Runes of Magic US / AU

Re: DIYCE:

There are some functions that are possible to make it fully automated. I'm on the fence about it. I've always been a button pusher. I HATE software having control over my life, virtual or not.

I just recently made a macro that will pop all my skill buffs (Enhanced Armor, Holy Protection and Magic Barrier) for me and I'm still apprehensive about using it.

these rules look OK in my perspective, maybe because I'm not much of a crafter (I occasionally sit in my house and bump up some raw materials while I go make a sandwich. But rarely have I done that for long periods of time (then again, that doesn't look to be "illegal" per these rules).

Now, what about fusion addon, which automatically creates mana stones for you? If your ping is good enough you can crank that thing up and have it bust out a hundred T5's in a little under a minute, provided you have the pack space and a fast mouse finger sitting next to the Fusion stone vendor. Sometimes your chat gets consumed by the status messages it creates and messages quickly become buried. I know I've missed several important PM's from people due to this.

I'm a bit interested as to why "Weapon skill leveling through auto attack, such as the eggs in Tergothen Bay" is allowed. That technically improving your character skills/TP/XP/attributes while AFK which is usually not allowed whatsoever in other games.

But, it all comes down to one thing which has been mentioned multiple times in this thread:

We have issues relating to gold buying/selling, diamond prices through the roof due to them (heck, we just had one on Reni that spammed twice or three times in a row in WC about selling gold, then bought about 400 diamonds from the AH. There's 400 diamonds removed permanently from circulation), NPC names that are now all messed up, an economy that's trashed, major bugs and they're worrying about what you can do while AFK or not? GF needs to get their priorities straight. Refer to my signature if you need a hint.

Well Cike it can be setup for botting, ask the creator of it, he will tell you. Too many people always look for the easy way out and be lazy in the game. I worked hard on mine, i earned what i have on every toon i have, i have spent real money on them. Those people will always find a way around the rules to make it so.

I denounced a lot of people who do that, hack, cheat, exploit etc, for what? to get stabbed in the back for one add-on that help us make free stuff for people? How many times have i given free hero pots in world, sold them for 100K a stack, given gear away to noobs, just hoping for Gameforge to listen to the community for once and not NERFING everything into the ground in game because of a few morons.

they nerfed scouts, knights, mages, priest, whose next? wardens because they can out DPS the poor little rogues bouhouhou. Too many think that running a hard instance should be done in 6 man instead of 12, so they can sell gear for premium gold and split it. Is that helping the community as a whole? hell no.

Where is EDH with their mentalities of supremacy over all in game?? all banned? permabanned? they supposedly left for the other servers loll, i think they didn't have a choice really. Sad that most of their players have always been part of the dark side of the game on Reni and broken up more guilds than i can name. Sometimes just for the fun of it, in spite or because they could, which is pretty sad.

GAMEFORGE STOP REMOVING fun aspect of the game, which have no consequences on the endgamers or the economy of the game ;-(

i agree 100% with Jguy post +100000000000000000000000000000

Hells to the no on the diyce ban idea. It is a tool that involves you sitting at the pc still involves button pressing. If I go AFK my diyce goes AFK. It does not bot. My warlock has a much more complex skill wheel than say my rogue that does not use diyce. Diyce helps my speed and accuracy in PVE as it is quite pointless for my lock in PVP since the variables are to vast to calculate and automate without slowing me down. I understand Pet Auto Craft although that one cannot really hurt so its stupid. Plus pet crafting has a dumb cap to my knowledge that can never take advantage of newer recipes like lv 75/80 foods.


EDIT

Rom took steps a long time ago to make sure diyce cannot be abused. They eliminated chain commands in a way so that you have to press something for 1 thing to happen and then press again for another 1 thing to happen. What is the difference really between me pressing the skills warp charge, flaming heart strike, soul brand sting or me pressing Diyce macro, Diyce Macro, Diyce Macro. With Diyce i may shave off a few milliseconds of time of moving my mouse and I could possibly lose time if diyce takes too long to think about it.

Someone over there created a script to check if you are using PAC (and apparently the model folder)... yeah, they can't even script something to deal with gold spammers. Calm down people. :growup:

As far as the mention of DIYCE in this thread... In it's currently published form, it is not able to help anyone bot. Are there ways to make it more botlike or to be a full out bot? Yes. If you know what you are doing, you can get it to that point. However, go look at the two threads, I would say at this point in the game, there might be like 3 people playing right now that know how to do that, myself being one of them. I know of one other, and I can only guess there might be one more out there that I do not know of who has worked in silence. Again, calm down about DIYCE people.

My suggestion for DIYCE moving forward... Don't ban it, but go ahead and hide (don't delete - so you can bring it back if you decide to) both threads and let's see how many new players can get it working without any documentation. Hell, let's see how many who currently use it can get it working for a new class they want to try! My guess is not many anymore. From my experience over the years is that most people just copypasta sections of script to get it working, even if it's not optimized to what they want.

Quoted from "danielrayment"

I would however HAPPILY see DYCE banned plz and ty. Lazy mans way of dpsing.

Definatley agree with this. :p Would like to see players, mainly rogues use actual skills :p NO person can click immunes/skills/pots as fast a diyce can automate them, would just be more fair in the gameplay :p

Anyways, I'm cool with PAC being taboo. Too many people just sit there and afk while crafting, so I'm happy with this.

Funny how zid's always like "omg guys just stahp complaining thats all you guys do blah blah blah gameforge is actually trying, i love gameforge." yeah. now look whos doing it.

Well Gigi i am able to give credit where it is due, not flame on everything like you have been doing for the last 2 months. Either you need help or need some time off.

This is an issue that needs to be adressed, wanna see hero pots at 1M a stack? less and less food in AH that people can buy, at prices only endgamers can afford. I think about the lower level players and how to help them, giving away free hero pots helps them. Unlike some endgamers i don'T think only about me.

Dyice should be removed as a whole from the game, i have said that for 2 years now, that is the only thing i agree on your post.

As for the PAC i agree too many were botting the damn thing, i buy stuff, put my alts in guild castle overnight to process in the morning, i never stood next to a vendor because always tought it was cheating.

As i said they are trying and hopefully they listen to this post, that our CM'S will actually pass this along and help us, maybe you should try being constructive for a while. But you seem to have a hard time with other peoples opinions and always need to start flaming and trolling.

have a nice day

Quoted from "zidlef"

Well Gigi i am able to give credit where it is due, not flame on everything like you have been doing for the last 2 months. Either you need help or need some time off.

This is an issue that needs to be adressed, wanna see hero pots at 1M a stack? less and less food in AH that people can buy, at prices only endgamers can afford. I think about the lower level players and how to help them, giving away free hero pots helps them. Unlike some endgamers i don'T think only about me.

As i said they are trying and hopefully they listen to this post, that our CM'S will actually pass this along and help us, maybe you should try being constructive for a while. But you seem to have a hard time with other peoples opinions and always need to start flaming and trolling.

have a nice day

I give credit where credit is due as well. And not much credit due anywhere latley, especially on your posts. But mainly within the game. Btw I havent been flaming anything really within the past two months, if you can show me some threads i'd be much obliged. Also, I don't play a lot anymore anyways, so to say i need "help or "time off" well, i barley play anyways, so not sure where you're getting your information from.

An issue that needs to be addressed? what because it just now hit your server? hero pots and craftable foods allready cost a bit on palenque b/c well, not many people craft, level cap foods go for about 1-3m for 10. Not even endgamers can really afford it, on palenque. Been liek this since the newest patch, so not sure why you're just now complaining. Just b/c we cant use PAC so you think prices will go up more? so let them, no one will buy then theyll have to lower their prices, ( except for people with hacked gold who can buy and raise even higher)

For them "trying" I among others have seen nothing done ever since "TheChihuahua" had his private server chat and said thered be more talk among the people who play the game with the staff. Where is this communication? Maybe it got lost on it's way to the U.S. in the Bermuda triangle, who knows. Only we the players are to speculate.

Also I'm not "trolling" possibly "flaming" but it seems you have a problem with others stating their opinions as well, i forgot, my opinon doesnt match yours so its MUST be wrong. Also I am being constructive, I'm usually always constructive, see my post about quests in chrysalia! thats constructive. Only time i see YOU post is when you're complaining or riding on gameforge reverse cowboy.

And yes, i will have a nice day, But i don't think ill be going back to your walmart anytime sooon btw, the neosporin is in the pharmacy isle.

Quoted from "gigilomann"

NO person can click immunes/skills/pots as fast a diyce can automate them, would just be more fair in the gameplay

But anyone can use Diyce so I do not see your point. Player A can buff faster than Player B because of diyce. Player B gets Diyce now they are equal.

Now Player A uses diyce in siege and buffs faster but kills slower. Player B kills Player A because he found out diyce is not as good as using your brain in siege. All his fast buffs are gone and Player A has to use PAC to get more hero pots.

Quoted from "Mrpushpop"

Quoted from "gigilomann"

NO person can click immunes/skills/pots as fast a diyce can automate them, would just be more fair in the gameplay

But anyone can use Diyce so I do not see your point. Player A can buff faster than Player B because of diyce. Player B gets Diyce now they are equal.

Now Player A uses diyce in siege and buffs faster but kills slower. Player B kills Player A because he found out diyce is not as good as using your brain in siege. All his fast buffs are gone and Player A has to use PAC to get more hero pots.

Interesting because the original purpose of DIYCE was to help potentially disabled people play the game. Not to help you "buff faster".

Now that this topic has turned into a flame war between zid and gigi you can expect this thread to be closed soon.

Quoted from "Jguy"

Quoted from "Mrpushpop"

Quoted from "gigilomann"

NO person can click immunes/skills/pots as fast a diyce can automate them, would just be more fair in the gameplay

But anyone can use Diyce so I do not see your point. Player A can buff faster than Player B because of diyce. Player B gets Diyce now they are equal.

Now Player A uses diyce in siege and buffs faster but kills slower. Player B kills Player A because he found out diyce is not as good as using your brain in siege. All his fast buffs are gone and Player A has to use PAC to get more hero pots.

Interesting because the original purpose of DIYCE was to help potentially disabled people play the game. Not to help you "buff faster".

Now that this topic has turned into a flame war between zid and gigi you can expect this thread to be closed soon.

Flame war please, it was just a flame battle, i won the war before it even began, besides i was just "expressing my opinion" I'm done now anyways

Franky, I have no idea where the aversion to DIYCE in some of the remarks above comes from. The whole addon system is about easier access/automatizing access to some features/actions. If it allows too much it should be blocked within lua and would not be an issue of DIYCE itself (example: if I remember correctly a while ago the kinds of actions you can do as a reaction to a whisper was limited to make it more difficult to control another toon by whispering to her - once more: a generic lua issue, not about DYICE itself).

I'm not that fast with hitting keys, you know. I do gladly spend a lot of time to understand skills of my classes, figure out what combos to use in what situations etc. But then this gets encoded in DYICE. I do have fun with this way of setting up my game play. What is wrong with it? It's not an action game where it's all just about timing of your key hits, imho.

Also, my feeling is that often DIYCE flattens the differences between classes rather than increasing them. People who have classes easy to play with just a few basic skills don't use DIYCE, but what the game asks of them is not too complex anyway. And some classes do need complex combos and without some automation provided by DIYCE would simply not be playable, imho. People who don't understand their skills still can follow someone else's advice (first A then B then C) or a guide from the forum without understanding. How using DIYCE without understanding details of how it works is different, really?

There is a thin difference between automation provided by macros and by DIYCE (even though DIYCE is more powerful/flexible) and even thiner between DIYCE and other lua-based addons. By banning DIYCE you would just force increase of copying-and-pasting of macros, and annoy many experienced players who actually understood their class well enough to modify or write their own DIYCE. And noobs will be noobs - I don't think copied-and-pasted DIYCE would give them such a big advantage (at least: they still do need to know which skills to level or when to use which of the combos). Also, for players who are starting with a new class ready DIYCE scripts do (in my experience - often) serve as mini-tutorials => you immediately get an idea of a class-specific play style, skill order/importance etc. even faster than by reading a text guide in the forum.

I'd say, the idea to eliminate all the automation from the game is silly. It does not seem to be fun (at least to me) to click 6 skills in almost the same order for a few minutes during a longer fight a few times a day every day. Really - automatizing some things may increase the fun factor and there is no need to label every bit of automation as "boting".

It doesn't really matter diyce isn't going anywhere as it commonly accepted and rom is perfectly fine with it. TROLLS be trolls.

I like your point Uure and it was heard but i wasnt trolling Mrpushpop. Too many people like ghostwolf said, use diyce without really knowing what they're doing, jsut using other people's diyce. And still their toon can do outstanding dps b/c of someone elses work. Like ghostwolf said hide it or something for the noobs, but let the players who actuallyknow what they're doing use it

Uure, posts like that help to restore my faith in the people who play this game and use DIYCE, thank you.

Any devise or add on which makes it easier for someone to do anything or gives them an advantage in any way should be banned, because it requires that everyone get and use that add on to play the game on a level playing field. You should not have to add other programs to the game and then have game decided by who has the best add on and can program the add on better which sadly enough is what is going on now.
What is even sadder is that people are not learning anything about the game because they have to use diyce to try to compete because without it they are at far too much a disadvantage to the people who use it. So they never get to learn through their own experience how to play the game without it.
The advantage of diyce is it makes it easier to automate your actions and cuts the possibility you may hit a wrong key or mistime your hit so it removes the chance of human error in combat in order to save some key strokes. Which makes combat other than hitting the key to start the sequence here and there and a little motion a bot event. Yes it allows some people to abuse diyce to bot. As with any other tools it is abused. relying on the integrity of the people who use a tool to limit its use to what is approved is just not realistic.
Most games ban all add ons because of the ability to abuse them and ROM is an example of what happens when you don't.

I agree with you last part too aardvark. I talk to my friends who play WoW, i have two ( that play wow) and they dont een know what diyce is

Quoted from "Cike"

u feel disadvantaged? get some diyce and make your own script...

if you can already play your class good, your diyce will be good, if you can't play your class, your diyce will suck also...

i think diyce is a great thing, i, however, hate people who give out full scripts for combos...diyce is really a great thing if it stays DIY...

Why should I have to get an outside program to play this game? why must I write a script for each of my characters to play this game? This is not about playing the game but having an outside program controlling the game and making everyone who plays the game get that program and learn to program it to play it on an even field. That is wrong.