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Tuesday, March 18th 2014, 2:05am

I think a simple solution would be if they had been bound to the characters as soon as they were dropped into the bags how the 1mil exp foods and talent point foods were that we received this pas week.

There are people that seem to have an unlimited amount of those pots and use them throughout siege still.... (Talking about guilds that were on servers which received the universal pots back in january or whenever.)

Also saw people using multiple laor forest tarts in siege the other night >_>
was pretty sure that those were extinct.
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Tuesday, March 18th 2014, 2:08am

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I am surprised they give us anything the way you all complain every time we get anything.

Im surprised they dont realize the things they give us unbalance the game? Like i honestly would have preferred nothing over universal pots.

i got a couple 20% phirius mp pots from the chests...

I like the chest events, those are fun and not broken. I like them giving out craftable pots, i can craft more if ppl miss out on that. I like them giving out bound potions, because then you cant really stockpile thousands of them by buying them off the AH.

Eggrices and universal pots in specific are broken and game breaking.

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Tuesday, March 18th 2014, 2:10am

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I am surprised they give us anything the way you all complain every time we get anything.

Im surprised they dont realize the things they give us unbalance the game? Like i honestly would have preferred nothing over universal pots.

i got a couple 20% phirius mp pots from the chests...

I like the chest events, those are fun and not broken. I like them giving out craftable pots, i can craft more if ppl miss out on that. I like them giving out bound potions, because then you cant really stockpile thousands of them by buying them off the AH.

Eggrices and universal pots in specific are broken and game breaking.

agreed. i was posting on EU thread to the same effect.

would be nice if they made hot stew, wine, ERD, uni pots etc...either bound or never give them out again.
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Tuesday, March 18th 2014, 2:13am

Quoted from "Lolim"

I think a simple solution would be if they had been bound to the characters as soon as they were dropped into the bags how the 1mil exp foods and talent point foods were that we received this pas week.

There are people that seem to have an unlimited amount of those pots and use them throughout siege still.... (Talking about guilds that were on servers which received the universal pots back in january or whenever.)

Also saw people using multiple laor forest tarts in siege the other night >_>
was pretty sure that those were extinct.

Apperenlty there are like a handful of accounts throughout the game that have that recipie, and everyone else is SOL.
Be nice if they gave out that recipe to everyone else >.>

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Tuesday, March 18th 2014, 2:40am

agreed again darwec...
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Tuesday, March 18th 2014, 5:15am

Acording to the fake GM that was in Palenque during the hack/dupe incident it was possible to create every single item in the database. That's prolly the source of a lot of items came from, including laor forest tart. GF and RW should delete laor forest tart and the recipe from the database or make them available to everyone

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Tuesday, March 18th 2014, 11:49am

yes please.
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Tuesday, March 18th 2014, 12:57pm

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Acording to the fake GM that was in Palenque during the hack/dupe incident it was possible to create every single item in the database. That's prolly the source of a lot of items came from, including laor forest tart. GF and RW should delete laor forest tart and the recipe from the database or make them available to everyone
for them to delete that recipe will be to much work for R.W removing it from character cooking list and looking for that player who has it would be better if the let T.T mobs drop it again like it use to be.

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Tuesday, March 18th 2014, 1:50pm

Dar i would love to have that recipe, but can you imagine 6 seconds immunes against' physical attack, omg the QQ from rogues. But they are allowed to use Serenstum LMAO. This is so class bias it's not even funny. Rogues of Magic for the win

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Tuesday, March 18th 2014, 2:15pm

Wait so it's class bias when a select number of players have access to an immune food that no one else on the servers do?
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This post has been edited 2 times, last edit by "sertet" (Mar 18th 2014, 4:20pm)

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Tuesday, March 18th 2014, 3:53pm

Not class bias so much, but it is a bias, even if unintentional, for physical dps versus magical dps. Mainly a sw thing, but there really is no reason that a 6 sec magical immune food is readily available, and like mentioned in previous posts here, the physical one is not.

As for universal potions, they are basically a really effective phirius potion. Allow both, or neither, with my preference being neither. If both, sw would be a very different animal. :)

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Tuesday, March 18th 2014, 3:57pm

As a public service, I shall now rephrase what zid wrote.

Magic 6 sec no hurt food is in game. Hit 6 sec no hurt food not in game. Is not same for magic and hit, so it is bad.

Hopefully all the words are short enough now for sertet to understand them.

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IMO, Universal pots benefit tanky classes. It usually takes a long time and several DPS to take down a well defended tank, only to see him go back to square one. Much like egg rice, GM drops are not universally useful to all classes, so it is not good for balance in siege, which is pretty well established and worked out over years.
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Tuesday, March 18th 2014, 4:17pm

But it clearly IS IN GAME vfwiffo. Yet only exclusive to certain people.

So again, class bias it aint. It's a problem of GAME BIAS. Anyone who joined after that recipe was removed no matter what class they are or will be does not have access to that recipe.

Or was that too big of an idea for you. Trash talk more
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If you make the same mistake while trying to make up for the previous one, you are doing something wrong.

As much as I'd love to say I offer consulting services, the scope of things broken is too large.

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Tuesday, March 18th 2014, 4:42pm

I for one request that universal pots continue to be allowed in siege. For two reasons:
1)It is one of the ways that the rest of us players can wrench gold from the elitist that have too much. (even though we are just going to give it right back for overpriced gear and stats)
2)It provides an indescribable amount of satisfaction that I just made them "waste" one in siege. (win or lose, I still get badges :P )
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Tuesday, March 18th 2014, 5:19pm

TYVM for translating what i was saying and meaning Rustyx, but yet again he still doesn't get it, but it was expected, maybe i should try pirate?

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Tuesday, March 18th 2014, 5:39pm

Quoted from "zidlef"

TYVM for translating what i was saying and meaning Rustyx, but yet again he still doesn't get it, but it was expected, maybe i should try pirate?


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Tuesday, March 18th 2014, 6:00pm

Laor forest tart is in game but only for the entitled few, it affects all melee equally against those players or did you forget about wardens, champions, scouts, knights and warriors. Your original premise is flawed. The whole point of this convo is to equalize the items available. Will certain people hoard/sell items from gm events, sure. But Laor tarts are a completely different story, those are even more exclusive than a gm event.
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Tuesday, March 18th 2014, 6:12pm

sertet, I believe what zid is trying to say is: Everyone in game can use the magical immune foods, and can readily have access to it with no problems at all. Everyone. Magical immune food is common. Physical immune food is very rare, and the recipe has been taken out of game so only a select few can have it at any point in time. This makes an unfair balance leaning towards physical classes. A physical class can pop a magical immune, rush in on a magical caster, and kill them with the magical class not being able to do the same due to this unbalance of readily available foods. Thus creating the bias zid referred to (because even you have to admit, in this game, Rogues are the most common physical class).

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Tuesday, March 18th 2014, 6:44pm

But calling that a class bias is like saying Honda has a monopoly on cars because a honda civic is a really common car. It disregards the problem of the availability of that recipe. And if i recall correctly, the recipe was removed even before "scouts of magic" chapter 3. By zids logic it will be a knight class bias if those were the next op class that is common.

To add: the recipes were mostly removed because they were deemed "too game breaking" to have a 6 second immunes, but it wasn't game breaking enough to disable/remove the recipe from people who had it. This isn't a problem on the newer servers that never had a chance to get either recipe. But it basically told anyone who had the recipes already "abuse this advantage"
A real sysadmin knows how to change the time.
If you make the same mistake while trying to make up for the previous one, you are doing something wrong.

As much as I'd love to say I offer consulting services, the scope of things broken is too large.

This post has been edited 2 times, last edit by "sertet" (Mar 18th 2014, 7:26pm)

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Tuesday, March 18th 2014, 6:59pm

You cant get the serenstum recipe anymore either i dont think. Atleast i dont have it on my cook so i have to ask other to craft it for me. Both were removed, its just more have the magic recipe.

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