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I am a lock (retired rogue) but I have stated many times my rogue never used diyce because it slowed me down in PVP. Get over the

Quoted from "zidlef"

Well it can ignore GCD, been told by quite a few that uses it and it does

OMG! This pointless argument again! GUESS WHAT else can ignore GCH.. SPAMMING A SKILL! the GCD issue has nothing AT ALL to do with diyce. In fact if you want to take full advantage of a GCD error you don't want to use diyce as spamming with your finger is much faster.

Quoted from "zidlef"

All that defend DYICE, please tell us that it does not make it ignore some GCD on some skills?

u r simply TOTALLY UNAWARE of diyce mechanics!!

diyce will NEVER allow u to surpass GCD. NEVER. its just pure coding.

GCD is broken ingame cause it can be surpassed with SKILL SPAMMING FROM KEYBOARD. ONLY! diyce will never break the GCD for u.
if u spamm wind arrows from keyboard button u can break gcd and shoot 2 arrows very close to each other. with diyce u CANNOT do that, no matter how fast u press the macro.

if u r ignorant on how diyce works, stay out of the discussion or read to learn.




As for another post previously, i totally agree

"if they ban diyce, they will need to remove EVERY SINGLE MACRO ingame"

diyce is no magic! its just proper use of macro command. if they remove it, i will still be able to do 80%-90% of what i have programmed at diyce to do. but then, u will still be whining. stop that! diyce has nothing to do with that.



how about to remove diyce? hey, just remove all macros! or better, remove all addons ingame. y better!

u remember the rom interface teh 1st day u opened the client? i m sure u do remember it. so lets get back to 1900's to play the game just because some ppl deny to accept their ignorance on macroing basics.

Fin - Macan

I did not, I tried but nothing. support says it was botting, botting = permanent ban, no discussion. Sad and unfair, just like real life sometime. Worst part support don't even try to see individual case, just same rule across the board.

So yeah, I don't think I will have pleasure to meet you again in siege

Achilleas, so GCD is broken in game you say? so you guys are all aware of that? so we agree on that. So using Dyice is exploiting the client flaws and as doing so, it becomes an admitted exploit on your part. TYVM for finally admitting it is an exploit and hopefully Gameforge takes actions on this situation.

Heddin, i thought you might have gotten 30 day not permanent, well i am sad for you ;-(

Most endgame rogues i know on palenque use DIYCE. actually, its the same as all the other rogues DIYCE lol.

Quoted from "zidlef"

Achilleas, so GCD is broken in game you say? so you guys are all aware of that? so we agree on that. So using Dyice is exploiting the client flaws and as doing so, it becomes an admitted exploit on your part. TYVM for finally admitting it is an exploit and hopefully Gameforge takes actions on this situation.

Heddin, i thought you might have gotten 30 day not permanent, well i am sad for you ;-(

OMG !! open your eyes !!!!


GCD is broken ingame for AGES !!!!! i ve posted in other topics be4 too about that.

what u do not understand is that diyce users CANNOT USE THIS "EXPLOIT".

read the above statement again.

diyce users CANNOT

I'll go ahead and put an end to this particular disagreement right now...

DIYCE can, does, and always has used the GCD issues to help speed up what people using it do to specifically exploit that game flaw. It became a central point topic of discussion at one point in the original DIYCE thread because of scouts being able to get off 3 skills at once, and we wanted to see just how far we could get the timer down.

Zid,

Yeah, I admitted to break that afk rule unknowingly, and accept I should get some punishment. I always only wanted to try to change it from perm to temp, but nothing could be done. Support just replied with general comments. Whats worse, support banned my support account too saying I contacted them too often (I guess they feel if you get permanent ban, just accept it and move on), so now there is truly nothing that I can do. I really feel GF support should be more considerate, as it is it looks like they just pushed me aside.

Regarding DYICE, again, I am fine either way as I don't use it but some people like it, especially new people. Think about it, even if they don't know how to use it yet and using script provided - nothing wrong with that. I am sure many with time will become curious and try to modify it. Also, most scripts available in open are not good, some even remarkably bad, especially for rogues. But again, let new folks learn, if it will allow more people to stay, then great.

Don't be silly, don't ban it....

Quoted from "zidlef"

hopefully Gameforge takes actions on this situation.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

That is funny man, too funny.

But in this case I am glad.

BTW I know a few charge chop spammers that will not use diyce because the GCD can be taken advantage of in way better ways. This has been posted many many times. This is a game problem not a diyce problem. I would wager most of these diyce haters are hypocrites that use some add on that "auto" does something. Fusion, Arcane upgrade, Advanced Auction House, Ultimate Mail Mod, etc.. If you use any of these add ons or buffing macros and hate diyce leave this thread cause your fighting against yourself.

Quoted from "ghostwolf82"

I'll go ahead and put an end to this particular disagreement right now...

DIYCE can, does, and always has used the GCD issues to help speed up what people using it do to specifically exploit that game flaw. It became a central point topic of discussion at one point in the original DIYCE thread because of scouts being able to get off 3 skills at once, and we wanted to see just how far we could get the timer down.

ghost the gcd issue is abit different from what u mention.

as the creator of diyce u know that a skill is not used until it becomes "usable", meaning that it is not "greyed" at the skillbar.

the gcd ingame is broken though. u can force the skill even if its grey. just smash the button, even though skill is not usable and u can manage fire the skill off before the gcd ends.

this is what i try to explain as seems i cannot get comprehended.

diyce users are the only ones that do not benefit from this broken feature and i cannot understand why they r blamed for surpassing gcd

if u spam charged chop via diyce u fire 1 CC every 1sec
if u spam charged chop via smashing the CC-button on ur action bar u can get CC fired more often than once per 1sec.

if they need to fix something its the gcd ingame flaw, that diyce has nothing to do with

Correct, the game is flawed, on that we agree.

However, DIYCE is actually coded to specifically take advantage of that flaw. Thus, DIYCE users, and non-DIYCE users both can take advantage of the GCD flaw if you press the buttons fast enough. Whether that be a macro or just a skill button on the action bar.

Meaning this is a non issue, and neither side of this argument can gripe at the other over it. Time to find something else to complain/argue about/for/against DIYCE.

My only problem at this point is people handing out scripts like a pez dispenser. If someone wants to use DIYCE, they need to learn how it works!

Quoted from "Cike"

Quoted from "zidlef"

Achilleas, so GCD is broken in game you say? so you guys are all aware of that? so we agree on that. So using Dyice is exploiting the client flaws and as doing so, it becomes an admitted exploit on your part. TYVM for finally admitting it is an exploit and hopefully Gameforge takes actions on this situation.

Heddin, i thought you might have gotten 30 day not permanent, well i am sad for you ;-(

ooo, scouts spam WA faster than GCD, wardens spam CC faster than GCD...BAN THEM ALL FOR EXPLOITING!!!!!

when you play on knight, do you make sure to wait for at least 1 second between skills? if you don't, they may go off before GCD is up...that's exploiting you know...


edit: @ghost: maybe you could make a function in diyce such that it checks some variable that would be unique for every character(dunno what you can check, maybe char name, some ID number, title), and will not activate unless the condition is met, forcing the user to change the diyce to accommodate their unique character. for experienced users, this would be easy, just changing a couple lines of code, but for those ctrl+c, ctrl+v diycer's, they would be pretty much locked out until they learned how to at least edit it...

That's flawed too thoguht Cike b/c all they'd hae to do is ask, or get the new code form someone who knows how to do it.

in another game I played someone developed an addon which was really OP, but only wanted some to use it. He set up an account system, which authed or not on character log in. Course... he then sold it. I don't think this would be applicable but if it was you could suspend/remove access for people being found to abuse it by not learning how to use it, or giving away their scripts. Course my guess would be that even if you could do this, it would only apply to recent downloads and the old downloads would work as originally designed.

I just more or less think that it was a great idea of... if you can learn it, you can use it. I don't know why people had to ruin it.

DIYCE IS used to do things that should not be possible. Just look at every warden and /warden that uses it to spam charged chop in between each one of their skills. No human being can possibly ever do it as efficiently as DIYCE can. While I don't really care either way if DIYCE is banned or not, it is fact that it can be used to do things that the developers probably never intended to be possible. For example scripts can be written for scouts to target and shoot at hidden rogues inhumanly fast; much faster than would ever be possible as an actual player.

Reducing this game to one button smashing because you don't want to actually have to play it is a pretty sad, depressing way to play, but to each their own I suppose.

And Zid.. please.. shut up. You're making yourself look like an idiot. Yelling bloody murder about your hatred of Rogues and Ice Blade in a DIYCE thread and making it all about you is really pathetic. Just stop. The topic at hand is DIYCE, not your misguided views on Rogues nor your completely wrong rambling complaining about things that DIYCE can't even do. DIYCE will not ignore the global cooldown any more than spamming a skill by hand will. Didn't we all prove that when people were whining about Ice Blade? Nothing ignores GCD, even though it might seem that way.

DK, it is pretty simple, people like to go around the rules, make it easy to farm stuff, so they don't have to work for it. We've seen that with Thargonal, then with 1st boss in KBNH, TAZ, R/M and multiple others.

Some people just go all day trying to find loop holes or exploits to make it easy on them, but never would they share the info with the rest of us, would ruin their economical ways of being free to play, loll.

Until they make it a rule, because often Gameforge will not know about this, because they have bigger issues to get done. But when they do find out, some people will still break the rules and then get banned for it, how many were doing Taz even after they advise us not to do it?? Just look for the accounts with 1 billion and more TP on them, that would give you an idea.

People are the way they are, i don't cheat,hack etc, but for some are like that loser 50 cents or is it 1/2 dollar or 10 dimes, lie, cheat and steal moto and that is how they view life, no honor, no respect, which is pretty sad if you ask me.

DYICE had a good intention when Ghostwolf made it, he is genuinely an awesome individual, but like Einstein, they turned his creation into a tool for evil ;-(. Ghost don't feel bad, it's not your fault ;-)

Well the "breaking GCD" problem is not DIYCE issue, actually it's a bit harder to break GCD with DIYCE than manually, as addon "fires" skills about 20% slower (in my case) then theoretical maximum. Besides it's only PvP problem, as after using 2-5 skills in 1 sec, then you will have not 1s GCD, but 2-5s GCD. Of course it is frustrating if you get more than 1 (or I should say due to no GCD skills 3) skills in sec, but this is game not DIYCE issue.

DPS with DIYCE - form my perspective you can gain really much with complicated rotation or many non-GCD skills, so as said before WD/X and X/WD with CC. DK if it would be possible to spam all skills manually from keyboard so fast. Probably it would be - maybe even faster, well DIYCE gave me like 10% more DPS (with good skill rotation) compared to only spamming CC, so supposedly I could beat that easily even with some mistakes, that every normal human makes, not mentioning ordinary in-game macro, to spam CC and 1-2 other skills. So definitely not rouge problem, rather warden. The reason people use DIYCE is they like play simple.

So whats fan from this simple game you ask? First of all for some fun from game is not actually playing it, but checking what's better, improving something, finding some in-game formulas, even being here at forum etc. Second this is MMO not game of skill, so whoever hits the button first win or you have to do that in exact 0,2s or you die (not mentioning that this is current trend in MMOs, maybe that's way some stick to ROM with DIYCE, just to run away from that) - it's more about playing with community, finding dungeons tactics.... Simply hitting 10 keys doing exact same thing (ex. doing DMG) is much more boring, than hitting one for that and for some it could be even one key for DMG and also for healing, immune, interrupt boss spells and whatever you can do with DIYCE. Of course some would like to hit those 10 keys, look for boss debuffs, hp (both self and boss), positioning of everyone else in raid, aggro, tactical phase of boss, energy pool and many other things and this is fun for them (no irony - really). If everyone would like same things there wouldn't be so many games, just one universal super entertaining for anybody.

I would agree, that players just copy/pasting can be an issue, but look my previous paragraph. Fun is not same thing for everyone - deal with it. And form my perspective I know many people simply copy/pasting that do really bad DPS, because they have found some old combo, some would abandon addon, some will keep doing poor DPS and some will learn something to improve their rotation. I have myself start form copy/paste, well I have never really used original pasted script version (as for - well everything I have my own opinion, I also need my own rotation), but it gave me perspective how DIYCE works (without it my knowledge would simply be insufficient), actually I would like every (well most) class combinations included in DIYCE with some not optimized combo, just to give people something to start from. Some will take a shortcut, find some well written script and copy/paste, but they will never be good enough, as probably any change in skills will destroy their DPS, besides they will loose opportunity to make scripts that actually suits them, instead of trying be suitable for the script.

For the things that DIYCE can do.... Well you can do same things and much more with different "tools", so again you can't blame DIYCE, as originally it is not implemented there.

I do agree with pietroasp.

I understand that GCD issue is clear - nothing in fact to do with DIYCE, no point discussing it further here, right? (BTW, it should probably either get fixed or clearly described so that everyone could use (abuse?) the effect on the same level.)

Snapping hidden rouges was the only (sorry if I missed something else - the thread was useless from the beginning and became much too long to read all the details...) tricky example I have seen above, although I don't know enough to comment on mechanics of this one (it's not about any real bug, it's just about how fast you can react, right? can't you do just the same with a regular macro, really?). I like this example because I think that's the only kind of issues where this useless thread might actually at all be useful: a bit of automation provided by macros and lua is part of this game, but if there are specific ways where it can be abused one could focus on fixing those (on lower level of lua, it would in any case NOT be an issue with DIYCE, right?).

Otherwise, I'm kind of confused... Whenever there is a good tool it will be used in many ways, also not the way it was originally intended. And possibly by people who don't understand how things work internally. It doesn't need to be bad - you don't need to be know how to build a computer to be using one...

Don't get me wrong: there is always a benefit of understanding more. It may be fun to learn something new, it might be fun to figure things out. And it will most probably let you use the tool more efficiently. It's just that I strongly disagree that the fact that people are using a tool without understanding would ever be a reason to ban using the tool altogether. You guys do sound like a car mechanic who wonders how it's possible that some people think a carburetor is a kind of a gun Beretta... I can almost hear him screaming "these people should not be allowed anywhere close to a car!". Looking from a distance - it's almost funny way of trolling. Nope, sorry, people who don't know what carburetor is are still allowed to use a car.

If someone starts using e.g. DIYCE without understanding, quite often it later goes two ways: either she actually digs into the code at some point or abandons DIYCE after the next skill change. And gets the KittyCombo instead

And I really don't get how other people using DIYCE this way or the other are destroying the fun for you guys. Someone mentioned PVP: if it's not about bug/glitch that should be fixed anyway (GCD anyone?) then I guess for almost everything one could make a macro (or, heck, write a lua script) to have an emergency action. Again "I do like walking so bikes should be banned" does not square - plz be more specific, and think along on how to fix it in lua (if there is something that indeed does need fixing at all), don't troll about DIYCE...

To phrase it in its simplest terms. Everyone has said cheating is bad and should be banned but some people are saying diyce is how I cheat so don't ban it.