Runes of Magic US / AU

Very likely they were people who are in 2 guilds. Possibly lost the other one about halfway in and then swapped to other characters to finish the other siege.

Just for the record, coordination of 3 characters at once would be extremely difficult to accomplish by a single person. In PVE with scripted events, it's fairly easy. But not for PVP.

That's not what dual boxing means anyway. Whatever happened, the symptoms don't fit it. You can't control multiple toons that way.

We once faced (guild name omitted), which we know is pretty OP guild. They had fair number of people in, but only one OP and one semi-OP. So we were way on a way to easy win. Then, in last 1/3 of the siege, their people who, as we later found out, were running Bedim finished the run and entered siege. :p We... umm... didn't get easy win.

Don't be so sure Rusty, a long time ago when I played Everquest there was a 3rd party program that allowed (it wasn't allowed by EQ, but it was used anyway) 1 player to control via on screen controls upto 7 other characters. One window and you could make each of your toons do different things, or all run a macro for combat. Knowing that, the tech is out there for someone to be able to do it (not saying they are or have been).

Zid ---

You can run multi clients so long as you are either controlling them yourself or they are doing some kind of AFK type activity, ie crafting, refining, ect. When it becomes illegal is when you use macros/scripts to control the second client without input from a human.

I won't say positively, but it does appear that someone was running 3 clients in siege. I've personally run 4 (my other 3 were crystal farmers) so I know you can. Also when you said they all went poof to 8 then back to 24, that sounds like disconnects. Having them all happen at the same time does suggest they were running multi clients.

Even with scripts and macros, it would seem almost impossible to even do decently well in PvP on up to 3 toons at the same time. Most people can't even do well in PvP playing 1 toon, much less 3.

Does seem weird that your opponent would all crash at the same time though, but I guess not impossible. I've seen 5 of my guildies crash at the exact same moment during siege.

The capabilities of programs and the user would make controlling 3 accounts easy. It wouldn't surprise me if a group of 6 accounts under control of a single person were running at the same time. I can think of a few ways for this to be accomplished, with custom programs to tie it together. I, however, don't think anyone in the community has the want or will to make such a thing as it would said number of accounts and not much would be obtained out of it other than entertainment value that would only be obtained by publically spreading it.

Under http://agbserver.gameforge.com/enUS-Term…s-of-Magic.html, explicitly stated is multiboxing is not allowed. This apperantly isnt the "actual" User agreement, even though the links havnt been fixed still.

So, under http://agbserver.gameforge.com/enGB-TaC-Runes-of-Magic.html , which is stated as being the "correct" t&c, does not explicily state multiboxing is not allowed. This agreement doesnt even mention multiboxing. The closes limiting phrasing is "A duplication of the client software is only permitted to the extent to which it is required for the contractual use of the software." under section 6.6 or "The user must not take measures that may cause an unreasonable or excessive load on the technical capacity." under section 7.2

The User Agreement at the start of the game references the rom homepage for the most updated agreement, so all the stuff there can be brushed off.

So: multiboxing seems allowed by not being disallowed.

You can run multiple clients, sure. I do it when running GG and having my alt on follow, I (and many others) have crystal farmer alt parked at a tower. You are supposed to do it on one box, not on several - see Proof of Magic thread which had interesting discussion on it.

But, they don't do anything as involved as active SW participation. They collect merits from towers or from balloons shot by flame towers. I switch to them once in while to check on them or participate in tower defense, then go back to main. There is no way to script that much that they could be useful in battle. At best, you can have pocket healer on follow; and anyone who has toon on follow can tell you how unreliable follow really is.

And they don't disconnect at same time either. There are cases when more than one toon disconnects, sure, most of them have to do with massive attacks on heavily flame tower fortified locations. Dozen of flames and dozen of toons at same spot tends to create chaos and it could cause 2 maybe 3 disconnects in a row during assault. Nothing on the scale Zid saw and nothing that would crash the same person. Disconnects are ROM client specific, not box specific or user specific.

It's possible that several came in off runs, but watching them fight you'd see one person attack and then go motionless for a while (of course that could be lag). Also isn't it possible to use an automated combat engine on multiple toons through each one's window? With enough practice I can see someone with 2 or 3 screens using a combat engine on each toon to make attacking and defending easier.

RustyX definitely is not the only one using multiple clients, I usually run 2 myself. One with a rogue on a tower closest to castle and one to run my main. And yes I often look stupid standing still on my main when I had to defend the tower, but i dont use any combat engines, just the good ole clicks on the screen/keyboard ;-) (and often my main gets killed when i do this.....LOL

I see many people do the same to watch gates instead of using focus, so they can stop the dreaded tornado.... or opponients using spells.

Ok this has been discussed about 2000 times on the forums and the answer has come across the same. First you have to define/identify if they are Multi-boxing, or Multi-clienting. Yes there is a major difference.

Multi-boxing is using multiple computers to run multiple clients
Multi-clienting is using one computer but multiple windows on one or more screens.
You can then combine them and be Multi-clienting on Multi-boxes.

Ok so I personally have done both. If i am at my gf's i multi client only, cause i only have my laptop there. I run 3 clients at once in siege. A rogue, a healer, and my mage. I use macros that i write in game to cut the slack of not having software to control all 3 at once. It is crude, but it works. Like the above poster, Rogue at one tower, mage being main attacker with a pocket healer.

When i am at my house i multi-box and multi-client. I have 3 rigs set up with multiple monitors, and multiple keyboards and Mice.

ALL of this is legal by Rom's rules. The reason why: I am personally using human inputs on the respective computers to make the characters act.

Once you start using control software, sometimes known as "flock" software, it is not allowed by TOS. However, How can you prove someone is doing one or the other? It would take a LOT of data to prove it. Now since the poor showing by RoM for botters, and their ability to build up any type of evidence to ban them effectively, i dont see them being able to catch, what i like to refer as, Flockers.

I hope that helps Zid. I seriously hope people arent starting to siege with flock programs. I know they exist, and i know they arent allowed. It is possible though that it could have been really good players multi-clienting, which is legit.

I have seen this before and because of poor support and lack of gms in game i am afraid it will only get worse

Quoted from "zidlef;600896"

Ok, i want to know if dual boxing or whatever it is called is allowed in ROM and in siege?

We faced a guild we were wrecking for 25 minutes, then poof they were all gone, nowhere to be seen. They were only 8 at that point, then poof they come back and have 24 in, all working in small groups of 3, and wrecking everyone. Always invisible, in or out of combat, no invisible towers, nothing.

So the only conclusion would be dual boxing, 1 toon controlling 3 others or more at once. If this is allowed in siege, i will quit going into siege, enough we have to face hackers, exploiters and cheaters.

So someone with Blue text could respond please.

And how can we prove it?, if we can'T that means that they can do whatever they want and get no issue from Gameforge. If that is the case well bye bye ROM.

TYVM

Another whiner, another loser. Fits the profile perfectly - "I got killed in siege or we lost siege, they must have been cheating"!

Quoted from "Ward;600970"

Another whiner, another loser. Fits the profile perfectly - "I got killed in siege or we lost siege, they must have been cheating"!

Another loser who insults people because he has nothing to contribute.

Not everyone was clear on the multiboxing/client regulations and this post by Zid helped clear stuff up.

Going to push the boundaries for further explanation for clarification.

If I were to make an addon that would transfer a playable GUI for a character on a different ROM client, so that I could have 2 playable set of action bars,etc, for 2 different characters on one screen, would I be breaking TOS? As the example given by Neny when it comes to giving soul bond...if I had two character, 1 DPS and a priest, would I be allowed to make a GUI that allowed me to input skills, such as soul bond or even grace of life, into action bars on my DPS's screen that I could click that would make it so that my priest would do such actions?

If not, I'd understand the reasoning to an extent, but the logic of it would conflict with that of many other addons that skip things that would otherwise be done by hand, as defined by Neny.

Quoted from "Nenysvor;600968"

It's explained already very well. You are allowed to use more than one client on one computer or more computer with one/more than one clients.

What? We've been told differently in the past...we've always been told that multiboxing is against the TOS and thus is a bannable offense, whereas multiclienting is fine. Was this rule changed at some point? If so, why was the TOS not updated to reflect the change?

@Charlie: I think that pushes the boundaries all right ) But what you describe would fall under the botting category since you would be sending a signal to another client to perform the action. Yes, YOU would initiate the action on your dps toon's toolbar, but the addon that you are describing would act as a botting tool since SOMETHING has to initiate that same action on your healer and it's not you.

I believe Neny is saying that it's okay to play w/ multiple clients whether they be on the same box or on other pc's but to perform actions on each of the clients, YOU need to initiate the action by swapping over to them. ie, zid w/ his 4 alts gathering in siege... zid needs to switch over to an alt to initiate that action & switch back to his main when someone tries to gank him.