Runes of Magic US / AU

lol, jsut a temporary ban i see... and to think everyone thought they were permantly taken care of.

More like, a reversal of a permanent ban. Apparently, if you can write/read fluent German and can weave a fantastic tale of bull, even the ardent cheaters can find a sympathetic ear, amongst all the new-hires.

Lemonator said:

"Several o the players that done did take advantage of Gameforge's lack
of action during the big exploit time have returned from their ban today
ter sail again on Artemis.

Normally, me would welcome back such players, but the first thing one o
those scallywags done did twas ter show off his gear that he still had.
T9, OD, golden hammered, +16, 4 slot drilled, X runes, and Orange
statted. "

I'd guess that some players received game suspensions, others received permabans. Not that we're supposed to be discussing the "who's" and "whys", or even potentially discussing them.

Were I playing regularly on Artemis, I'd do my best to shun the cheaters and exploiters who were involved and have returned. We had some on Osha. Persistent little buggers they were, too. Every so often I'd troll them in World or the Trade channel. Quite a few others did, as well. Many more simply blacklisted them. And it seems they (the cheaters) have given up, for the most part, in trying to get players to like, or even tolerate, their presence.

Perhaps this is something that you, and others on Artemis, could do. I offer it as a suggestion, free of charge.


Gigi said:

"lol, jsut a temporary ban i see... and to think everyone thought they were permantly taken care of."

This may or may not teach you not to think. In terms of permanence, that is. See below.


TellMeNoMoreLies bleated:

"More like, a reversal of a permanent ban. Apparently, if you can
write/read fluent German and can weave a fantastic tale of bull, even
the ardent cheaters can find a sympathetic ear, amongst all the
new-hires."

And you know this how? Parsing tea leaves? You yourself have gotten a permaban reversed and reduced to a suspension by using this very method? You personally know one or more of the "new-hires"?

Considering the name you've selected for yourself, passing along your ignorant suppositions, half-truths, and outright lies is contraindicated.


Bottom line: Gameforge isn't going to tell you if or how they decide to discipline a player, what that discipline is, and/or how long it's going to last. That's between Gameforge and the player, and it's nunya bidness. Contrary to what you might think (if you do) or believe, you do *not* have a right to know anything about it.

Quoted from "Malignatus"

Bottom line: Gameforge isn't going to tell you if or how they decide to discipline a player, what that discipline is, and/or how long it's going to last. That's between Gameforge and the player, and it's nunya bidness. Contrary to what you might think (if you do) or believe, you do *not* have a right to know anything about it.

Nah, you are wrong. We all have a say... as without us (players) there will not be game or GF.

Due to bad decisions, changes in leadership and what players saw as corporate greed, player base changed in size, game is less profitable, thus they shrink support (merged with other online game supports), introduce unpaid mentors (many of them) and are trying to reorganize the game to make profit. Guess what will happen if they continue to loose players...

Or for that mater, let's guess what would happen if player who supported game (with RL cash) got banned... Will they unban him as soon as possible with hope to milk more?!

Decisions like this affect community, thus, it is not just between GF and player...

Quoted from "RoMage"

Quoted from "Malignatus"

Bottom line: Gameforge isn't going to tell you if or how they decide to discipline a player, what that discipline is, and/or how long it's going to last. That's between Gameforge and the player, and it's nunya bidness. Contrary to what you might think (if you do) or believe, you do *not* have a right to know anything about it.

Nah, you are wrong. We all have a say... as without us (players) there will not be game or GF.

Due to bad decisions, changes in leadership and what players saw as corporate greed, player base changed in size, game is less profitable, thus they shrink support (merged with other online game supports), introduce unpaid mentors (many of them) and are trying to reorganize the game to make profit. Guess what will happen if they continue to loose players...

Or for that mater, let's guess what would happen if player who supported game (with RL cash) got banned... Will they unban him as soon as possible with hope to milk more?!

Decisions like this affect community, thus, it is not just between GF and player...

Discipline is and always should be between the two parties involved, here its GF and the player. It's the same as if you were disciplined at work, would you want everyone else knowing what happened or just you and your boss?

Problem with that thought Ziav is you get paid to work. You pay to play a game therefore its more consumer mindset than employee. If I buy a Toyota I have every right to know about defects, class action lawsuits etc... Now I agree most things don't need reported to the player base. New player bought gold etc... But a problem that affects an entire server/population is different. It is also just good for a company to be upfront about mistakes or corrections of that size since everyone already knows. Last game I played had 3 servers. Admin on server A played on B and admin B played on A. They came up with a great idea to cheat for each other and the game quickly spiraled out of control. When the owner figured out he did what he could to fix the situation but in some cases damage had been done. Instead of hiding everything he admitted the problem posted both were banned forever and changed his policies to prevent it from happening again. The players saw the transparency and almost all of them stayed around.

Quoted from "Ziav"

Discipline is and always should be between the two parties involved, here its GF and the player. It's the same as if you were disciplined at work, would you want everyone else knowing what happened or just you and your boss?

Naahhh.... Mrpushpop has covered that...



I am sure mate Lemonater would agree...

RoMage said:

"Nah, you are wrong. We all have a say... as without us (players) there will not be game or GF. "

Sorry, but you're wrong in this particular case. Bans and suspensions are between the player being disciplined and Gameforge. It's nunya bidness at all. Period. You can (and may) argue against that until you're blue in the face. It's not going to change anything with respect to how Gameforge handles discipline in-game. Learn to live with that.


"Due to bad decisions, changes in leadership and what players saw as
corporate greed, player base changed in size, game is less profitable,
thus they shrink support (merged with other online game supports),
introduce unpaid mentors (many of them) and are trying to reorganize the
game to make profit. Guess what will happen if they continue to loose
players..."

Same old song, same old broken record, same old misinformation. Why do you continue to come here and spew this nonsense? Bored with the "Russian game"? For someone who is supposedly as smart as you claim to be, you're pretty damned ignorant.

BTW, "loose" /= "lose".


"Or for that mater, let's guess what would happen if player who supported
game (with RL cash) got banned... Will they unban him as soon as
possible with hope to milk more?!"

Second verse, same as the first.



"Decisions like this affect community, thus, it is not just between GF and player... "

Look up the word "conflate". Memorize the definition. Avoid conflating. Your arguments, such as they are, might improve.

But I have doubts.

If thing like this are not doing anything on moral of population, we would not be having this conversation, would we?

Just little major flaw in your thoughts process, as we see results of people being unhappy with development.

Not sure why it bothers you that I post here, even if I am not playing, but STILL have an account and characters on server.

Just wondered will that be first thing you will bring in your biased answer...

Quoted from "RoMage"

If thing like this are not doing anything on moral of population, we would not be having this conversation, would we?

You still seem unable to understand that how GF distributes in-game discipline is nunya bidness. Let me try once again to 'splain:

On my home server (Osha), several people received what appeared to be 30-day suspensions for using profane language. That it so say, it appeared that they were *not in the game at all* for at least 30 days. Then, they came back. Funny how that works out. Perhaps GF decided that the "punishment" fit the "crime".

Other people are permanently gone from Osha for having repeatedly and egregiously using profane language, having spammed zone, world, and at least one private (trade) channel with it. They *had been* very active players. The characters involved have never returned. Again, funny how that works out, and that perhaps GF decided that the "punishment" fit the "crime".

Do I care whether the discipline handed out was temporary or permanent? Not really. Is it any of my business? No. Do I think GF owes me, or anyone else, an explanation? Not in the least.

Quoted from "RoMage"

Just little major flaw in your thoughts process, as we see results of people being unhappy with development.

Into every life a little rain must fall. Get used to being wet.

I'm actually more concerned with the current login issues some people are having with their characters. In fact, one of my guildies currently has a toon stuck in Sarlo, and that toon will be unavailable for him to play until and unless GF or Support manages to get it unstuck and moved to a different (and open) zone. I have far more concern over that issue than with previously-suspended players having "served their time" and returned to playing. If they're unwanted, they can easily be marginalized by players who are offended by their presence. Eventually, they'll go away--as several of the alleged "hackers" have on Osha.

Quoted from "RoMage"

Not sure why it bothers you that I post here, even if I am not playing, but STILL have an account and characters on server.

Partially it's because you're wasting electrons. You know and understand far less than you think you do. But your diarrhea of the fingers continues unabated.

My personal opinion is that if you've quit playing GF's version of RoM, you ought to stop posting on their forums. Since you seem to like the "Russian game" better, why not post in *their* forums, instead? It would be far more relevant than the waste you post here.

Quoted from "RoMage"

Just wondered will that be first thing you will bring in your biased answer...

Whatever you inspire me to answer, of course.

Quoted from "Malignatus"

bla bla bla...

Do I care whether the discipline handed out was temporary or permanent? Not really. Is it any of my business? No. Do I think GF owes me, or anyone else, an explanation? Not in the least.

more bla bla bla

Why do you even care to comment this post, except to ask why I am still part of community in game where if I paid monthly subscription I would be fine playing until 2018 or something like that...

And BTW, it is not the problem that people are back, but that they still have items that they got banned for.

You would note that if you read from beginning...

And now back to discussion, should they still have hacked gear or not? (it is not question if they should be in game, as lemonater said in his first post)

Is this something that will off balance other paying customers?

As you see, this is part of where community might object and none-of-your-business just does not cut in...

If they like to make business, especially with my and money of others, they should care what we have to say, don't ya think?

Same BS guys and gals. GF knows the problem they just wont do anything about it. If GF don't care why should u care? Don't invest ur rl money in this game. God knows I have invested thousands of dollars in this game and for 3 years I have played it is still plagued with the same problems. Save ur dollars and go for a vacation instead of wasting ur time in a game that will give u gray hairs. <3

Yup initially I was a bit optimistic but lately I have become a bit disappointed. Everyone knows that obnoxious guy from Palenque that just got unbanned. He even spent all day today farming goblins, which if I recall correctly, you can only enter 1 time per day. Nothing personal against the dude, but if you originally banned a well-known hideous (yes, because he is not very liked) person supposedly for hacking (multiple times) and then they just complained and got their account back within 3 days, then clearly you are offering a green light for any future illicit activity. Not to mention, those that a couple of months ago sold 1 diamond to the hacker for millions of gold.. they are still around and buying legit things off the auction house. Shaking my head.. .

This is the same reason why the hacking problem got to a point of no control. Had the original abusers been punished on time, it wouldn't have created an externality effect in which nobody assumes responsibility because doing so is missing out on being better off. In other words, "If I see a hack or exploit i'm going to do it because they can't ban the whole server".

Quoted from "SaitoHajime"

Get me some names on that please.
VIA PM OR EMAIL ("Send Email to this User") ONLY.
I do not want to have namecalling in the thread, its just more work because ill have to delete the posts then.

And please no "this one should have been banned the whole time but was not" stuff. I can not investigate nor decide about game bans. I'm just the collector.

Only players that (appeared to have) been banned and are not anymore.

If you already had them reported again after their reappearance via report tool or the normal support ticket system, it should be fine. If you want, tell me the ticket number though if you have one.

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Quoted from "SaitoHajime"

Please keep it civil.

No reports from other Servers apart from Artemis so far, or to say, not a single report about someone being unbanned again via this forum thread in my PM or Email so far.
The Artemis problem should have been solved to my knowledge since we received a few reports on it via IRC which have been checked and dealt with.
Not a single one from any other server by now.

Reason that it happened in the first place without going into further details: Technical issues.
No, not "whine at the GM" even though Support loves Munchkin

If there's more => PM/Mail/Query me

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Quoted from "Needundead"

Yup initially I was a bit optimistic but lately I have become a bit disappointed. Everyone knows that obnoxious guy from Palenque that just got unbanned. He even spent all day today farming goblins, which if I recall correctly, you can only enter 1 time per day. Nothing personal against the dude, but if you originally banned a well-known hideous (yes, because he is not very liked) person supposedly for hacking (multiple times) and then they just complained and got their account back within 3 days, then clearly you are offering a green light for any future illicit activity. Not to mention, those that a couple of months ago sold 1 diamond to the hacker for millions of gold.. they are still around and buying legit things off the auction house. Shaking my head.. .

This is the same reason why the hacking problem got to a point of no control. Had the original abusers been punished on time, it wouldn't have created an externality effect in which nobody assumes responsibility because doing so is missing out on being better off. In other words, "If I see a hack or exploit i'm going to do it because they can't ban the whole server".

Which part of send him the stuff is so hard to understand? really, wtf.