Runes of Magic US / AU

Quoted from "Cike"

start here gigi...

That doesn't teach me how to use it! read my post.

It's nearly impossible to create any good script for healer. Well usually I kick out actions that heal would require out of my scripts, as DIYCE still can not thing and anticipate future and that really distinguishes good healer from bad. As for disabling macros for SW.... Well it would be fun, self targeting to avoid pets etc... But I will definitely like that change (but I suppose it will not be possible).

here is a little more of an explanation for DIYCE.

You set up a list which has rules in the list. Think of it as a priority list. For instance:

Shot
vamp arrows if focus>30
combo shot


So you set the list of skills in the order you want them, and if you need to put a qualifier on to it (like mana cost/focus/etc)

Then you set up a macro with a single line of text, I don't remember what it was, but it tells you. I would have to dig through my stuff again.

You then drag that In game macro out into your bar, to lets say 1. THen when you hit 1, it looks at your list, if a skill is in cool down or the condition is not met, it moves to the next down. So you press once, it would use shot, second time (it sees shot is in cooldown and you have enough focus) so it shoots vamp arrows. You hit it a third time (if shot is still in CD and so is vamp arrows) it uses combo shot, 4th by now shot is out of cooldown (maybe long before this) so it uses shot.


It is a way to set up a list of skills to use when it can, or when you want it to, and each time your press a button the script does all the decision making on what to use. Thus removing the need for you to think, react, adapt.... and replaces it with a one-button-mashing monstrosity. Making it possible for people who wanted P/S to be a one button wonder..... to be able to play other classes the same.


They don't even have to figure out how to write it, cause guilds will give their guildies scripts they have been given and so on and so on.


It is not botting, it shouldn't be bannable.... it is just kinda lame.

Quoted from "Dkjester"

They don't even have to figure out how to write it, cause guilds will give their guildies scripts they have been given and so on and so on.


It is not botting, it shouldn't be bannable.... it is just kinda lame.

If this is what is happening, then I am ashamed that people are using it this way. Everyone I have talked to on both servers I have played on I taught them how to use it, and how to write up their own scripts. Thus I have not ran across this happening. What a shame on those that would just give someone the script without having them learn anything. Though it explains why the DIYCE threads have become such a ghost town (double pun not intended).

yeah ghost I know a lot of people IG who were like "yea a friend of mine got a DIYCE script from someone in X guild, they are going to give it to me"


I loved learning how it works and playing with it, I thought it was cool on a programming level..... Then I never used it lol. Course mage and w/m what real rotation do you have to DIYCE. Write macros to buff for burn, hit macros spam flame and hit buff macros electric rage x3, spam lightning, electric rage x1 (before wears off), repeat....

Yeah though, it is pretty sad that people are just grabbing scripts and becoming one-button zombies.

Mage macro for pvp is simple lol just put every instant cast attack into a macro without wait timers and spam it. We don't need diyce since our cooldowns do the work for us

Wow. With that being the case, I can totally understand now where people have been coming from with their hate for DIYCE... I don't even know what to really say at this point. I'm sorry I unleashed this sort of thing now. I optimized the thing to make it run better and smoother because that's just what I do, it's how my brain works when I see code doing what it was doing. I had to make it better, and now people are abusing it. I feel truly sorry for the individuals that are using it and have no clue how to do so. I don't want to see my baby gone... I have put so much time and effort into it over the years just out of love for the code...

I say this out of love for my addon, for love of the things the old community accomplished with it and made it grow, all the memories of all the people and the work they put into it, I really hope all of you can see just how much I love DIYCE for the pure reasons and not out of an aspect to be lazy, and I also hope you know just how badly saying this next line really hurts me, but if this is the case and it is as bad as everyone is saying... then yes, ban DIYCE.



~GW

Ghost i am sad for you ;-(, you did put a lot of effort coding it, trying to help people with it and as i told you in vent the other day, they turned it into a monstrosity. I am just ashame of what they did with your creation ;-(

Nah Ghost, Don't let the few bad people in the world ruin a good thing. We have had nights in our teamspeak with several of us talking posting skills and working on improving rotations. Rom changes skills or in my case adds new ones to often to get comfortable. I would say a good chunk of my guild uses diyce and everyone that I have dealt with knows how to work it. If you want to use diyce in Deadly I have always required a few things. First you figure out how to download/ add it yourself. 2nd we will help you build what you want to do with advice (because your avg player knows nothing about text files). but you are largely responsible for your own diyce. These things have made several of our people more knowledgeable and better players and makes for great conversations late at night such as how can I improve this? or what if I put skill B before A and then requires testing etc... Honestly I love it for its teaching value. I feel like some of our players would of never thought about how to optimize their rotation if it was not for diyce. We have a few players that have switched to Kitty Combo for the user interface (the ones patience enough to wade through the japanese portions. That makes for even more hilarious convos.

Well being one button ushers must be so much fun, oh wait they nerfed Iceblade for that reason, mmhhhh, BAN DYICE is all i have to say. Same thing for Hide, DYICE is mainly for ROGUES, so stop favorising one class over others. Get rid of it and let them use in game macros as it was intended at first. People abused it, remove it and let's see the real players PLAY and HAVE FUN!!

You didn't know this Ghost? Most people who use DIYCE dont know a thing about it, its just other people's they get from another person. Most r/wd's or r/s's DIYCE on palenque is Odells diyce. Most ch/r's DIYCE on palenque is Miz's. Other classes are from the forums. Most people don't even know how to read the code, they just too lazy, and its gotten to the point where the players who use it just have an advantage over everyone else in almsot aspect, you can say yes, then you use it its your choice to NOT use it, but wheres the fun in that? I just htink it more fair everyone on the same playing feild.

I think you're a cool dude and we go back, and i udnerstand the hard work it takes to making diyce "coding and such" but even if you agree, like you stated previously, they cant ban diyce without banning some of their own lua coding for macros..

Even if you took your diyce off the forums, people would still have it in game and jsut share with others.

Quoted from "zidlef"

Well being one button ushers must be so much fun, oh wait they nerfed Iceblade for that reason, mmhhhh, BAN DYICE is all i have to say. Same thing for Hide, DYICE is mainly for ROGUES, so stop favorising one class over others. Get rid of it and let them use in game macros as it was intended at first. People abused it, remove it and let's see the real players PLAY and HAVE FUN!!

Actually iceblade was banned b/c of the infinate mana pool and it being spammable not b/c it was a one button. DIYCE is actually to make rotations easier for classes with long rotations such as rogues/warriors/champion and whoever else.

Quoted from "zidlef"

BAN DYICE is all i have to say. Same thing for Hide, DYICE is mainly for ROGUES, so stop favorising one class over others. Get rid of it and let them use in game macros as it was intended at first. People abused it, remove it and let's see the real players PLAY and HAVE FUN

Diyce is not going anywhere for reason that have been stated over and over again. If magically Diyce vanished off the face of the earth, there are other programs that do the same things such as Kitty Combo. There will always be someone that abuses something, if you cannot get past that then stop playing games now cause it will happen even to the best of games. This point should be made clear "You cannot get rid of diyce without getting rid of In game Macros." They use the same code! If you want to get rid of all macros then you are asking rom to strip itself of something all successful MMO's have and they will not do it. Isn't it time to move on from a pointless discussion that you cannot win. We can all argue, fight, smear poop on the walls but nothing will change no matter how hard you kick and scream for the reasons mentioned above. I will keep on using diyce the way it was intended smiling knowing that no matter what you all say it isn't going anywhere.

Funny how all rogues were QQ'ing about Iceblade and getting killed by a PRIEST loll, you guys are the one defending DYICE the most, why? because you can't play without DYICE. But you can get GCD not to be in effect with it, among other things you can do with DYICE, some others that will not be mentionned for not opening the door to hell for the game. Enough people are just here to try to find every exploits on any facets of the game. But some people can't accept not to cheat/exploit or hack, because they can'T win without doing so. But that is a reality of life.

Can't remove DYICE without removing macros? well remove them all, i don'T use them, so i couldn't care less loll

All that defend DYICE, please tell us that it does not make it ignore some GCD on some skills? i dare you to swear to this that it does not. Altough i wouldn't be surprised people would lie about that, just for the fact that people will lie about anything these days.

Honor is a thing true Knights would know about

P.S. How many posts were made by rogues on the Iceblade threads?? lol

I don't even use diyce...in fact I hate the damn thing...but your wrong zid, it doesnt allow you to ignore GCD. Everything related to skills and casts is server side, diyce runs client side. The reason it looks like its ignoring GCH is lag + it being able to respond faster than an average player can manually.

And i like my macro's...in fact I want another 20 or so macro slots D: Don't touch them!

Quoted from "zidlef"

Funny how all rogues were QQ'ing about Iceblade and getting killed by a PRIEST loll, you guys are the one defending DYICE the most, why? because you can't play without DYICE. But you can get GCD not to be in effect with it, among other things you can do with DYICE, some others that will not be mentionned for not opening the door to hell for the game. Enough people are just here to try to find every exploits on any facets of the game. But some people can't accept not to cheat/exploit or hack, because they can'T win without doing so. But that is a reality of life.

Can't remove DYICE without removing macros? well remove them all, i don'T use them, so i couldn't care less loll

All that defend DYICE, please tell us that it does not make it ignore some GCD on some skills? i dare you to swear to this that it does not. Altough i wouldn't be surprised people would lie about that, just for the fact that people will lie about anything these days.

Honor is a thing true Knights would know about

P.S. How many posts were made by rogues on the Iceblade threads?? lol

I have to say Zid is pretty right here. Even back then, Iceblade used to kill me and I complained about it. But some of us actually learned how to play properly and get some MDef for PVP. Of course, being a Knight probably helped a bit, but still. The only ones I saw complaining about Ice Blade were Rogues. And now, look at the best, easiest class and less gimped class to play in the game...you guessed it, Rogues.

I can see both sides of the fence about DIYCE. I can see how it can be percieved as botting, but at the same time, not. It lets you play your class with as little thinking as possible. Tell me, where is the fun in that? Where is the fun and reward for just pushing one button without worrying about cooldowns or focus/psi/rage/etc.? From my standpoint, making the mistake and LEARNING from the mistake that you made is what makes you better. If you accidentally hit your Shot and it's still in CD, you just learned something. If you also learn how to customize your interface and key assignments, you don't have to 'click' like so many people say you do. You can easily assign ALL of the hotkey bar skill/buff food/pot assignments to keys on your keyboard or mouse buttons on your mouse.

DIYCE makes me think of Gambits from Final Fantasy XII (Not sure if I can mention that here because it's another game but it's not multiplayer and therefore no competition to GF). I HATED using the Gambits. It removed all the fun to just let your characters come into range and just attack stuff or heal your characters automatically. With gambits the game quickly turned into moving the analog stick to relocate your character and pushing X to navigate through dialogs. While it's not the exact same thing as DIYCE, it's pretty close. You're essentially letting your computer do your attacking for you. While you're still pushing a button, you're letting the computer make the decision for you, therefore putting it (somewhat) in the classification of a 'bot'. For me, that's not fun. I can't see how that's fun for anyone else, either. Even closer resemblance was 'Auto Attack' from Final Fantasy XIII. It automatically chose the best skill rotation and attack combination to make the most out of your ATB or the enemy you were fighting. Again, ruined the fun and GAMEPLAY aspect of the GAME. Human interaction. Funny, I always thought you were supposed to get that from a Massively MultiPLAYER Role PLAYING game.

Read the code. There is no command in there that says ignore GCD. There may be broken skills out there that ignore GCD, but they are not broken because of DIYCE, nor do they require DIYCE to remain broken. There is nothing DIYCE can do that you can not do as a human. I LOL at all you attributing your opponents godlike powers to DIYCE, cause, you know, they must be using something...so DIYCE it is...

And, if they do decide to ban the functions that DIYCE uses, could they start with TargetNearestEnemy cause that one is really borked up.

Well it can ignore GCD, been told by quite a few that uses it and it does, explains a lot of crap going in siege with it, some call it lag so they don't ban the use of it. I have no problem with macros, i was just making a point Cammo ;-)

As per the people who uses it have told me, there are a lot more you can do with it and it is called exploiting the game, as to why i will not mention them.

I've told the old GM's about Garsak and what he wanted to do, they did nothing, look what happened. I just must be DISTURBED loll.

TYVM to the new team that takes players seriously when an issue occurs, Saito you ROCK!!!!!

Keep up the good work guys and gals ;-)

Zid,

Your hatred for rogues never stopped to amaze me. FYI, most endgame rogues I know don't use DIYCE. In my opinion DIYCE really shines for wd combos where it makes CC weaving so much easier. So you should switch your diyce hatred to wd/x or x/wd...

I don't use DIYCE, but it does help people with lag or so they say. I am rogue and I really don't see why as a rogue you even need to use diyce.

Bottom line, pve its fine; pvp, as I mentioned, just disable all macro/dyice etc - that would be fun then, nothing automated and same level field - pro rogue will still kill you Zid, diyce or no diyce...

Well hope i encounter one soon Heddin ;-)

Did you get your account back finally??