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Cike

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Monday, December 23rd 2013, 5:08am

:dash:
my r/p can outdps r/m. your name is stupid.

mages should stack dex. word.

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Monday, December 23rd 2013, 5:33am

IKR....


Redoing items isn't expensive enough?

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Monday, December 23rd 2013, 10:37pm

I just wish GF would explain their logic because I just don't understand them.

Does not having abls and plussers in cash shop allow them to control the economy? Does it prevent too many players from making too much gold? Does it make them sell more when they are on sale? Does it increase their percieved value? Is it some saddistic person who just likes to torture people? Does it force more players to buy diamonds and get their own gear? Does making it harder and longer to gear make players less likely to leave all their hard work behind?

If there's a good reason like it increases sales or something then maybe I can live with it. At least then I know it's something they're doing for a reason and not just being idiots with no clue they are making players mad.

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Monday, December 23rd 2013, 11:38pm

I just wish GF would explain their logic because I just don't understand them.

Does not having abls and plussers in cash shop allow them to control the economy? Does it prevent too many players from making too much gold? Does it make them sell more when they are on sale? Does it increase their percieved value? Is it some saddistic person who just likes to torture people? Does it force more players to buy diamonds and get their own gear? Does making it harder and longer to gear make players less likely to leave all their hard work behind?

If there's a good reason like it increases sales or something then maybe I can live with it. At least then I know it's something they're doing for a reason and not just being idiots with no clue they are making players mad.

Speaking of abl's, while i forget the complete reasoning/speculation behind it when they took them out of the IS, I believe it had something to do with making people actually run the instance to get geared. Instead of relying on a few guilds/players to supply the whole server in gear, they were trying to increase individual player progression. Granted that is a Fail. At the time there were a lot of people actually happy they were doing so. Sadly they took out a favorite to try to deal with gold sellers as well. 30 day pet perfume.

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Tuesday, December 24th 2013, 12:29am

afaik, the only reason we don't have ABL's perm in IS anymore is because management had switched from US based to EU based, and EU didn't have abl's perm, so they just took them away from us, so we would be equal...
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Tuesday, December 24th 2013, 2:40am

that makes total sense. after all it's better to take then to give .

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Tuesday, December 24th 2013, 3:20am

well, same thing happened to AU after it was put under US management afaik...
my r/p can outdps r/m. your name is stupid.

mages should stack dex. word.

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Tuesday, December 24th 2013, 3:54am

they should just sell perfects full stop....[Removed] this whole 'chance' of upgrading [Removed too].im still hoping they'll change the rest to prefects though (aka, 6-20 all perfects). So many more people would stick around if they didnt have to use those goofy gambling jewels...

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Tuesday, December 24th 2013, 4:16am

honestly, make all jewels perfect at current price, make puries 5 dias, and charges 5 for a diamond, and this game will still be more expensive than most games out on the market...
my r/p can outdps r/m. your name is stupid.

mages should stack dex. word.

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Tuesday, December 24th 2013, 4:16pm

lets not forget they could take rune drillers prices down 60% and still make more than most games.


Now I don't mind paying. We got lots of accounts and lots of characters. Back when I played.... Another game.... I paid for 6 accounts at 13 bucks a month to play the game the way I wanted. Well now I get the accounts for free, so I set that as my limit... or close to it... on what I will spend each month. I also have my gf playing with me, so I figure a little more there too (she didn't play the last game). However, I am different than most players... therefore my play style makes me ok with that cost. Most wont see it that way. I also don't buy new games for $60 a pop when they come out and usually wait for Humble Bundles, etc so my gaming budget stays pretty low even with how much I spend on this game.

However, it is true that the probably would still make a killing with the changes Cike Suggests, especially if more people come back because the price has dropped.


Here is my hope/idea. Maybe we will see such a change after the New Year (I hope you are reading this GF cause I think it is a fair business analysis). They want to keep profits/dividends/margins high for the end of the year. After all most businesses do better this time of year so it is expected to do more business and more profits. Usually First quarters (at least in my experience) are pretty low, so this is the perfect time to alter any money scheme, cause it can be attributed to the time of year. It also would set the financial tone for the rest of the year, and a new pricing system would not be held as a negative cause the fiscal year started with it. This is all assuming that you reduce prices and people don't start spending more. So you can take the gamble in first quarter with less risk of it looking back to board of directors/stockholders/etc. If they are going to try to alter the IS (like they have said) this would be the time.

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Tuesday, December 24th 2013, 5:10pm

honestly, make all jewels perfect at current price, make puries 5 dias, and charges 5 for a diamond, and this game will still be more expensive than most games out on the market...
I think we've discussed that already Cike. That won't make game cheaper - clean T10 gear and T13 weapons will just be the norm for endgame.
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Tuesday, December 24th 2013, 10:17pm

O.o why stop there we already clean t9 gears I would def clean T12 chest and dirty t14 wep at Cike's prices!
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Wednesday, December 25th 2013, 2:56am

they can cap tiers...that's already in the game...

or they could make it so tiering has diminishing returns...
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mages should stack dex. word.

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Wednesday, December 25th 2013, 6:04am

Really tiering already has diminishing returns, costs wayyyy more for each tier and get the same increase every time :P
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Wednesday, December 25th 2013, 7:55pm

eh, was just a suggestion...

IMO, diminishing returns is the best way to put a cap on things, because there will still be the people who spend oodles to get that little extra, yet it puts a cap on the relative usefulness of enhancing it any more...
my r/p can outdps r/m. your name is stupid.

mages should stack dex. word.