facebook, twitter is great.
the community can share information about this game.
social media is one of the best tools you have to promote/advertise at little to no expense.

you have many powerful tools at your disposal GF.
if you build it they will come.


Hello Gameforge.

I made this Reccomendation 2 weeks ago....
Reddit is talking about you today.
and look what is next to the OP's download client. Steam.. ^ ^
seriously take my advice. i am trying to help you.

http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/…irst_time_this/

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Monday, May 13th 2013, 5:15pm

More advertising would always help.

Fix the broken stuff would help.

In the past, putting in player recomendations for events and such greatly improved the game.
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Monday, May 20th 2013, 3:35am

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Actually we have no staff member with taking care of 20 games, got often a positive response after contact with customer support and have many players coming back with the words "Looked around and found no better game". I think this is very individual, but if not and we are the best game, sure, we always can do things better.


Uhhh...correct me if I'm wrong, but....doesn't "I looked around and found nothing better" from returning players mean "I'm not satisfied with this game, but since there is no better alternative presently, I have nothing better to do than to stick with the least-bad one available"?
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Monday, May 20th 2013, 4:39am

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Uhhh...correct me if I'm wrong, but....doesn't "I looked around and found nothing better" from returning players mean "I'm not satisfied with this game, but since there is no better alternative presently, I have nothing better to do than to stick with the least-bad one available"?


You would think so, but to GF it means "hey, we suck at this but not as bad as those other guys who offer ftp games, so good job guys!" There are quite a few things that need to be addressed and fixed in this game, but nothing else holds interest right now, so why change anything? Once something better hits, and they lose too many players, it will be too late to fix it by then and they will just close the game. But hey, they have Tera, so who cares right?

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Monday, May 20th 2013, 6:01am

Quoted from "mindlessthinker;601591"

Uhhh...correct me if I'm wrong, but....doesn't "I looked around and found nothing better" from returning players mean "I'm not satisfied with this game, but since there is no better alternative presently, I have nothing better to do than to stick with the least-bad one available"?


It usually means "that shiny green grass on the other side turned out to not so shiny or green. Or grass for that matter". Or it means "my expectations and reality had a head-on collision, and ... umm... reality won".
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Monday, May 20th 2013, 6:27am

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It usually means "that shiny green grass on the other side turned out to not so shiny or green. Or grass for that matter".

The implication being it is harder to find grass greener than a landfiill?

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Monday, May 20th 2013, 6:29am

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It usually means "that shiny green grass on the other side turned out to not so shiny or green. Or grass for that matter". Or it means "my expectations and reality had a head-on collision, and ... umm... reality won".



Some people go with the mainstream stuff like Diablo III or Gw2, but they never live up to expectations.

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Thursday, May 23rd 2013, 7:29pm

Quoted from "10Kind53;600815"

Hello Gameforge.

I made this Reccomendation 2 weeks ago....
Reddit is talking about you today.
and look what is next to the OP's download client. Steam.. ^ ^
seriously take my advice. i am trying to help you.

http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/commenhttp://forum.us.runesofmagic.com/showthread.php?t=79470&page=7ts/1e7iqo/downloading_tera_online_for_the_first_time_this/


Just thought I would post an example (for Gameforge's sake) of what is being suggested here. It's kind of coincidence that I happened to see this and that it's exactly the process that 10Kind53 described. xD At least GF could take a look and see if maybe this is something that interests them and looks do-able.
Linky: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/fi…9622/1369300529
And also they might be interested in these details: http://steamcommunity.com/workshop/about…765&section=faq
At least some of it is up to the developer, not the publisher, but since Runewaker has that new game in beta maybe they would be interested in this for both of their products.