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Hyarr

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Tuesday, December 10th 2013, 4:36pm

Yep Wind Arrows +82 is 264.6 (vs 207) now. Better than shot.
Disarmament Arrow +82 is 207.2 (vs 140). Don't really see the point but ok.
Healing Shot's damage is finally ranged based! Wohoo! However still only heals 33% of the time.

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Tuesday, December 10th 2013, 4:38pm

Oh good a silent nerf to blind spot* despite it not being on the list of "changes"
A real sysadmin knows how to change the time.
If you make the same mistake while trying to make up for the previous one, you are doing something wrong.

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Tuesday, December 10th 2013, 4:40pm

Quoted from "sertet"

blind stab

blind spot


@hyarr:

WA being buffed still won't do much for scout dps, just make them a but better in pvp/grinding...
and i was hoping for the healing shot heal to be changed, looks like it happened, for that at least i am glad...
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Tuesday, December 10th 2013, 4:49pm

At least it's a step in the right direction, even if it's a very small half-assed step. Maybe they can increase the dps% on all the skills a tiny bit though, so scouts can have at least one attack that does more than 300% ranged dps that isn't an aoe or snipe.

As far as any rogue nerfs I'll have to see for myself when i log in on my nooby r/m.
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Tuesday, December 10th 2013, 4:51pm

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At least it's a step in the right direction, even if it's a very small half-assed step.

agreed...i just hope they don't go "oh, i guess scouts are fixed...now lets move on to [insert class here]"...
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Tuesday, December 10th 2013, 5:18pm

From what I can tell, what happened was WA > Shot

MDS still worse than original version. (Aside from the magic damage decrease in liue of actual mana draining)

Auto shot bug fixed

Scout DPS potential, overall, +0.5-0.75% increase


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Tuesday, December 10th 2013, 5:24pm

noony, what exactly was fixed for AS? i have a couple ideas that been testing, but if u already got answer, i'll stop testing lol

and yeah, scout "fix" is a joke...
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Tuesday, December 10th 2013, 5:45pm

Agreed.. i got more dps increase from the last arrows put into the game...

C'mon GF give scouts a real fix! The nerf hammer has gone on long enough.

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Tuesday, December 10th 2013, 6:06pm

For those who are wondering... L85 shell and POM gear is out.

Shell gear follows usual pattern 300/250/200 and so far SYS_xxx. So are the new shell stats - they are SYS_xxx stats. +165 based.

Pom gear is combo chest/neck. Looks meh to me. 280 set damage bonus on combo is useless when most chests alone give about 550 when fully made. Necklace is attribute+crit, not attack+crit, so probably also a pass. Have not run numbers yet.

New planter gives legend status for free (nice) and sells L85 seed. Also exchanges planting special items for planting stuff.
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Tuesday, December 10th 2013, 6:06pm

AS fix was just to 'better' impliment AS inbetween skills.

It used to be bugged, and was for as long as i can remember, that as long as you use this rotation >

CS -> engage AS -> next skill you could do those 3 skills in an instant. Now, AS triggers GCD.

So, GG the burst DPS at the start and throughout the fight. So that actually LOWERED scout DPS.

WA going from 2.1% per upgrade to 3.1%? (3.2% maybe idk) was a significant upgrade, but made shot irrelevant. Which increased scout DPS. If you are a Scout/Warrior (lol it's teh best i'm tellin yall scouts play s/w) you can just spam WA all day NBD so s/w DPS went up about 1.5% - 2.25% depending.
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Tuesday, December 10th 2013, 6:12pm

Quoted from "vfwiffo"

For those who are wondering... L85 shell and POM gear is out.

Shell gear follows usual pattern 300/250/200 and so far SYS_xxx. So are the new shell stats - they are SYS_xxx stats. +165 based.

Pom gear is combo chest/neck. Looks meh to me. 280 set damage bonus on combo is useless when most chests alone give about 550 when fully made. Necklace is attribute+crit, not attack+crit, so probably also a pass. Have not run numbers yet.

New planter gives legend status for free (nice) and sells L85 seed. Also exchanges planting special items for planting stuff.


WHHHAAATTTT? New gear and no new level raise? that is... odd. Is the gear higher level and cant be worn or what?

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Tuesday, December 10th 2013, 6:14pm

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WHHHAAATTTT? New gear and no new level raise? that is... odd. Is the gear higher level and cant be worn or what?


Can't be worn, no. But who cares? Shell gear is not worn much anyway, POM gear looks meh. New stats are always good and if you don't want them, then the old shell stats are cheaper. That works.
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Tuesday, December 10th 2013, 6:17pm

I am guessing maybe they meant to put it in the database ahead of time, but not implement it... So expect that to change I would guess. Wasn't there something with stats like this where people put them on gear also then when they "fixed it" people lost stats on their gear?

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Tuesday, December 10th 2013, 6:30pm

i actually engage AS in the middle of my snipe cast...and i haven't noticed any change...


just tried AS, no GCD...

what u doing noony?
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Tuesday, December 10th 2013, 6:30pm

Ah well, rogues still didn't get nerfed really once more, can't have a scout dps % based close or the same to rogues, hell no. Balance of classes in ROM in 2021 wait for it coming soon!!!!!. :lol:

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Tuesday, December 10th 2013, 6:31pm

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I am guessing maybe they meant to put it in the database ahead of time, but not implement it... So expect that to change I would guess. Wasn't there something with stats like this where people put them on gear also then when they "fixed it" people lost stats on their gear?


That is not unofficial leak. Read the news article on main site, in particular this line: "New items: prepare yourself for the upcoming level 85 content and improve your equipment with new items you can get from the archaeologists!"

And, Zid, rogues did get a nerf, and scouts a boost. It is not nearly major enough on either to alter the class balance between the two, no. But then it was all a speculation and jump to conclusion that it would be. Speculation that was highly suspect and a lot of wishful thinking anyway, based on the small number of skills being affected, which is what we knew yesterday already.
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Tuesday, December 10th 2013, 6:38pm

So the Grinch stole Christmas from the Scouts again. The net of all the changes is a claim of a increase in damage that is too small to notice at the cost of the one skill the Scout had to slow an incoming attacker, THEY ELIMINATED THE SLOW EFFECT OF WIND ARROW!!!

No attempt to make them a ranged class again, No increase in damage for bows or crossbows or any mastery skill. What a joke.

This is like a repair shop where you bring in your car for a blown engine, they wash the car and say it is fine and by the way they steal the tires as well.

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Tuesday, December 10th 2013, 6:43pm

This is actually a bigger buff to S/K then you think, thanks to the change to Healing Shot. I never put that much tp in it (was actually going to work on it next), but at +58 it's already on par with the new WA and a (single shot) CS. I'm almost hesitant to post this (don't nerf it!) but if I've done my math right at +82 it will be better than VA. It's why I've wanted it fixed for so long! 8)

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Tuesday, December 10th 2013, 6:49pm

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Ah well, rogues still didn't get nerfed really once more, can't have a scout dps % based close or the same to rogues, hell no. Balance of classes in ROM in 2021 wait for it coming soon!!!!!. :lol:
I havent run anything to check, but for a r/m's who dont have their 70 elite, they should be back in line with or below r/wds if other peoples math is correct.
So it seems like a pve change for r/m without really touching other rogues. Which seems reasonable.

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Tuesday, December 10th 2013, 7:04pm

lol they got rid of frost arrow buff?

If so then it's still a nerf.

The damage increase is a joke, and losing that slow is pretty important. GG scouts still getting nerfed.
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