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Friday, July 19th 2013, 7:55am

Gameforge Karlsruhe: German CM reveals what to expect from move to Karlsruhe:

The German CM Thepit is finally revealing a bit of information about what will be occuring during the next few weeks when Gameforge is being integrated into Karlsruhe, and explanations of what the causes of any delays are for bug fixes, as well as up to date information about current pressing issues, including the date that they were forwarded to Runewaker. The thread will also function as a poll to see which issues the players deem as the most pressing and in need of a fix, to which GF will try to get them fixed based on this priority list.

Though, the 2 things that caught my eye is:

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It will in the future live support in the form of IRC chat give can be reached via the forum!
No more waiting for 3 months for Support? Ohhh...

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consistent action against Bug user / gold sellers / cheater or Duper / in progress
increased presence of GMs on the servers / in progress
Not much info here, but at least enough to assume that they haven't forgotten about the issue yet.

Thread:

http://board.eu.runesofmagic.com/board40…ssung-feedback/

Google Translated version (Warning: Very losg post, prepare for tl;dr)

Spoiler Spoiler

Phase 1 or a summary / Feedback
Good evening everyone,

wow, I was actually surprised how much constructive, critical posts were made!

I get a lot of PMs from you, fansites and guilds. Special thanks at this point!
Through you, I was able to give me a rough idea what bothers you or moves the most.

Over the next 14 days there will be a list of the "Most Wanted" as Poll. There you can vote. I will convey your feedback to the product team.
After the vote, there is a so-called "fine tuning".

Then we will see what can be realized more or less of it has priority. Anyone who looks at this area, and looks at the requests, will determine where it comes up in your opinion the most.

Please keep in mind "RoM (what a pun) was NOT built in a day!"

For many problems, the developer is asked others we can safely fix.

Here is a brief summary of the thread "Most Wanted":

Mercenaries / forwarded 08.07.2013
broken or verbugte Quest / Quest Lines / forwarded 08.07.2013
consistent action against Buguser / gold sellers / cheater or Duper / in progress
increased presence of GMs on the servers / in progress
more dialogues with the team / in progress
Now I take a point a: transparent & open, timely communication (Patch Notes / Announcements / Maints - Server Downtime / etc.) in working
/ Friegegeben skill set for discussion
Instances / friegegeben discussion

I think this selection, the cross section of the problems.

On one I want to make you more alert:

To change to fix bugs, content is primarily developers work, there RW is therefore required. This means that things can not be fixed immediately. So have a little patience, because now the product team in various areas such as QA and DG will happen.

In addition, the physical relocation of all servers, databases, hardware and CO comes from Berlin to Karlsruhe. This integration process does not just happen overnight! It takes weeks because it is supposed to be reasonable.

So where are we headed or what the timetable is covered?

In the next 3 weeks I'm on it to get an overview of all countries. I will incorporate into all of the tools and I'll bring a few things on the way. In about 4-5 weeks, then the integration process should be completed in Karlsruhe and a new team takes the final game!

It will in the future live support in the form of IRC chat give can be reached via the forum!

I will keep a guild master table via TS3. a meeting with fan site operators and shall sit down with the way professionals work together here.

The board we have a new structure. Also, the teams will get a structure. These things are now in the works. The board rules can be dusted off and revised and modernized the rules if necessary.

Nenysvor will continue to be the number 1 contact for the German community because now my work begins in the background. Do not worry I am still here and you will find a lot of my reading whether you want it or not: evil:.

You will find our work here in future reviews or more views. Clean look is worth it. 8)

Enough work for the next 4 - 6 weeks I think ...: whistling:

in this sense

Aunt Edith: @ Kuhschubsclan, no I'm not trainers Pit) even if I had bad smile when I read that. I have only one other Kommunikationssstil and a different way of working


ps. I will still respond to all who have written me a PM One may forgive me because



Even though GF is keeping completely silent to the US community, I'm hopeful that at least the German feedback will finally reach RW and get things fixed. As long as the issues gets fixed, I suppose it doesn't matter which community it came from. But regardless, I would be lying if I said I'm not jealous of the level of communication German communities receive.

Also, an announcement was made in the EN forums:

Basically a dummy version of the German post with empty promises and no info. But, still interesting to read I guess.
Another short introduction

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Hi everyone!
My official Title is "Vice President Customer Communication", my responsibilities include Community Management, Support and Localization.
First of all I have to thank you for the sheer amount of constructive feedback we received. Seems we have our work cut out for us for the next couple of months.
I wont promise we will solve all the problems, what I can promise is a more open way of communication. Thanks to your feedback we and RW together already closed one big issue, still there is some work to do.
We are also working on other issue. Me responsibility also includes support, and we haven't done well ther for the past months. Yesterday the first goup of new Supporters started working here in Karlsruhe and are being trained. However, It will take some weeks untill we have cleared the backlog.
Cheers,
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Friday, July 19th 2013, 2:02pm

Nice find. Would be nice iffn we would be included (an me meaneth US an Aussies when me speaketh bout inclusion). Any green or blue care ter comment? Or be we left in the dark as usual?

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Friday, July 19th 2013, 6:36pm

We would not have this German/Engrish communication problem if Superman had crash landed on a Germany farm instead of a Kansas farm.

http://snltranscripts.jt.org/78/78jwhatif.phtml

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Saturday, July 20th 2013, 5:38pm

the google translation hurts my brain. need proper translation against brainhurt.

lets see how much text that really is and maybe i can get a quick n dirty version together thats better understandable...


Just to give a bit of context for those who read the google translation meanwhile: Basically our "constructive feedback" forum is dead atm. Reason is ThePit made a "ThePit's Hot Seat" forum where people are posting $complains (and constructive feedback ... in theory :p) and he doesnt have to go through age old stuff again and again. So people post their most pressing complaints in a rather explicit way and the subforum was basically overrun , but hey, he asked for it :p


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yeah i was a bit bored (and i make me think myself it helps me train my english further but who knows :p)

next long post only will get TLDRs -.-

Quoted from "ThePit"

Good evening everyone,

wow, you really surprised me with how much constructive & critical posts you've made.

I received a lot of PMs from you, from guilds and from fansites.
Because of that I was able to get a rough overview what's bothering you the most.

In the next 14 days there will be a poll about the "most wanted" issues where you then will be able to vote. I will then talk in detail with the product team about your feedback.
After the votes there will be so-called "fine tuning" where we will see what can be realised and what has a rather low priority.
If you look at the subforum and the posts and views you can already see what topics seem to bother you the most.
But please remember, „RoM((e) - pun intended) was NOT built in a day!“

For a lot of problems we will have to talk to our developer Runewaker, others may be able to be solved directly by us..

Here's a short summary of the threads considered „Most Wanted“ [and a status update]:

  • Mercenaries / forwarded 08.07.2013
  • broken or bugged quests / quest lines / forwarded 08.07.2013
  • determined action against Exploiting/Bugusing/Goldsellers/Dupe&Cheats /// Work in Progress*
  • GM presence on the servers / work in progress*
  • more/better dialogue with the team / work in progress*
  • now i'll add a point myself : transparent and open communication in a timely manner ( Patchnotes / Announcements / Maints – Serverdowntimes / etc.) work in progress
  • set skills / open for discussion
  • instances / open for discussion


[ *"in Arbeit" means literally "it is currently being worked on" / "in the works" / "im on it" => "work in progress" ]

I think this list is a good overview[ lit: "digit sum" -.-] of the problems.

But i would like to bring to your attention again:

Bugfixing and Content modification is the job of the developer, that is Runewakers' part.
Which in turn means that such things take time and cannot be done immediately [in an instant].
So please show a little patience, because now all of this will pass through QA and GD departmentswithin the product team.


Additionally were physically moving everything (severs, databases, hardware etc) from Berlin to Karlsruhe, all of this needs to be integrated which is also not done just overnight.
It takes weeks to be done properly.

So where's this trip going next? [lit: "so where is the journey going or whats the timetable we thought of?" ... in very short: "what's next?" ]
In the next 3 weeks i'll take care of getting an overview of all RoM countries, i will work myself into all the tools and get some stuff running ["bring some things on the way"]
In around 4-5 weeks the integration process to Karlsruhe should be completed and a new team will take over the game!

In the future we will have an IRC livesupport that can be reached via the forums!

I will have a round table with the guilds via TS3 , i'll talk to the fansites and get in touch with the artwork people on the forums.
Board and teams will get a new structure, these things are already in the making.
Board rules will be cleaned from dust and updated/changed where necessary , same for game rules.

Nenysvor will continue to be the #1 person to talk to for the german community because now my work in the background starts - but don't worry, you'll find me here and will read a lot from me, if you like it or not. :evil:


You'll find updates and reviews of what we do here in the future, so make sure to check [the subforum] often enough... 8)

Enough work for the coming 4-6 weeks ... i think :whistling:


[ the edit was towards a pun on his name and commanding style of writing, i cant get the joke over ]




tldr and only the interesting parts from both
http://board.eu.runesofmagic.com/board40…lick-des-teams/
http://board.eu.runesofmagic.com/board40…om/#post4695382

- new old team getting a new structure, the team has to go through a lot of new stuff and information
- new CM for DE will be/is Nenysvor - he and his team will support you via the board, per mail or via the ticketing system
- a more detailed statement about the hacks and dupes should be posted due next week, max 2 weeks (as of now, not the date of the original post)
- board is getting a rework
- communication user<>team will be improved
- the important stuff (thanks to your (the users) feedback) is being analyzed for workarounds on a shorter notice or possible solutions
- support is being staffed up. once this is complete the presence on the servers by the team will be increased

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Sunday, July 21st 2013, 9:16am

Thanks Yoman. Your translated version was much easier to read, Had to guess half of what I was reading using Google Translate.

If Nenysvor is going to be the new german CM, I guess he won't be with US community anymore? :( Hopefully we'll get more people for the US side after the move the GF Karlsruhe.

And I'm liking the german CM thePit, he seems pretty open to communication. Can we have him on the US too? :p
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Sunday, July 21st 2013, 3:20pm

Thanks Yoman. Your translated version was much easier to read, Had to guess half of what I was reading using Google Translate.

If Nenysvor is going to be the new german CM, I guess he won't be with US community anymore? :( Hopefully we'll get more people for the US side after the move the GF Karlsruhe.

And I'm liking the german CM thePit, he seems pretty open to communication. Can we have him on the US too? :p


i believe Mika stated that he only wants to announce things that actually are done/almost finished just to be certain not to disappoint with announcements about things that may get totally changed at some inbetween stage.
But if you look around to other Gameforge games (those from the HQ, not the MMOs from Berlin) you'll see that all GF games have IRC support (be it the browser games (anyone remember OGame or Galaxywars?) or the full-fledged MMOs like Metin2 and others) and a certain team structure with GameAdmins, BoardAdmin and the likes (and volunteer GMs as far i grasped it from Metin2 wiki) - so i believe the improved communication part for the US side of the game comes into play at latest when the irc support will be officially launched and you will be able to "slap Mika around a bit with a large trout" ;)

(and yeah, speaking both german and english definitely helps atm for collecting all the puzzle pieces :ninja: )

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now i want a large trout agg.........Thx Yoman
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Sunday, July 21st 2013, 10:18pm

This brings some hope back to the game.

My only worry is that the game is progressing to such a high level... it's going to make so much content worthless, and much of it already is.

I'm wondering how/if they are going to integrate content better.
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Monday, July 22nd 2013, 12:24am

I truly think making past content easier, not by the fact we are upgrading our gear, but actually tweaking the stats so they are more attractive to newer groups would be great. No one is going to work and work at an instance when in 4 levels they will have another to work on. This pushes newer players into the .. grind till max level then try to learn to raid, which just doesn't work. THe games population is already pretty low and lower players wanting to run stuff at their level to learn their chars don't get to really cause either they are carried through the instances cause there are higher level players, or they skip them. Lets face it there aren't enough newer players to learn their classes by grouping with other newer members and do any instances while raiding. If it was easier for duo/trio possible a few levels higher than the instance then more would run it and we would have a better type of new player coming up the ranks.

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Monday, July 22nd 2013, 4:31am

Grammar please, that made my head hurt ever so little, but more than It needed to.

Otherwise, I agree I suppose, there just isn't enough player base. That would probably fix the issues with dead content just floating around.

More advertising. TV commercials please? I'd love to see "Runes of Magic, the most customizable MMO on the market, Free for everybody!" Right on my television set.

That would put a big smile on my face.
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Monday, July 22nd 2013, 7:54am

Exihibit A from the official Arab Runes of Magic: http://rom.tahadi.com/en/node/1426


Not good at all :fie:

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Monday, July 22nd 2013, 8:08am

Exihibit A from the official Arab Runes of Magic: http://rom.tahadi.com/en/node/1426


Not good at all :fie:
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Monday, July 22nd 2013, 8:22am

Exihibit A from the official Arab Runes of Magic: http://rom.tahadi.com/en/node/1426


Not good at all :fie:
Ew.

Yikes, I hope Ganeforge isn't preparing a similar announcement for us. :( I wonder if that means the middle east ban will be lifted?
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Monday, July 22nd 2013, 4:14pm

maybe that's one of the new languages RoM is coming to by Gameforge then - although my personal guess (and it's just a guess) is Italian simply because they made an IRC channel for it.

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Monday, July 22nd 2013, 7:11pm

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Curious to why It's still chapter V ~.-
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Not good at all :fie:
Curious to why It's still chapter V ~.-
At least they have CHV. Brazillian version runned (or ruined) by Aeria games was running CH4, no CoO, no item shop, no Millers, tons and tons of hacks/bots and in less than 4 months died of desertion.
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Tuesday, July 23rd 2013, 1:25am

seems like both Aeria Games AND Tahadi are quitting RoM - and Gameforge is going to expand instead ;-)

more from Phelan (maybe i can get a hold of him so he posts his stuff in english himself :p - or you could try to poke this account: http://board.us.runesofmagic.com/user/8-phelan/ ;)):

http://board.eu.runesofmagic.com/board40…tml#post4696464
user quote:
"instead of better support you're expanding into more countries.
instead of improving the product on the support side you're cutting down on personell."

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Phelan:
"This is not an either/or decision.
We're expanding support atm, also for the languages that are in already.
Support is language-specific, we add another language means we need to add more employees.
Actually additional languages have no influence at all on bugfixing, the code is the same.
Indirectly again they do have an influence, but a positive one. More revenue equals more money for Runewaker equals higher priority for Runewaker."

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http://board.eu.runesofmagic.com/board40…tml#post4696505
(ill skip the bigger things he quoted from users and replied to and make the context visible in [] if needed)

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phelan:
I would lie if i say we'd expected differently [honest feedback being rather harsh].
We cant go and demand honest feedback and expect only praises. As long its not drifting off into insults everything's fine.
Also speculation is fine and to be expected.
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That Steffen [PD] is moving on every 1,5 years is ...well... Schlund/OneandOne[1&1]/GMX is all the same company [= United Internet],you know.

[the last sentence above was a reply to another user who critized on the Product Director "moving from company to company every 1,5-2,5 years"
who failed to realize that the guy actually held different positions in the same company - aka "why dont you simply shut up if you clearly have no idea what you're talking about" just in friendly :p]

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userquote:
"higher priority...well... even back in the times with full servers it took them over a month to fix an important story quest...."
Phelan:
"Currently the cooperation between Runewaker and our inhouse developers is much better than we had hoped for. I'm really optimistic on that matter right now.

userquote:
"would be good marketing" [to have a completely reworked RoM and advertise it as 2.0]
Phelan:
Berlin always excel'd at marketing, we here in Karlsruhe at tech. For RoM it is now time to utilise our strenghts in tech - we're stabilising the game atm, fixing one hole after the other, then we'll move on to content.
I dont see a RoM 2.0 anywhere but what i see is significant improvements in support and bugfixes and then later new content.
What's important for the CM [team] is a buildup of trust. If we announce things to happen in two months, it's quite possible that we can't do it in time because some bug[error] is blocking us.
But we get your feelings that you don't want to hear promises anymore that are nowhere to be kept later.

I do understand the people who are still suspicious ["i understand the ones who are (still) suspicious"] - but i'm happy about every poster who realized that we're serious with being more open in our communications.

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http://board.eu.runesofmagic.com/board40…tml#post4696600

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[Context: Nitpicking about a "we do have developers at Gameforge" statement from Phelan lead to "but it was always said RW is the developer, and now that? herpderp... by users]
Phelan:
"Every game team has developers (Berlin had developers too).
But because we do not only publish games from Karlsruhe but also run games that are developed by Gameforge we do have way more developers and they are better connected [=>better networking between devs of different GF teams].
Of course this does NOT mean that we will take over developing the client now but of course our developers are talking to those in Taiwan [=>Runewaker]."

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http://board.eu.runesofmagic.com/board40…tml#post4696646
MY reply after another bunch of herpderp replies to phelans last post:

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tldr: because you have more devs in KA and therefore more manpower+knowledge you might be able to fix some smaller things inhouse and are able to pinpoint things better that Runewaker would need to fix instead of e.g. "here we have some error in Quest#123456, pls fix" - correct?"
phelan: exactly.
[phelan continung to reply to a quote about the PD letter]
The letter was only for RoM. And it was directed specificly against all the news and forum posts that were circulating recently.
Again: We have a clear commitment for RoM here in Karlsruhe. We did not just simply change admin passwords but we're really investing into the future here. Starting with new personell/staff ... more and new tools... the website is not exactly maintenance-friendly etc... there's a lot of stuff going on right now.
This all would not be worth it [the effort / the time+money] if we'd be thinking RoM would only be running for another 1,2,3 years.


TL is certainly not as perfect as from someone who speaks both languages natively but atleast i tried and my results are reported to be pretty good usually... :)

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Tuesday, July 23rd 2013, 7:36pm

Yoman, need a Translator job? ;) Thanks for the translation and thanks for slapping me to post here as well.

I hope I won't forget that there are two english speaking comms, one in a own board, again.

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Tuesday, July 23rd 2013, 7:41pm

Wow, a CM that doth seemer ta be wantin ter do their job! Awesome! ME tis lookin forward ter seein the new changes, an hopin that Gameforge doth begin ter remember who payeth their salary.

As fer upcomin changes, me quick laundry list doth include appreciation ter the players who twere clean an faithful durin the hack time, a cleanup on the bots, an REAL GMs that participate wit us.



Welcome ter the fergotten side, Phelan.

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