Runes of Magic US / AU

Quoted from "Dkjester;604172"

I checked earlier today, it was 40 mil this morning. You may have lowered it. Tung under bid you every time... might be the only reason it is so low. Again an Elusive making prices lower... Didn't change that it took you THIS long to reduce your price. How long have you thought the instance was too easy? yet you kept the price high. I mean if you think that is a fair price for an "easy instance", man I wonder what you charge for a full fledged instance... which just proves my point as to fleecing, which Raves and all wanted to avoid.

I mean I have been watching gear prices since this thread start for exactly this reason.... You all claim it has nothing to do with costs, yet you posted a video about how easy it is, then minutes later world chatter "50 million for 2handed axe" which was UD.... Dood I mean really.

I only unbind what it worth money. I don't buy diamonds. I need to make use of ABLS. if its under what i think my abl's are worth, i'm not going to unbind it.

Obviously bad marketing on that axe, and everything else from there thats not OD.

Quoted from "Dkjester;604157"

Edit to add: Yeah Yomen, your right it isn't a big deal if me and everyone I know quits paying, and they pass it to their friends and on and on. The big idea is, it is NOT just one person, saying they are gonna quit. You are right, just one means nothing. It is only when we band together that it starts to matter. Endgamers think they spend enough to keep a servers up and running (including you!!!). What is your job? I hope it isn't just through your website (which I love thx! you!, so you know it is nothing about you personally). These people think they can threaten the game and you don't jump their "ish" but you just MY "ish", just cause you don't like what I am saying? You didn't make any point about these endgamers threatening to quit over "being bored" which is way worse than threatening to quit paying over "catering to F2P endgamers".

Its not about you personally either, just about your really dumb post from hours ago as i started writing the post and added way too much as kept f5-ing. The one where you basically stated "ill stop paying and tell my friends to do the same after i got into a stupid forum fight with Raves whom i consider a greedy endgamer and also because i think that Gameforge might be thinking about changing the instance although noone who has any say in that actually made a comment" A post like this could have been from someone else and still would have gotten the same reply. Simply because it its freakin stupid logic. The logic part in bold was what made me start writing the post, this was just ... dunno. Sorry its just stupid. And point c) was more or less a serious warning, there have been ppl getting 2weeks+ vacation from the forums for posting things like "do not spend any money anymore and tell all your friends" but hey its your post not mine.

And btw i do not pay anything in this game anymore, i just stated how much i did in the past for the sake of "inb4 youre free2play either" from any direction or poster. On the other hand, that is mostly because i do not even play anymore, let alone endgame. Since Aeternal Circle. Read my signature it does not say 72/x/x for no reason or me being too lazy to update it My Knight has 7k HP.
Ive played on the german server that opened in December for a month out of fun running HoS and stuff with blue questgear (and "wiping" at Andaphelmor at 6am due to getting kicked out of the instance because of the ID reset....), thats about it. My fun in Runes of Magic is digging in the client and writing up stuff and theorycrafting. My guild disbanded back at the time i retired and just came back a month ago (with zero gear - and they are the ones running for #2 on the server to clear Bethomia now, with gear far away from the top guild, and still the bosses are a freaking burn and they are like "wtf we came back for this?" even though they actually have USE for the gear! ), im still part of the guild but i resorted to being the tech guy as i run the TS3 and the forum. And sometimes its good to have people to test stuff on the servers because not everything makes sense from pure client data. Before patch6 i'd visit my server about weekly and have a chat with some ppl to keep me informed etc, not everyone has skype :p

And just for the record: we don't make money with the fansite. if at all , onlinewelten.com does (which is a part of IDG communication nowadays) . Part of their gaming news website business is giving fansites a free host and CMS and stuff. And i really doubt the advertising on the page even pays off, but rather the overall effect of getting more known and hits to their mainsite through it. I do all this for fun and because i like it. I started translating stuff from romwelten on the fly as i started discussing in the US rom forum because the results of google translate were so terrible at times that still noone would understand what was written. And linking to a german article 3 persons on the whole forum might understand didnt help either :p Hell, as i started discussing stuff here i got flamed for suggesting to use the VN set as a mage because it was too hard to get through VN with level70 .... etc

I was a student and finished my diploma in april. probably more or less the last half year now with "a lot" of free time :p

Endgamers may be quitting over this instance because these people gear up to have a challenge in instances. I mean it really is the only thing challening in this game. Take that away, whats left? So yes, its understandable. But most quit for a while and come back later. If they stay away and instances like this Bethomia hardmode are actually not a bug but a design choice, exactly this what Raves and bleedingbak described will happen with the players who will take the place of those who quit - IF AT ALL. Like i said, the guys from my guild were one year out of the game, and every other guild on the (rather well populated!) server except the best guild STILL sucks at clearing anything even though all of them bought the stuff from the highest guild all the time, they still were not able to achieve anything on their own. The game can not live off the few people who are satisfied with hunting for quest title or card rankings either when everyone else is bound to quit in the mid run because of pure boredom. I mean, Bothemia as is , is a problem from an endgamers perspective. A problem for motivation, not for the gear prices. Raves put it out clearly at the beginning of the thread, its about perspective. This instance totally sucks because it is so easy. Content updates are bound to happen usually not more than per 3-4 months. The next instance in the cycle will be a 6 man instance and the last 6 man instance that was NOT clear on day 1 was Sardo Castle, but only because it was made as hard for a 6 man instance with level67 as Grafu was for 12 with level65 and both were released at the SAME TIME. (Remember Sardo was run and cleared with RT/KT gear too, gear 5-7 levels lower than the instance ... imagine sardo run only with grafu gear if they had not been released simultansously? ........... ). Look at AC and Bedim to see whats about to be expected for a 6 man instance. This next 6man instance is bound to be worthless in terms of a challenge even NOW. And then its another 4+ months or even 7 if the next raid just comes up after the next non-chapter-chapter-whatever patch7 or whatever GF has in mind. Which MAY be a challenge. And will certainly not be, for anyone using his damn brain in the next months, under the premise that Bethomia HM is meant to be like it is atm.


These ppl thrive for challenging content, they gear up for it. Then they gear more FROM it and when they are finished they sell what they do not need. It works this way in every MMO where selling drops is possible. Now put the selling stuff aside, what is there in this game in the next 8+ months that will pose a CHALLENGE for people who like to RAID ? ...I actually do like questing, and have every zone title, but i hate the event festivals. But is not CHALLENING, just collecting. farming mobs on the other as.. of the map for a card that drops once in a million is not challenging either. See the problem for raiders? ....

AFTER ALL THAT people can start worrying that someone else may also be able to clear and pose an evil competition in gear prices or whatever crap. There is no issue with being able to sell gear or not being able to sell gear when youre not motivated to play at all

And as for stuff getting easier, im still wondering that the outrage over the siege TIMES is bigger than the outrage about shortcutting all the siege titles by more or less YEARS. But i guess everyone wants Ironblood Will :p ahyeahcookiesnstuffagain.

E: movie i was watching is over, g'night folks (not like its 03:30 here ) .

Quoted from "bleedingblak;604176"

I only unbind what it worth money. I don't buy diamonds. I need to make use of ABLS. if its under what i think my abl's are worth, i'm not going to unbind it.

Obviously bad marketing on that axe, and everything else from there thats not OD.

Dood really? You dare to bring up ABL!?!?!?! 69 diamonds, 40k a piece, which I know you don't pay more than that for, so lets say 50k, and say 75 dia for abl, which is high = 3.45 mil... and you are claiming about making money on 50 million axe? What really? Even if you were selling it for 20 million that is a what 16.55 million profit. If it is so easy...... you shouldn't need that much profit for items right? That is IF you sold it for 20, cause it surely aint up for sale right now for that price. It aint up at all. 4 mil at max for an ABL, you could make 6 mil profit off of a 10 mil item. No... you want more than a 6 mil profit even on an "easy instance. Isnt there a level 80 chest piece on artemis Right now, UD, no drilling, no plussing for 80 mil??? On an EASY instance??? If it is so easy how DARE anyone charge that?

Yomen, I know what you mean, I don't F5 anymore I use note pad to type longer posts then just paste them. heh. Well ok I think you should get money for your Rom site, cause it is the best I have seen for most games, back way back when to "Maggie the Jackcat" and if you know what that is, you get a big ole <3 . I think you are right and I dive off the deep end some times. However, when other say they wont play anymore. I know they are doing it like people that have a tech issues with any service, threatening to quit.
"I am sorry your hard drive crashed we cant get that information"
"I will just quit if you don't get me my information"
"I'll get you to the appropriate department for cancelling your account, however I am sorry they still cant recover your information"
"What? I don't want to cancel? I want my information back"
"I am sorry, when a hard drive crashes you cant get the information back"
"I WANNA CANCEL THIS SERVICE!!!!"
Well I think if people make this post, please fix this, or else. It resounds that exact dynamic. Well then I think the game needs to not just hear that "if you don't fix this I will get bored and quit", but they also need to hear "this was a step in the right direction, if you reverse it, I will stop paying". It is a valid point. If I don't see a point to them making content more available for the average gamer, and gear for the same, then I don't think it deservers my money.... They think it doesn't deserve their time.... well then I don't think it deserves my money. That is why I said what I said, course not fair to you. You did say you think it is a good step.

FYI: I think you should get money for your site

This thread is more entertaining than the new instance.

Wow, I need a new hobby, actually came back and read through 5 pages.

However, someone else seems to be in a higher need of a new hobby than I. Forum stalking is only fun for the first 10mins, *applaud for the dedication to reply every single post that has quoted you or mentioned your points in passing tho*

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: "so runewaker releases the easiest ****ing instance in the history of rom and instead of just going and farming gear, he's *****ing on the forums about prices instead.

(^ on a break from BHM and several of us are laughing about forum posts right now in party chat...thanks for the entertainment.

The problem is that it was more of a leap over the cliff than a step. If they continue this type of thing then we'll just end up like the current endgamers (bored). What do you think would be an alternative djest?

Quoted from "Dkjester;604178"

Dood really? You dare to bring up ABL!?!?!?! 69 diamonds, 40k a piece, which I know you don't pay more than that for, so lets say 50k, and say 75 dia for abl, which is high = 3.45 mil... and you are claiming about making money on 50 million axe? What really? Even if you were selling it for 20 million that is a what 16.55 million profit. If it is so easy...... you shouldn't need that much profit for items right? That is IF you sold it for 20, cause it surely aint up for sale right now for that price. It aint up at all. 4 mil at max for an ABL, you could make 6 mil profit off of a 10 mil item. No... you want more than a 6 mil profit even on an "easy instance. Isnt there a level 80 chest piece on artemis Right now, UD, no drilling, no plussing for 80 mil??? On an EASY instance??? If it is so easy how DARE anyone charge that?

Ding ding, we have a winner.

Run the instance if its so easy and you won't have to pay anything.

But again, no need to go off topic about how a f2p'er plays.

Instance needs to work, or a bigger portion of people will quit, instead of the smallest portion.

(Surprisingly enough, this guy cares about the way rom heads, and the way the middle class gets dealt with)

/spam

just for the record: thats an A in my nickname not an E. and just because i write for two im not multiple personas either

/spam

night again.

Quoted from "bleedingblak;604183"

Ding ding, we have a winner.

Run the instance if its so easy and you won't have to pay anything.

But again, no need to go off topic about how a f2p'er plays.

Instance needs to work, or a bigger portion of people will quit, instead of the smallest portion.

(Surprisingly enough, this guy cares about the way rom heads, and the way the middle class gets dealt with)

Ding Ding we have a winner gear is worth 80 mil when the instance is "too easy"? I don't get it, so you want it harder so you can charge more?.... Is that what you are ding dinging too? I love how you all say it is "off topic" to poke holes in your "wah wah wah it is too easy.... but ill sell the stuff for 80 mil for an UD piece of gear......" For real? Instance needs to work... besides the mems ... what doesn't work? Just you think you kill em faster than you would like. So what isnt "working" then? It needs to be such that only 1 % of the population can get it so that they can sell it to fuel their gaming habit? Like you said, you don't spend money on the game, right? So why should any company take your opinion over paying players? Ohh right... cause you are PPK and you think you deserve it?

You know I take back any good thing I said about you, you are just as bad as the rest of your brood of PPK. I notice you said nothing about your lie about it being up for 20 mil, then your being afk botting, and then anything else.

Quoted from "TWMXC;604180"

This thread is more entertaining than the new instance.

haven't tried new instance, but this thread is unfolding nicely...

Quoted from "Dkjester;604186"

Ding Ding we have a winner gear is worth 80 mil when the instance is "too easy"? I don't get it, so you want it harder so you can charge more?.... Is that what you are ding dinging too? I love how you all say it is "off topic" to poke holes in your "wah wah wah it is too easy.... but ill sell the stuff for 80 mil for an UD piece of gear......" For real? Instance needs to work... besides the mems ... what doesn't work? Just you think you kill em faster than you would like. So what isnt "working" then? It needs to be such that only 1 % of the population can get it so that they can sell it to fuel their gaming habit? Like you said, you don't spend money on the game, right? So why should any company take your opinion over paying players? Ohh right... cause you are PPK and you think you deserve it?

You know I take back any good thing I said about you, you are just as bad as the rest of your brood of PPK. I notice you said nothing about your lie about it being up for 20 mil, then your being afk botting, and then anything else.

Split that sixteen million between twelve people. Practically nothing. Barely enough to pay for the pots you use in an endgame instance. Of course, as usual, quit complaining about the price and get it yourself. Run it yourself and get it. It's literally that simple.

Whine whine whine whine.


And honestly, nobody cares what some random nobody who won't even show a name thinks of them.

Quoted from "Borella;604189"

Whine whine whine whine.

I believe its Wha wha wha wha

Quoted from "Borella;604189"

Split that sixteen million between twelve people. Practically nothing. Barely enough to pay for the pots you use in an endgame instance. Of course, as usual, quit complaining about the price and get it yourself. Run it yourself and get it. It's literally that simple.

Whine whine whine whine.


And honestly, nobody cares what some random nobody who won't even show a name thinks of them.

Wait, but if it is so easy... what pots do you need? I thought you said it was too easy. If it was too easy your pot cost should be next to nil right? I mean it is too easy? I mean right? or am I missing something? It is either too easy and blah blah blah... or it is hard enough to need full pots and therefore expensive.... It cant be both easy and require all these pots. You cant have it both way.

So if I am a nobody, then I am a nobody who caught you looking like a freaking idiot... NOOB.

Quoted from "Dkjester;604193"

Wait, but if it is so easy... what pots do you need? I thought you said it was too easy. If it was too easy your pot cost should be next to nil right? I mean it is too easy? I mean right? or am I missing something? It is either too easy and blah blah blah... or it is hard enough to need full pots and therefore expensive.... It cant be both easy and require all these pots. You cant have it both way.

So if I am a nobody, then I am a nobody who caught you looking like a freaking idiot... NOOB.

you realize he said they split it? and that after that they get very little?

Quoted from "Dkjester;604186"

Ding fries are done.

fixed

Quoted from "RoMunited;604194"

you realize he said they split it? and that after that they get very little?

They also didn't bring up that each boss drops 2 pieces of gear each, mean you double that per boss and then multiply it by the number of bosses since we are talking about a single piece of gear.... So that is what 6 bosses, 2 pieces of gear 12 times that which means even if they split it among 12, then multiplied by 12.... math is fun aint it.

LOL TWC I <3 you now, "I gotta burn, I gotta burn" /sarcasm off. I mean what you thought that would what... aggravate me with some doofus statement?

Edit to add, that is IF they really split the earnings.
If it is hard without pots... then if they want their "challenge" they can just not use pots right? ROFL

That axe comes off one of the bosses they claimed they 6 manned so it is really only divided among 6 people, and then pots? what craftables? Like they cost any sieging guild anything with a cook?. Wedding pots which cost P tokens? what else? I mean keep stacking it on. Crafting your own instruments, getting your own mats.. What real costs? And 16 mil* 12 items, divded among 6-12.... not a bad haul for an "easy" instance.

or its easy with pots, hard without? since they bothered to run the new instance, technically they can charge whatever the hell they want for the new gear...its not socialism....

Using what we can is what a skilled player does, providing challenging experiences is what the devs do. done and over.

Quoted from "Borella;604189"

Split that sixteen million between twelve people. Practically nothing. Barely enough to pay for the pots you use in an endgame instance.

This is exactly the reason why the players in the guild I'm in split nothing. xD If you win the item roll then it's yours and you don't have to share or split profits with anyone else...plus then there's no issues regarding pricing. For some reason it seems like guilds that have a lot of problems with people fighting amongst themselves use the "split profits" method because that's how they get everyone to agree. Or guilds with a lot of people that don't budget well so that the leader can help everyone maintain a modest cash flow.
Anyway point is I'm not surprised if prices are high on servers where the top guilds use a "split profits" method. Usually it just fuels people to sell diamonds higher in return or really any item...just a vicious circle. xD