Runes of Magic US / AU

i have a question...can they check if you are running PAC or not if you are just standing there, not actively buying/selling tools and mats?

Quoted from "Danjuro"

So is sitting in your house/at the library while pac is running really taboo all the sudden now?

Yes that has been deemed worthy of ban-hammer now. which is why we are raging.

Quoted from "Cike"

i have a question...can they check if you are running PAC or not if you are just standing there, not actively buying/refining mats?

It would be extremely stupid of them to tell players one way or another. I wouldn't expect an answer to this one.

Look at the date of this statement http://board.eu.runesofmagic.com/board41…d/?#post2914093

Quoted from "Hipocrates"

Look at the date of this statement http://board.eu.runesofmagic.com/board41…d/?#post2914093

I opened that, didn't read any of it after seeing the word "TOS". There isn't one, or at least, that part of the log in screen where it should be? Yeah, that's been blank for me for about 2 months now.....

Soooooo, I could say there isn't a TOS and using whatever I want is ok....

the ingame "ToS" still refers to frogster...

saying that there is no way to buy mats is ridiculous. Honor points are more than viable for buying materials. Siege/drill ground.. you get more than enough. The lower mats are really cheap. Lower mats are buyable with mems too. So no the only other way is NOT running around DDC.

People saying that AFK PAC was the only way they got mats.... IDK I just find that hard to believe.

"While I'm at it, what about AAI? Is that ban-hammer worthy? or how about COI? Or what about AdvancedAuctionHouse that automatically sorts stuff for you? Or what about Auto Ride addon? hmmmmmm?? "


cmon people read... what part of "AFK" do you not get. PAC is bannable if you are AFK. AAH has no bearing on afk or not. Autoride, I guess could be used afk... but why?. COI afk... yeah I mean I guess people could afk with a COI running.. haven't really seen many doing that in a while but of course I don't run fly anymore, when I did no did that.

It has always been a "grey" area to PAC while not at the keyboard. Now you know. What was iffy before, is now answered. You can still use it, just be at your keyboard.... plain and simple.

I mean cmon people.... it isn't hard to think one simple statement: "am I getting something for free while not being at the keyboard", if the answer is yes, assume it is bannable. If the answer is no, then you probably ok. Quit trying to find a way to get something while away from keyboard....

Could you explain to me then where the mem vendor is for mats level 30-60? You can't, because there isn't one. That is where that started. We already discussed that we could get low level mats, or the lvl 75 mats. But no mats from vendors for Hero pots, Serenstum, Moti, etc.

Honor points are only viable if your guild can run sw - so now we are excluding the low level guilds just starting out. and 900 honor points from a lvl 4 drill ground only gets you so far. Not enough mats for 1 stack of Hero pots if you need to buy all the mats.

Quoted from "Dkjester"

saying that there is no way to buy mats is ridiculous. Honor points are more than viable for buying materials. Siege/drill ground.. you get more than enough. The lower mats are really cheap. Lower mats are buyable with mems too. So no the only other way is NOT running around DDC.

I'm going to be honest here. There is zero, zip, zilch way for them to have any idea if you are running PAC whilst afk unless you are honestly sitting next to the pet vendor and it's fairly obvious. If you're sitting in your house, or in the guild castle, there is no way for them to know. And they're not going to even bother looking at you unless someone reports you, so again, if you're in your house or your guild castle where no random person can get in and see you, nobody is going to report you.

PAC away folks. You're not going to get banned. It's just another rule that they can't enforce, like most of the rules they have.

I know a person who was banned for PAC running it in house. Whether it is a reasonable restriction or not, that is the rest of the thread. The idea that they can't tell if you use PAC or not... well, you just need one example of it being done to prove that it can be done.

i see botters, i see cheaters, i see afkers by the pet vendor

oh no what shall we do, oh wait they can just go to millers ranch, party at the millers..

It would be easy to see if somebody is using PAC....all they have to do is look at your activity logs, see that you haven't been moving while producing mats with your pet and bam...banned.

If there are logs for buying/selling items to vendors, chat logs, combat logs, i would bet anything there are logs that record stuff such as PAC...

Quoted from "CammoXD"

It would be easy to see if somebody is using PAC....all they have to do is look at your activity logs, see that you haven't been moving while producing mats with your pet and bam...banned.

If there are logs for buying/selling items to vendors, chat logs, combat logs, i would bet anything there are logs that record stuff such as PAC...

lol wouldnt that require gameforge to hire a GM ingame, cause i highly doubt gameforge employee will randomly check every single players and their logs and their toons and their chats, it would make their new report site useless since they will check on players screenshot , well i hope they do..

so what, we have GM ingame now, HA HA, still up to the community to snitch on each other, let the games begin

Quoted from "Cike"

the ingame "ToS" still refers to frogster...

I recall reading previously (one of the blues, I think) that Frogster still exists as a legal entity & of course, is owned by Gameforge.

while it may still be binding, its just kind of funny and misleading...

None of this matters anymore as they have declared that, as always, using PAC is perfectly fine as long as you don't do it right next to the vendor.

TL;DR - No new rules, same as it always was.

Move along. Nothing to see here.

(I'm guessing thread will be closed soon since it is now a moot point.)

common misconception: you have to be a high level guild to siege. Not true. If you want to ignore all the people that go for ties... even if you lose you still get honor points and that doesn't exclude the drill grounds. You can also put multiple characters in.... even if you lose. That is no excuse... not really.

and using the "you wanna see hero pots at 1 mil per stack" argument means nothing. It is like saying "you wanna see diamonds back at 40k? Let Tung and company come back and continue to hack".... It is a horribly flawed argument. "I am afk, effectively botting crafting mats, but you all get cheaper Hero pots cause of it, so it should be allowed"...... not a valid argument. "I hack diamonds so you all get cheaper diamonds cause of it, so it should be allowed"... see how the two statements look eerily similar?

It is just not a good point to allow afk PAC. I am completely ok with PAC, while at the keyboard. To which I say, keep using it, but afk at your own risk. That is what this message means to me and I agree with it.

However, I add for those that multi-client... they should check traffic on supposed afk PAC accounts to see if other clients are connected at the same IP address.. If there is, see if all of those are AFK as well. I know support can do this, from an issue I had a while ago. They can see if multiple clients are from the same IP, good way to filter out the unwarranted bans. Just don't do it afk... plain and simple.

Quoted from "ghostwolf82"

None of this matters anymore as they have declared that, as always, using PAC is perfectly fine as long as you don't do it right next to the vendor.

Yeah, see this is how I figured it was - that's why I was confused, especially when I've heard several versions of thier rule against pac - either it's not allowed altogether, just can't use it while afk, or just can't use it while afk near a vendor (where you could leave it there for days to run autonomously, which is indeed botting.)

Quoted from "Dkjester"

common misconception: you have to be a high level guild to siege. Not true. If you want to ignore all the people that go for ties... even if you lose you still get honor points and that doesn't exclude the drill grounds. You can also put multiple characters in.... even if you lose. That is no excuse... not really.

No, you don't have to be high level to siege. However, you have to have a level 5 guild and castle. For some that's a fair amount of work. Second, you can only put multiple characters in if you have the capabilities to either multi-client or have more than one computer. idk about you, but I know a lot of people struggle to have 1 client open. Your internet also has to be able to handle more than one client open. Also, last I checked, you only got 300? honor points for loosing. That isn't enough to buy mats for half a stack of anything useful, let alone a full stack. So what, you going to tell people they have to join guilds that they don't fit in with or don't want them simply so they can get honor points from a sw? A lot of guilds have requirements for sw, so that may not be possible. I think this was a serious hit to not only those of us trying to make things for our more competitive guilds as well as for those who were casual players.

It's not an excuse, it's fact that not everyone can be fortunate enough to be able to run multiple clients, have multiple computers, or that good of internet just to play a game where they enjoy crafting.