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@gigi s/wd snipe with hidden peril never had no cast time but was reduced to 1 second cast time

People who want to defend IB by comparing it to other class skills are really digging their own grave.

Spammable (no cooldown besides GCD)
Ranged
Unlimited supply (uses MP, intead of focus, energy, rage, etc)

IB was the only skill that had all 3 of these. Wd Charged Chop has Spammable and Unlimited Supply, but is restricted to melee Range. M/R Cursed Fangs has Spammable and Ranged, but is restricted by Energy. M/Wd Earth Groaning Wind Blade has Range and Unlimited Supply, but is restricted by a Cooldown.

IB was given a restriction like every other Class skill, in this case a Cooldown. I agree with others who would have chosen for it to have a Focus Cost (Limited Supply). Not surprisingly, no one has mentioned keeping it Spammable and MP dependent, but restricting it to melee Range; but that would have worked too. One skill should not have all 3 attributes.

P/S argues that they don't have any other (worthwhile) instants to fall back on, unlike mages and P/M. That doesn't change that the one skill they did have was OP. Honestly, I think that idea of giving Shot an additional Water Damage is a great idea.

And before you complain that Mage Thunderstorm has all 3 attributes, please keep in mind that it cannot be "locked on"... TS must be cast on an area and hope that the enemy doesn't move. Compared to using Tab > IB > Tab > IB, the difference is huge. Most times, the only time TS is used, is to clear defenses or to try to find a rogue in hide... if it's a normal one on one encounter, single target Instants are the first, and usually only, skills that are used.

Quoted from "Purre"

Spammable (no cooldown besides GCD)
Ranged
Unlimited supply (uses MP, intead of focus, energy, rage, etc)

i think autoshot and shot have none of these restrictions...

Pretty sure the only way to get Shot down to once per second is by using a bow with a speed of 2 or less (might be 1.8 actually). Think there was a post in the M/S forums about it. So if you want to apply this to P/S... ask them if they are ok with spamming IB as long as they use a lvl 50 quest reward wand.

Not to completely derail things but I do love how anytime an IB related thread gets created people go bonkers.

Sure, I wasn't happy about the change since my alt was a P/S/M (now P/K/M) but I'll live with it and move on.

Pic is completely related.

After reading most of this post it either needs to be closed or someone needs to step in and please put it back on topic.

TYVM

Honestly, I don't think Iceblade discussions will ever accomplish anything. If you don't believe me, just ask Scouts and see how they're doing 2 chapters after an overnerf.

Quoted from "ruisen2000"

Honestly, I don't think Iceblade discussions will ever accomplish anything. If you don't believe me, just ask Scouts and see how they're doing 2 chapters after an overnerf.

lol ruisen, its pretty true, I htinks couts need a re-work like how knights got one. Dontmake them op, but make them playable, there will be less rogues if you do so.

Quoted from "Purre"

Pretty sure the only way to get Shot down to once per second is by using a bow with a speed of 2 or less (might be 1.8 actually). Think there was a post in the M/S forums about it. So if you want to apply this to P/S... ask them if they are ok with spamming IB as long as they use a lvl 50 quest reward wand.

The only difference is, with m/s, the amount of damage that Shot does is dependent on how much damage their staff does, and the bow damage isn't applied to anything but the initial white hit. So it does qualify under the heading of "ranged, spammable, unlimited." And with the 70 elite, it hits twice! Sort of makes me wonder why we don't see more m/s's in sw. You could even resurrect Megamouse's old theory of the dex stacking mage just for pvp to avoid the annoying misses.

Hmm. I realize that's technically a thread derailment, but from a theory angle, it's interesting. And it's more productive, from a discussion point of view, than complaining about a long ago nerf. I wonder what one int/dex per piece would do. Eurgh, now I want to go make one! Someone go try it?

My old m/s never got the 60 or 70 elites, and she has no gear on her, and she's on the wrong server. I did play m/s in pvp from time to time, but the issue then was simply that you could never manage to hit scouts or rogues, because they statted so dex-heavy. They don't anymore- well, rogue's don't. Scouts don't exist. I don't know if m/s could compete against all the instants a m/wd has to offer- but there are times when I have CD's and just stand there for a second unable to attack at range unless I hurl a tstorm- I don't have magic tricks yet (WTB chap robe, PST!). M/S would never have that problem.

Could be good.

WTB scout fix...please...

and m/s is pretty sweet, the only problem is even a priest bubble will repel the negligible damage shot does, and no shot, no fire damage...not to mention other skills that repel a % HP in damage...s/m also pretty magic heavy...and they can use a staff too...i'd like to know if a magic s/m is about as good as a m/s...

off topic, but I click your sig link every here and there.. just for a chuckle

Yeah but it's not like you just have shot. You can hit something else to get rid of the bubble then shot them to death.

Quoted from "Cike"

WTB scout fix...please...

and m/s is pretty sweet, the only problem is even a priest bubble will repel the negligible damage shot does, and no shot, no fire damage...not to mention other skills that repel a % HP in damage...s/m also pretty magic heavy...and they can use a staff too...i'd like to know if a magic s/m is about as good as a m/s...

borella, ur assuming the player isn't a single button smashing idiot...

True. But no class, no not even P/S, is actually "good" just by spamming one button. They can "get by" maybe but they're not going to do the best they can.

Case in point a m/s can be good by spamming shot but they can be great by using shot to supplement their other skills.

Seriously, the horse. Its laying there dead and you're all still beating it. Poor thing. :c

i wanna see it twitch some more...and that was my point borella...there are alot of people with "good" combos that just fail at playing them, then are amazed they can't be "OP"

Quoted from "Lolim"

Sounds fair enough to me if m/wdn can flame spam 100k - 400k flames and wipe a raid of people in seconds

Alright and I raise you charged chop spammable again. fair right? of course not. course id rather have frantic briar back as spammable to compete with mages purgatory fire spammable aoe. but, yea that aint never happening. its their elite. if you like it so much, roll a m.wrdn.

One word to be found here explains it all:

ROGUES OF MAGIC

tyvm

That tells you how wrong I am being Magic of Rogues...

At least close one...