Runes of Magic US / AU

Quoted from "vfwiffo"

Why not the advanced vendor jewels? +7 is safe. +8 is not, with vendor gems, so stop as soon as you succeed. That leaves just levels for IS jewels.

This is solid advice. However, the time and frustration rate of vendor jewels will keep many players from doing it.

I think this is the cheapest overall strategy, but it usually takes me an hour or two (of hating life) to pull it off:
vendor jewels to +3
diamond jewels to +5
perfect to +6
vendor jewels to +8
diamond jewels to +11
perfect jewels (if they existed) to +12

I just plus'd up an item to +6 yesterday... abysmal stats: It took 605 vendor jewels and 33 diamond jewels to get to +5. Those stats are what make this process so unnecessarily frustrating for players. I got to +3 at least 6 times, but then I dropped back down with diamond jewels.

Hell, raise the damned prices if money is your issue, but take the frustration out! (which could be interpreted as only sell perfects)

I wrote an addon to track plus rates and run some statistics... the vendor +6 jewels have a 20% success rate... which means less than 1% chance of getting a run of 3 in a row to get to +3. Most players do not have the patience for that. Unfortunately, the diamond +6 jewels are only 40-45% success (less samples). The vendor advanced jewels are even worse: 1-2% success rate. Who would sell an item with a 2% success rate? Really? it makes it impossible to use above +8, so why not just say that on the stupid item, raise the price, and make it a 100%??

Also, I have found zero evidence that jewels have "moods" and that there is any correlation between uses of them, nor that the current plus level has any affect on the probability of the jewel. The probability density function is uniform as far as I can tell, and each event is independent. This is the same sort of superstition that keeps casinos in business. I dont think the programmers are smart enough to make it any more complicated than if(rand()%100 < INCREDIBLY_LOW_RATE) { success() }

Most of the frustration arises on the method of people's madness. Vendor jewels have the highest fail rate obviously, why push the envelope to try and get +3 when between +1 and +2 are the highest rate of failures? I've NEVER gotten a vendor jewel past +2, save yourself the frustration and get the IS Diamond/PC jewels from +2 to +4 or +5. Then drop the rubies on the Perfects to +6. I have almost no frustration from plussing items and usually go right up to +16 very quickly following this.

Part of the reason why they have so high of failures is I think because it was intended to...I don't know....be difficult to add a potential huge percentage of damage to your weapon or huge percentage defense to your armour by +16'ing them. Makes sense to me.

And I do believe that at least the +16 jewels have a "mood". There have been many times where I've teeter tottered between +14 and +15 several times. Waited, came back later in the day and bam, +15 and +16 without any failures. Could be Murphy's/Newton's/some dead scientist's law, though.

Heh, I don't usually have too much trouble plussing a pair of clean wings without the use of perfect jewels (when was the last time they sold perfect/perfect advanced nebulas anyway?) but when I tried it the other night my thought went along the lines of (minus the colorful language) **the way this is going the fail rate is gonna hit 100% soon**


...and if they sold a separate CS item at a reasonable price that protected against dropped levels while plussing I'd likely be all over it.

Easy method:

Plussing +1 with crap vendor jewels
Plussing +2 to +4 with diamond shop jewels
Plussing +5 and +6 with perfect jewels (fail rate is increased tenfold from +4 to +6)
Plussing +7 with crap advanced vendor jewels
Plussing +7 to +12 with diamond shop jewels (fail rate is remarkably low unless you're supremely unlucky)
Plussing +12 to +16 with enhanced diamond shop jewels (When Gameforge decides to stop being a butt and put them up for sale)

Quoted from "Zombolini"

Easy method:

Plussing +1 with crap vendor jewels
Plussing +2 to +4 with diamond shop jewels
Plussing +5 and +6 with perfect jewels (fail rate is increased tenfold from +4 to +6)
Plussing +7 with crap advanced vendor jewels
Plussing +7 to +12 with diamond shop jewels (fail rate is remarkably low unless you're supremely unlucky)
Plussing +12 to +16 with enhanced diamond shop jewels (When Gameforge decides to stop being a butt and put them up for sale)

Definite +1 to this post. I usually +1 and then try one more time to try for +2 with the vendors. If it fails, I get to +1 only and then use diamond/PT gems. Sometimes I get lucky, sometimes I don't.

Show them teh power of teh people, boycott.

They'll have 1 of 2 options.

Listen to all of you collectively, as you are their source/dependency of revenue for their investment in the game.

Or shut it down. Either way, I'm certain you'll win.

Make a stand, if other's don't want to go with it, then it's their loss, not yours.

Alone, you stand no chance, collectively, they stand no chance. It's all about coming together and combining your wonder-twin powers.

You can't get everyone to boycott + jewels. Maybe 20 or 30, but it won't be a significant enough of a difference.

thread closed

Sneaks into the thread right after close

hmmm...there a problem with the /close thread button?