Runes of Magic US / AU

Quoted from "Dkjester"

it is 235k not 23.5k. Big difference. It is limited to 80 diamonds a day... not sure why.
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I was going off of what Pink hat stated, a 10 diamond trade for 235k is 23.5k per. Unless I misunderstood and/or he miscommunicated.

Quoted from "Dkjester"

it is 235k not 23.5k. Big difference. It is limited to 80 diamonds a day... not sure why.

No it's 235k per 10 diamonds. that = 23.5k per diamond. and yes i just verified it at the npc.

Yep, 235k per 10.

Quoted from "erinprice69"

trial and error is the best method of trying to fix the economy

This was already an error even before the trial.

Quoted from "Dkjester"

it is 235k not 23.5k

235k per 10 diamonds = 23.5k per diamond <-- that's an insult, unless you play on Thalia. Even having the same rate per server is an insult, gold on Indigo does not equal gold on Artemis. Gold on Palenque does not equal gold on Reni. You get the point..

Quoted from "Dkjester"

isn't nearly as harmful as the bots that constantly run stuff like KS and make gold

This idea has been refuted several times. Botting KS at this point for gold is useless, unless you are farming on multiple accounts (i.e 5 or more). Even with maid pots, pet buffs, and item shop potions you will get a measly 1-2 diamond per KS run per character depending on your server. Not to mention that you need to have all 6 backpacks open to even possibly break even.In other words, you will probably spend more on buying magic perfume for your pet and IS potions than actually selling stuff for gold. Yup..it's hard to swallow, but gold has become that useless.

@Atrie
So sorry man I saw you buying all the gold in AH yesterday on Palenque. You my friend got royally screwed .



PS. This game requires secondary password for everything except to screw you over. I have a magic ball that says that soon there will be tons of people complaining about selling dias and not getting the little pop up.

Since I buy my own diamonds w/ RL cash, I'm not really impacted by this change much. Like I posted earlier, my main use for AH dia->gold was to send diamonds to my alts so I could get bp slots and stuff on my alts. Stuff from IS? easy enough to gift to my alts. So this change really does take away the most important aspect of the dia's in AH thing; but I'm not gonna cry about it. worst case scenario is that I buy some diamonds on my alts when there's a dia sale or I do w/ 2 bp slots ( well 3 now that 4th bp slot is on sale :D ).

We survived w/ no dias in AH. We had scammers, yes, but are they worse than what people have been crying about in the "AH Abuse" thread(s)? *shrugs* I really don't know. If I needed quick cash, I'll do a quick run through of gold->dias page and buy from whomever has the most gold->dias ratio or from a friend, if I see their name in the list. Now? If I need quick cash, I would respond to the queries from friends who need stuff from the IS.

But I would like to re-iterate my request from earlier: Please try to get us the rough draft ( or whatever ) is going to be the new diamond trading system.

There are a few issues that none of this is going to fix. The amount of gold on the servers is ridicules. I know several people with 5 to 10 toons maxed with gold. GF cannot stop hackers, no matter if it the use of #####, the hacking of diamonds, or the bots that farm gold all day long. Unless they can control the outside influence on the economy, it will never function correctly

Quoted from "ycavan"

If I needed quick cash, I'll do a quick run through of gold->dias page and buy from whomever has the most gold->dias ratio or from a friend, if I see their name in the list.

You can't do that anymore.

Quoted from "ruisen2000"

Removing diamonds from Ah won't stop people from selling diamonds - I think we can all agree on that. Its how convenient it is to sell diamonds, and diamonds not in the AH means we're back to the old cumbersome method where people trade diamonds with the risk of getting scammed.

Exactly!

It's not like other F2P games where IS items are either something that makes your live easier or extra fun. In RoM you do need IS items to stay relevant. Which means F2P players will still get these items, just in the old much less convenient, much less safe, and much less transparent way of IS gifts.

Quoted from "ycavan"

Since I buy my own diamonds w/ RL cash, I'm not really impacted by this change much.

The change will indeed affect P2P players much less - I'm not surprised to see here "I don't care" posts from you guys. Although there are also those who were buying dias for real money to get in-game gold - this will be much more difficult now. Instead of wasting time spamming the world chat these guys might decide to farm their gold in a different way in the same time. GF might actually lose up on this. And less dias bought by P2P players will mean more expenisive dias for F2P players in the gift system I fear.

The "goldsellers" argument is pure nonsense, imho. The change will just make life more difficult for everyone. Maybe indeed GF just needs more revenue and hopes to force more people to buy dias directly? I fear however, that such a theory gives too much credit to GF's reasoning. I have a feeling they really thought it might solve some problems (but, frankly, I really have no idea which: there were F2P players complaining that the AH dia prices were too high, but you can't serously say that you are solving this problem by officially cutting F2P players from a safe way of buying dias altogether and leave us to the scam system of gifts...).

Most people have guilds/friends. We, F2P players, will survive somehow. It's just ... such a stupid move that solves nothing and just makes everyone's life more difficult and less transparent.

kraya> yes, I know that we can't, that's why I said "If I needed quick cash" :) Read the part right after your quote: Now? ...

Quoted from "Uure"

Although there are also those who were buying dias for real money to get in-game gold - this will be much more difficult now. Instead of wasting time spamming the world chat these guys might decide to farm their gold in a different way in the same time. GF might actually lose up on this.

On the second thought - this was a stupid remark: ofc these guys will not waste time farming anything - they can buy gold from the goldsellers cheaper. Well, anyway, GF can kiss goodbye the money they used to get from these guys.

Before diamonds were in the AH, it was actually seller sending first lol. Wonder how that will work out now that most players from back then either don't remember that anymore or have left...

Quoted from "Needundead"

So sorry man I saw you buying all the gold in AH yesterday on Palenque. You my friend got royally screwed .

Not really i bought all the gold in ah at 300k and up per diamond after hearing this was happening and checking forums to see.

considering the npc is selling gold only and priced at 23.5k per diamond(235k per 10), It was a very smart move on my part.

300k per 1 diamond vs 23.5k per diamond.....

ill take 300k per every time.

wow I guess I misread the thing. I assumed that was per diamond. Wow, yeah ok that wont fix anything then.

I figured it like this: Gold spammers sell gold to players, to get rid of their potential customers GF could implement an NPC to make it easy to convert Diamonds to gold. Thus making the gold spammers market Moot. Why would they try to sell something that a player can do through GF (get gold). It would drive them out of business as there would be no reason for them to try to sell gold if all a player had to do was 1) buy diamonds, and 2) go to an NPC and hand in the diamonds for gold. Why would anyone buy from a Gold spammer? Answer is they wouldn't. Eventually, they would never make any money and abandon this game entirely as they aren't making any money. Poof, gold spammers gone.

However, them implementing it at 235k per diamond with unlimited trade amount, would do that. This set up will not however. If they hope people will trade diamonds for so little... they are more mistaken. Therefore this system is worthless.


However, if they wanna work on a way to trade diamonds again.. It is simple. You can trade gold (which is a currency showed in the backpack just like rubies and diamonds), so make it so you can trade rubies and diamonds as well. No one would trade with apparent gold spammers, but still makes it more secure to sell them.

So it looks like my hypothesis was correct. There is ABSOLUTELY NO incentive to using this Currency NPC as a diamond seller. Why sell to that NPC when I can get close to literally 100 times MORE than that from players? I'd be surprised if anyone uses this vendor at all in the week it'll be active.

Quoted from "ruisen2000"

Before diamonds were in the AH, it was actually seller sending first lol. Wonder how that will work out now that most players from back then either don't remember that anymore or have left...

Are you saying it was the diamond seller sending the item first before gold was received? Because that's not how I've ever done it and that's not how ANYONE should do it.

There will ALWAYS be someone else willing to send the gold first. And I'm sure as heck not taking a chance on sending items with a currency I had to pay for with RL cash, for digital gold I may never receive from the player. If said diamond item buyer refuses to send gold before I send the item, that's perfectly fine. That is there choice and no harm, no foul. I'll just move on to the next person buying diamond items. Because I guarantee there will ALWAYS be people buying diamond items who are willing to send gold first. ESPECIALLY when it comes down to crunch time on promotional sales like runes, plussing gems, etc.

It's no different for gear sellers. They expect gold first. In the example of high ticket items where you can only trade 100m at a time. So for those of you selling your gear pieces for 101m+, I also have the expectation that I will have to send you the gold first before being traded the item. Why should my diamonds be any different?

This is just going to hurt me getting backpack pages on alts. Was not such a problem when rubies were given out at a better rate and rental tickets did not cost a fortune. Now they will force me to buy dias on 3 accounts and only $20 worth for each instead of $50 doing it for all 3. There is the money profit motive. Less bonus dias because smaller purchase yet extra $10 to get 3 toons.

Quoted from "acypcar90"

So it looks like my hypothesis was correct. There is ABSOLUTELY NO incentive to using this Currency NPC as a diamond seller. Why sell to that NPC when I can get close to literally 100 times MORE than that from players? I'd be surprised if anyone uses this vendor at all in the week it'll be active.

Quoted from "ruisen2000"

Before diamonds were in the AH, it was actually seller sending first lol. Wonder how that will work out now that most players from back then either don't remember that anymore or have left...

Are you saying it was the diamond seller sending the item first before gold was received? Because that's not how I've ever done it and that's not how ANYONE should do it.

There will ALWAYS be someone else willing to send the gold first. And I'm sure as heck not taking a chance on sending items with a currency I had to pay for with RL cash, for digital gold I may never receive from the player. If said diamond item buyer refuses to send gold before I send the item, that's perfectly fine. That is there choice and no harm, no foul. I'll just move on to the next person buying diamond items. Because I guarantee there will ALWAYS be people buying diamond items who are willing to send gold first. ESPECIALLY when it comes down to crunch time on promotional sales like runes, plussing gems, etc.

It's no different for gear sellers. They expect gold first. In the example of high ticket items where you can only trade 100m at a time. So for those of you selling your gear pieces for 101m+, I also have the expectation that I will have to send you the gold first before being traded the item. Why should my diamonds be any different?

I think everyone did it differently. I know some people demanded half the price first, then send, then demanded the rest. I did that to people that I didn't trust, demand half first, then I'd send whatever it is they wanted, and then they can send the other half. After I trusted them a bit more, I would send the item then expect the gold. Using this method I only got screwed once over the span of several hundred diamond gifting transactions, and a huge warning went up every day for a week on World Chat about what they did.

Honestly, I think this move is just to reduce the amount of time the GM's have to sit on the servers reviewing, receiving and following up on gold seller reports about them spamming world chat. You cannot stop gold spammers. Ever. EVERY GAME is plagued with them...they are like the Cockroach...there is no getting rid of them.

There are games without gold spammers. They are the games where it is not worth it to do the work to get the gold to then sell for the amount they will make.


That is the only way to stop them. If for them the time it takes to get the gold, then to sell it, nets them so little that they just stop. I have seen other games stop gold spammers, by making it so that it is easier for players to get the gold some other way than the gold spammers. No one who wants quick cash will deal with a gold selling "company/group" if it is more of a hassle and they don't get more gold than if they do it in a way that is set in game. People buying from gold spammers make them worse. Every sale urges them on to keep doing it. So the only way to stop them is to make it so even the most idiotic player would NEVER buy from them... because there is zero benefit.

Right now someone sees a message saying.. I think 100 mil for 8 bucks on artemis? if someone can get more for their 8 bucks or the same by buying diamonds and selling to an NPC, just as quick, as per the game rules... The Gold spammers will become obsolete. Only way unless they give up.

Quoted from "acypcar90"

Are you saying it was the diamond seller sending the item first before gold was received? Because that's not how I've ever done it and that's not how ANYONE should do it.

There will ALWAYS be someone else willing to send the gold first. And I'm sure as heck not taking a chance on sending items with a currency I had to pay for with RL cash, for digital gold I may never receive from the player. If said diamond item buyer refuses to send gold before I send the item, that's perfectly fine. That is there choice and no harm, no foul. I'll just move on to the next person buying diamond items. Because I guarantee there will ALWAYS be people buying diamond items who are willing to send gold first. ESPECIALLY when it comes down to crunch time on promotional sales like runes, plussing gems, etc.

It's no different for gear sellers. They expect gold first. In the example of high ticket items where you can only trade 100m at a time. So for those of you selling your gear pieces for 101m+, I also have the expectation that I will have to send you the gold first before being traded the item. Why should my diamonds be any different?

Xalydn, I'm not trying to start an argument about whether it is fair or not, and I certainly am not trying to argue that it was. But that was my observation of how diamond trade was going during Ch IV.

Quoted from "acypcar90"

So it looks like my hypothesis was correct. There is ABSOLUTELY NO incentive to using this Currency NPC as a diamond seller. Why sell to that NPC when I can get close to literally 100 times MORE than that from players? I'd be surprised if anyone uses this vendor at all in the week it'll be active.

Oooh, literally. 23.5 k per diamond * 100 = 2.3 mil per diamond. Which server has that? *sigh* You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

On Topic:

Yes, NPC is useless. Remember when we had the "gold for dia" and "dia for gold' NPCs before AH dias? Most people remember Cedric, as in "dias for gold" NPC. Nobody remembers whoever that other "gold for dias" NPC was because nobody was actively trading dias for gold. So, now we have another one just like that. Sure, the new NPC is useless, but it was useless before in its previous incarnation.

There was much complaining about diamonds in the AH so GF removed them; it's the power of whining.

There were suggestions on the forum and GF has taken steps. Hopefully, the steps they take will alleviate some of the problems people have & if they don't, at least the the "evil gold players/bots/whatnot in AH" will now have to find another way to get their diamonds.

Let's be honest here, folks... I'm pretty sure GF was NOT very thrilled to put dias back in the AH in the first place. The time that we had that luxury was nice, but of course, people whined. This exploit, that exploit, so-and-so is manipulating diamond prices, etc.. it's like we, as players, can't have any nice toys because we're always whining about something.

As Zid and many others have said, enjoy the game and play it. If it's not to your liking, someone's always making a new AWESOMEST GAME EVERRRRRR! Just saying :))

Like I said, dias in AH; no dias in AH, only minorly affects me since I have to plan on buying small amounts of dias for my alts when something like bp space or portable mailbox/bank/ah are about up. I like this game & I support it by buying diamonds w/ RL cash, simple as that. :)