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Went to upgrade a piece of level 80 armor I had just bought in the AH. I purchased the jewels in 10 packs. I was able to reach level +5 after 37 jewels after dropping from level 4 to level 1, 4 times . Was just curious of the actual fail and drop rate; it is absurd. When you enter the element of chance combined with the ability of dropping levels you make it possible for an individuals to get such bad success rates and level of frustration that they give up the game forever. It doesn't have to happen to everyone or very often but it does happen and those few events are enough to kill the trust of a large number of people and as large number of people lose their trust for the game it dies. People want to play ROM it is a good game but they leave because they don't trust it and this is only one of many reasons that they don't trust the game.

this is one of those rare cases when i actually agree with aardvark...

plussing success is really a bit turn off for the vast majority of the people that play imo...

Folks -

We're all making a lot of noise about the failure rate is on these Jewels. But that's all it is - noise.

I think we can all agree that we don't mind the Jewel failing and leaving our items the way it was, but we really don't like the Jewel taking our item from +4 to +3 when it fails.

I think, what we need to do is convince Gameforge with hard evidence of the poor performance of these Jewels.

I propose we post screenshots of our General chat log whenever we're refining so that we can point this out to Kalvan, Mika, Saito, Yrcanos, et al and show them the evidence to support our claims that this change needs to happen. Perhaps then we can finally get somewhere...?

Quoted from "Inferiority"

I propose we post screenshots of our General chat log whenever we're refining so that we can point this out to Kalvan, Mika, Saito, Yrcanos, et al and show them the evidence to support our claims that this change needs to happen. Perhaps then we can finally get somewhere...?

I go first.



Ok, I go second too.

How old are those rusty? Also, is that the norm for you?

Me doth hardly doubts that Rusty's play here tis standard. Plussin in this game be the only part me dreads the most. I twould rather player the game, an let someone else plus em.

@ghostwolf. Not sure how old but not that old. As you see, it is L80 gear, made while L80 was top zone. And, no, I had failure streaks too, same as everyone else. Random number generator does not like one person more than another.

My point is that outliers work both ways. Our reaction to them does not.

@Quaffy. Edited. Gotta protect virgin eyes of all those people who have never seen a gold spammer in the game, but read the forum; so they are completely unaware that there are gold sellers till they see that screenshot.

This would be me logging in loading addons and succeeding on the first +7 vendor jewel It's so random you can get such a degrade streak D:

Quaffy your post was removed because i saw it as a jab at vwiffo and also had nothing at all to do with this post regarding the fail/success rate of +'ing jewels you said and i quote "pretty sure pinkhat is just trying to advertise ""his"" gold selling webiste" as such was removed for being offtopic. My job as a mentor is right now to keep order on the forums so please everyone stay on topic

I suppose sarcasm isnt conveyed all that well over text, of course I dont think pinkhat was trying to advertise or had any affilation with that website. If anything I was pointing out something that should have been edited (and wasn't at the time).

I would argue though, that the topic was "screenshots showing plus/fail rates" and my post was directly discussing the most recent screenshot which showed plus/fail rates.

It would be nice if we can tell what types of jewels were used to achieve those successes, if it was 3 normal IS jewels, then 3 perfects, I would be considerably less impressed since we know that the chances to fail are the highest when trying to get +5/6, 11/12, and 15/16.

Quoted from "Quaffy2"

It would be nice if we can tell what types of jewels were used to achieve those successes, if it was 3 normal IS jewels, then 3 perfects, I would be considerably less impressed since we know that the chances to fail are the highest when trying to get +5/6, 11/12, and 15/16.

6 standard advanced, no perfects. And, I never had that no-fault streak on +1 to +6. Those are cheap for a reason. They are weak.

But then on the other hand I remember seeing a post claiming that someone +4 or +5 with vendor jewels. My streaks never were that lucky, I only ever seen +2 with those. Doesn't mean the streaks dont exist, as outliers of course.

Quoted from "vfwiffo"

Quoted from "Quaffy2"

It would be nice if we can tell what types of jewels were used to achieve those successes, if it was 3 normal IS jewels, then 3 perfects, I would be considerably less impressed since we know that the chances to fail are the highest when trying to get +5/6, 11/12, and 15/16.

6 standard advanced, no perfects. And, I never had that no-fault streak on +1 to +6. Those are cheap for a reason. They are weak.

But then on the other hand I remember seeing a post claiming that someone +4 or +5 with vendor jewels. My streaks never were that lucky, I only ever seen +2 with those. Doesn't mean the streaks dont exist, as outliers of course.

I'm almost always up to +4 with regular IS jewels. Sometimes I get lucky and try for +5 and succeed, but most of the time I switch right to the perfects for +5 and +6 to avoid the hassle. As far as vendor jewels, I'm lucky to get +1 within 10-15 of them.

Understandable if most can't exactly afford to do that, though.

Mr. Pink, just let me remind you when lvl 80 gear was implemented was close to the time they made the repricing of IS, so they took away the +6 ,+12, ABL and a lot of nice stuff at that time. I recall in this specific time to get my current gear from +1 to +6 without any perfect, I believe a couple of weeks later the complains started, so someone in some point said: "Hey, as closer the level of gear of the level of plussing jewels higher is the failrate" so I start testing, since I started crafting gear for my alts, and I realized that doesn't matter if your gear is level 1 or level 80, failrate is the same, so from here I can see two options:

1-you're really damn lucky
2-you probably used jewels at the time I described.

Quoted from "Murkalael"

Mr. Pink, just let me remind you when lvl 80 gear was implemented was close to the time they made the repricing of IS, so they took away the +6 ,+12, ABL and a lot of nice stuff at that time.

That happened at the beginning of Chapter 5 - June 2012 - with the level 72 cap.

Not that I have any problem with + my gear, but I know that something has changed from BAD to WORST right around time of L75 cap. I had couple stacks of +6 and +12 (for both L70 and L80) still on my character, but I remember easily using 20-30 to get to +6. I never remembered having luck as Rustyx on his screenshots. Wonder if our ol' pink hat is mixing perfect with regular jewels. :p

Just let's have it straight, it is not expensive to get really cheap jewels and try 2-3 pieces of gear and record video with it. (just trying to challenge Rukifellth2792 )

We all know it is frustration and I know it drives people away from game - where even if all jewels are perfect, game is too expensive... this just adds last drop for many players...