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Monday, September 16th 2013, 3:14am

Latest PoM gear good idea BUT ....

Don't get me wrong regardless I will be using the boots and earings set for my rogue, beats having to use the betho sets (can see the arguments why betho sets not really great overall in Rogue Endgear thread in Suggestions). I have 116 boots and 110 earings ready to go when the gems come. HOWEVER

Me thinks RoM programmers didn't apply to much logic in the base green stats/ def/ mdef stats. Since those items are tier 5 to begin with they lose a level of tiering that level 80 stuff gets (Pom helm/gloves, betho sets). In order for 82 level PoM boots to come out ahead of my 80 level betho boots I will have to t8 the boots and the gain will be virtually nothing. If ya stick with the logic RoM has done up to this point Pom stuff should be slighty better than instance stuff equally tierd from an individual piece comparison point of view. You can argue the combind set effect all ya like NOT the point here. I was figuring the boots to be AT LEAST EQUAL to my helm/gloves from a tiering standpoint.

t8 80 Pom helm - > 2500 ish PA 426 ish crit

t8 82 Pom boot - > 2300 ish PA 390 crit

t7 Lasoyl boots -> 377 crit 2300 ish PA

Solution would simple:

Make 82 pom gear t4 at start OR

just bump up the green ghost stats a tier level on the base t5 boots and earrings.

ie OD t5 base crit should be 330 not 300. and the PA and str on the boots and ears should also be bumped accordingly.

Same logic should be applied to defense / magic defense on the boots bump the up a tier at base level.



NOTE: I am assuming Charplan is accurate with the + numbers here I cant say this to be fact till I can plus my gears HINT HINT ROM

This post has been edited 2 times, last edit by "danielrayment" (Sep 16th 2013, 3:20am)


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Monday, September 16th 2013, 3:39am

indeed this stands not only for pom gear, but for almost any 82 gear. u can even check the crafted stuff (armor for example) along with the norm mode drops (7 pieces sets). the 82's "initially" seem better than the 80's, but if u compare them at same tier eg t6-7 u ll see its just fail cause of the lack of 1 tier. just stick to lvl 80 stuff in any case and ignore completely any 82 gear, pom/hm/nm/crafted. if something is worth to upgrade is to lvl 85 gear.
its the same thing that should have happened to introduction some years ago, when t4 gear introduced, while normally be4 was t3. and the story goes on.

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Monday, September 16th 2013, 3:52am

im still gonna use pom gear either way I will t8 the boots. that's just me!! you all can do what ya like with your gears. It doesn't change the fact that this logic is lame. Bump up the base of all 82 gears if ya gonna make t5 base the respective base stat should reflect t5.

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Monday, September 16th 2013, 4:19am

Every 20 levels equipment jumps a tier. This is intended.
Not every part of gear is usable as an upgrade for every class combo that might be able to wear it everytime a new instance comes out.
Sometimes "best in slot" is only "best *available* in slot to get myself" when stuff that is slightly worse drops off newer content which in turn is easier to complete.
And sometimes old items are still perfect best in slot for class combos for really long amounts of time.

See: Aoth Salvation/Mysticism Sets as a somewhat younger example. Or if you really want to dig deep into the past: Vathos set.

The last time we had such a jump was with the items from Kawaks Tomb at LevelCap 62. These were the first instance drops to become t4. The t3 items from the hard modes of Raksha Temple were still better if you were looking for best in slot items at that time. LevelCap67 with the big 5 level jump to start ChapterIV with brought immense upgrades with Grafu Castle and Sardo Castle being released at the same time.

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Monday, September 16th 2013, 4:21am

its the same thing that should have happened to introduction some years ago, when t4 gear introduced, while normally be4 was t3. and the story goes on.


I believe that is correct. KT suffered because it was base tier 4, whereas the ever-popular RT was tier 3. By the time Grafu's L65 gear came out, the extra tier that Grafu gear had over RT didn't matter, it was still better gear. I bet same thing will happen here, at L85.

At least there is some L82 gear worth having, actually several good pieces. I don't remember KT's L62 being good for anything.
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Monday, September 16th 2013, 4:37am

And Americans voted George bush in for second term many years ago DOESNT MAKE IT RIGHT first time or the second time. I could care less about Kawaks Tomb gear then or now.

If your gonna T5 base ANY GEAR then the base stats should reflect tier 5 not tier 4. PERIOD. Same should have been done for bumping t3 to t4 way back when. Don't use RoMs previous fails as an excuse for you own failures. Do what should be done and fix it.

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Monday, September 16th 2013, 4:42am

Ah... I see. It is a troll thread. Never mind then.
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Monday, September 16th 2013, 5:14am

And Americans voted George bush in for second term many years ago DOESNT MAKE IT RIGHT first time or the second time. I could care less about Kawaks Tomb gear then or now.

If your gonna T5 base ANY GEAR then the base stats should reflect tier 5 not tier 4. PERIOD. Same should have been done for bumping t3 to t4 way back when. Don't use RoMs previous fails as an excuse for you own failures. Do what should be done and fix it.


You clearly missed the part where I wrote that this is intended as it is by the developers of this game.
And again: Not every new item from every new instance has to be an upgrade. It simply does not matter in the end result (a statted, tiered and plussed item) if the item is simply less than x% stronger than the old one and the tier modification prevents it from being better, or if it does not have better values on the same tier in the first place.
And if you simply want 10 percentage points more that you claim you "lose", tier one tier higher. You can just buy white level81 belts which already produce tier5, as soon as Sarlo will be reopened.

Instead of farming green or blue items that jump a tier although their base tier does not state tier5.
Strange how noone complains about that,huh?

I even provided you examples of items which are still top-notch for certain classes, which are even way older than your tier4/5 example. The absolut values and bonuses of the items and sets you want to use matter at the end of the day, and not every new item is an upgrade. Some are happy about it, some are not.

You can please some people all of the time or all people some of the time, but you cannot do both.

And just so you can plan ahead: The same thing is going to happen somewhen in 2015/2016 when the levelcap gets >100.

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Monday, September 16th 2013, 5:33am

I think than Beth HM set and pants, earing from Belathis Fortress HM will be so much better than POM gear, and maybe easier to get.

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Monday, September 16th 2013, 6:26am

you clearly missed the part where just cause they INTEND it DOESNT MAKE IT RIGHT!!

Level 82 gear should NOT be a downgrade from level 80 gear, which is what your basically doing here. Maybe for people who don't have to worry about cost of puris its ez to say just add another tier. As it is I have every intention of making my boots t8 but it still wont be much better than t7 boots of level 80. That's also 51 puris MORE to get minimal gains crit/pa wise.

Seriously, ya wonder why people are quitting RoM? Your logic is backwards, your haven't fixed much of anything in over a year. My chars been broken for that long and I have posted like 50 tickets and 4-5 time in report a bug and nobody listens to customers need or requests. I not going anywhere as when RoM is working its easily the best MMO out there but the programmers need their head sshaken if they think that newer faces are gonna put up with this fail customer service and backward game logic.

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Monday, September 16th 2013, 1:27pm

you clearly missed the part where just cause they INTEND it DOESNT MAKE IT RIGHT!!

Level 82 gear should NOT be a downgrade from level 80 gear, which is what your basically doing here. Maybe for people who don't have to worry about cost of puris its ez to say just add another tier. As it is I have every intention of making my boots t8 but it still wont be much better than t7 boots of level 80. That's also 51 puris MORE to get minimal gains crit/pa wise.

Seriously, ya wonder why people are quitting RoM? Your logic is backwards, your haven't fixed much of anything in over a year. My chars been broken for that long and I have posted like 50 tickets and 4-5 time in report a bug and nobody listens to customers need or requests. I not going anywhere as when RoM is working its easily the best MMO out there but the programmers need their head sshaken if they think that newer faces are gonna put up with this fail customer service and backward game logic.
Here's a novel thought... just don't replace your boots. You don't *have* to use the proof set. Nobody is forcing you to replace your boots. The way this game has always worked is that sometimes the best sets aren't the current level cap. For fucks sake look at mages. Their best accessory set is still Aoth, a level 62 set.

This game is built of mixing and matching gear levels. If you want to t8 the top stuff to get a minimal increase, that's your choice, but quit whining like somebody has a gun to your head forcing you to. Jesus.
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Monday, September 16th 2013, 2:12pm

And you don't see the flaw in that logic? Level 62 gears being considered by some still to be the BEST. I m not here to argue pro/con aoth set being the best set for mages cause I don't care. Just that fact that your here supporting the 62 set at all 20 levels later should be nuff to make you shake your head.

Im not even saying the 82 easy mode gear should be better than 80 hard mode. That type of thing I still support. The harder to get 80 boots should be better than ez to get 82 boots. BUt hard vs hard and Pom vs Pom 80 vs 82 equal tiered there no question 82 gear should provide more value then 80 gear period.

Borella you don't like what I have to say than don't read it and post about it, it also that simple.

http://www.funnycommercialsworld.com/att…kids-14100.html

I see an at & t rom commercial in the future. Guy ask the kids whats better 82 or 80. Kids scream 82!!!!!!!! So easy a kid can understand. Its not complicated.

This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "danielrayment" (Sep 16th 2013, 3:05pm)


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Monday, September 16th 2013, 3:05pm

indeed, and howmany scouts(probably very few scouts out there in total left but) still use lvl 55 hos dilany rings? i do. although i agree that if the base tier increase on a gear piece the ghost stats should reflect it. but i also agree that not every new lvl gear should be the catwhiskers. making a varied degree of good gear from different areas makes for previous content being active far into the future.

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Monday, September 16th 2013, 3:07pm

I strongly disagree with your whole point daniel. Rom increasing the Tier of the item every 20 lvls makes perfect sense to me and I am glad they did not scale it how you wanted. My points-

1. This is supposed to be a 6 man instance zone anyway so the gear would not have been better than 12 man. (I am glad they included a Hard mode but it is still 5 bosses. )
2. I don't want to regear 14 pieces of gear every 2-3 lvls. I am SOO happy I only need to do 2 this time around.
3. There is still a couple of major pieces that are lv 82.. Go check out the new instance pants in CP.. First pants with damage I have ever seen.

I know your mainly talking about POM gear but POM scaling had to comply with the rest of the scaling. I believe the main point is, this is how ROM scales every 20 lvls. Deal with it or leave over it but it isn't changing no matter how much you protest and to be honest it isn't that big of a deal.

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Monday, September 16th 2013, 3:56pm

I am pro supporting of the tier bump every 20 levels Ive never said otherwise, HOWEVER if your base bumps to t5 the ghost stat should properly reflect t5, such that tiering will provide the proper scaling on the level 82 gears.

Nor am I saying that 82 gears should all of a sudden have 4k pa and 550 crit (aka overblown stating). HOWEVER if 80 pom t8 gears give 2500pa 426 crit then 82 t8 gears should give 2750pa 440 crit or something along those lines. NOT SO MUCH that one says I have to regear everything, but just enough to reflect the scaling. BARE minimum 82 pom equally tier should be equal and there should NOT BE DOWNGRADING.

I appreciate you expressing your points but in reality my arguments don't reflect most of your concerns. A full stated tierd beth HDM rogue wouldn't nessecairly have to regear everything for the small gains in PoM im asking about. Nor do I regear every 2 levels Im still wearing my 72 necky and will only now upgrade to 82. I skipped the bedim necky even though it offered a little bit more value, it wasn't enough for me to bother. Same can be said of the PoM upgrade Im asking for.

I don't know what the damage value is on those pants, but the PoM earing/boots set I have comes with damge and I have no desire to break my PoM set pants/shoulders/belt unless the gains from the 82 pants/belt are just ridiculous.

BOTTOM LINE.

At & T Dude: Kids should a level 82 PoM piece of gear offer MORE or LESS stats than a lvl 80 PoM equally tiered piece of gear?

Kids: MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!! (all together)

Its not complicated. At&t

This post has been edited 2 times, last edit by "danielrayment" (Sep 16th 2013, 4:20pm)


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Monday, September 16th 2013, 7:39pm

There have been quite a few players complaining that POM gear is too good for how "easily" it is obtained. Perhaps this is the fruit of their complaints.

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Monday, September 16th 2013, 8:29pm

Most 6 man instances drop very little items that's are worthwhile, compared to 12 man instances. You don't see everyone complaining every 6man instance release.

Gear has never always been an increase. If they were, that just mean RW would have to scale up instances even more to offset that. In the end, it makes no difference.
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Monday, September 16th 2013, 9:02pm

Proof of myth gear really SHOULDN'T be better than instance gear. Proofs are obtained from level 75 world bosses and from a level 50 minigame event. The fact that it *has* been better has always been stupid. There is literally no valid argument for why Proof of Myth gear and stats continue to be the best in the game.
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Monday, September 16th 2013, 9:56pm

the only flaw i see in this whole pointless discussion is the fact that u can now start tiering at t5 with white items...so unless u farmed 100% of ur teir stone items, u are not losing any puries...
my r/p can outdps r/m. your name is stupid.

mages should stack dex. word.

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Tuesday, September 17th 2013, 1:32am

I actually completely agree with Borella, I personally don't like PoMs in general. Not the fact that is where the best stats are nor that the best gear is from them.