Runes of Magic US / AU

When they say they are working on an alternative solution I can't help but smile with the memory of the last time diamonds were taken out of the AH. 'This is just a temporary solution.' That was the refrain repeated over and over and how long did that temporary solution last?

Quoted from "vfwiffo"

Quoted from "Trebbaron"

BTW...."Instead, we are offering the possibility to exchange diamonds for gold by visiting Felix at the main square in Varanas. You can find him there from 01/28/2014 until 02/04/2014. The exchange rate will vary from server to server"...His name's not Felix either.

I understand reading is hard, but do try to keep up. This is so yesterday. This is today.

Feeling feisty Vfwiffo? Lol... after all, the front page does still say Felix.

Quoted from "Trebbaron"

Feeling feisty Vfwiffo? Lol... after all, the front page does still say Felix.

I'll concede the point. So it does, for AU and US. That was original announcement, which was corrected when posted in all the other markets on front page, and on forums here in US. The earlier versions were wrong, in text at least. Looking at that picture, I think we can safely conclude that most people named Felix don't have the... ummm... err... those parts.

Meh. I shouldn't be this cranky when encountering people who convince themselves that if they don't contribute any resources to success of a task, that is a good way to make sure that task gets done well. You are not the first person, sadly enough won't be the last. I should be used to it by now - it is not exactly limited to ROM.

"We are already working on alternative method to enable you to trade diamonds again. "
This is posted on the page now, I guess the mass rage was enough

Quoted from "lesmceld"

When they say they are working on an alternative solution I can't help but smile with the memory of the last time diamonds were taken out of the AH. 'This is just a temporary solution.' That was the refrain repeated over and over and how long did that temporary solution last?

Yeah talk about a time warp lol. I was just explaining this to a guildy how Froggy did essentially the same thing. They promised dias would be back on the AH, and then they were working on an alternative. The only solution I saw was when Game Forge took over and put dias back on the AH. I'd like to give GF the benefit of the doubt and hope that they actually have a plan, but I'm a tad on the pessimistic side due to past experiences.

This might me a move to see if more players will buy diamonds with good promotions coming up. I wouldn't be surprised to see +16 jewels while this thing stands.

Congrats to GF for perfect miscommunication.

The original Australian announcement, which caused the panic, still(!) does not say "We are already working on alternative method to enable you to trade diamonds again." and still does not have "temporarily" in "Instead, we are temporarily offering to exchange diamonds for gold by visiting Ydora at postbox in Varanas. You can find her there from 28.01.2014 until 04.02.2014."

Originally, I have seen just the .au announcement. Now, after seeing the .us one, I can see why there were posts in the spirit of "at least they are doing something" above.

The difference in the message is huge, ofc. I agree with ghostwolf that this "temporary" change in practice is limited, for a week we are simply back at the old scammable gift-trading.

Quoted from "ghostwolf82"

While I enjoyed the ability to put up an AH sale to be able to sell my dias even when I am offline, this doesn't really make THAT much of a difference to me. I will still be able to sell my dias to other players via gifting, so meh, wuteva.

I can't see how it could possibly be better than dias on AH, but again - if it's really just for a week, fine, unconvenient but not a disaster. We, F2P players, can wait for a week with upgrading gear etc. after all (or trade with reliable friends only). I just have no idea why removing dias from AH could not have waited a week, until the new system is all perfect and working.

Just ... if you were not able to make the new system work by Feb.2nd, would you consider re-introduction of dias back to AH ("temporarily", lol). The current "temporary" structure (basically cutting F2P players from dias, except for the scammable and really inconvenient gift system) is not sustainable. If it gets prolonged there simply will be less dias on the market (because if P2P people need in-game gold, they will buy gold from goldsellers instead of buying dias for real money and having no idea when they will be able to trade it for gold using the gift system; but frankly, I'm acutally impressed by the fact that GF decided to cut its revenue to prevent goldsellers trading on AH ) ; and from a F2P perspective - even if you find someone willing to sell dias (through the gift system) the price per a dia will be higher (to compensate for the inconvenience of the gift trading, and beacuse of smaller supply of dias).

Anyway - any hints on the new perfect speculator-free "alternative method to enable [us] to trade diamonds again"?

The method to solve the problem has been suggested many times but is always ignored, to make the diamonds sold in the Auction House bound. No more buying all the diamonds up and raising the prices the character that bought them would have to use them. no more laundering the diamonds bought with gold from gold spammers.by moving them through multiple accounts.

Well at least Gameforge did something, you don't like it, well buy your own diamonds. Most of the QQ happening on this thread are from F2P people. How is not spending a dime on a game makes you think you are contributing to the greater good of it?? no income, no servers, no game, are people just not seeing this?

Rustyx, i understand what you are saying, how many times have you made comments on my posts and finally i saw the light and understood what you meant These people do come and go.

Also to all those 50 posts and less babbling about in this thread, banned from the forums? banned from the game? ya you ssurely are know it alls about the game. Gameforge did more for the game or at least tried the most in the last few months than Frogster ever did. They do not help the 10% of endgamers only and send gifts to them when they show up, they make it fair to everyone, no matter their level. Sales are getting there slowly, ThePit did say it was a long process and i think they are able to play with the IS more without breaking anything lol.

QQ all you want about diamonds out of the AH, i am HAPPY about it. To all the people that knew or were doing it themselves of manipulating the prices on AH to make GOLD, well sucks to be you now. Oh yes you have amassed billions of gold, good luck using it now LMAO!! i remember on Reni who was doing it, screenshots and all, when i sell my diamonds, you ain't getting any.

Leave diamonds off the AH, we do not need them there, gifting was so much more fun and diamonds used to be at 8K per not 200K per, btw who is to blame for these prices?? well F2P of course, so ya have fun when all your house energy runs out, backpack runs out and bankspace too LOL.

Stopp the QQ, diamonds are out of AH live with it, we did it for 2 1/2 years before and survived, we will again.

Accurate to a point but ignoring the whole current economic system. The game logic was you spend money or time. The people who spent the money didn't have to spend as much time. They could buy items from the people who spent the time getting the items. The people who spent the time didn't have to spend as much money. Now spending time will get you nothing so the items that the people who spend the money will no longer be there they will have to spend the time which they didn't want to do in the first place. Both sides lose. Now items will cost 10 times as much in the AH because there is so much gold and no diamonds to spend it on.

Question is-did thy fixed the npc?

The problem is that this doesn't fixes the problem . We will be back at tons of scamming, but at least there might be cheaper dias..... :/

Wow scamming? like really?? come on people stop with the panicking!!!! once more, buy from trusted people, not from a level 1 selling diamonds loll, if you do, well you deserve what is coming to you.

There was one at one time, telling people he was a high end guild endgamer and he was using that alt for his transactions, LMAO anyone who believe that is dumb. And yes he scammed players, yes people QQ"ued as expected. We are all born with common sense and a bit of intelligence, so put it to use.

Scamming doesn't happen unless you let it happen to you, you are the only one responsible for it. Remember the 2 morons who flashed orange statted gear with all the same stats, 5 rune slots with X stats on it, need i say more?? we all saw the results of being stupid.

Common sense goes a long way. Play clean, play intelligently and keep on playing or get a vacation, it all comes down to the choices you make, red pill or blue pill??

Quoted from "Bakken"

"We are already working on alternative method to enable you to trade diamonds again. "
This is posted on the page now, I guess the mass rage was enough

They always say that... then nothing ever happens... They just hope everyone forgets it eventually...

Quoted from "zidlef"

once more, buy from trusted people, not from a level 1 selling diamonds loll

You do realize that not many people stock up 500+ dias for the good sales right? If so, maybe those rich Renians should pay a visit to other servers .

Quoted from "zidlef"

Well at least Gameforge did something, you don't like it, well buy your own diamonds. Most of the QQ happening on this thread are from F2P people. How is not spending a dime on a game makes you think you are contributing to the greater good of it?? no income, no servers, no game, are people just not seeing this?

So what's your point? Since the change influences P2P players less, it's fine that it makes F2P players' life harder with no good reason? Or do you actually see and can explain the logic behind the change?

And you _are_ right, GF did a lot of good fighting with boting and cheating. I just really don't see what good will come from this change if it was to be a semi-permanent change. But indeed - they did good job in other fields, so I put my trust in the part of the .us announcement (missing from the .au and .eu ones!) saying

Quoted

We are already working on alternative method to enable you to trade diamonds again.

I do agree with aardvark3 - both sides lose:

Quoted from "aardvark3"

Accurate to a point but ignoring the whole current economic system. The game logic was you spend money or time. The people who spent the money didn't have to spend as much time. They could buy items from the people who spent the time getting the items. The people who spent the time didn't have to spend as much money. Now spending time will get you nothing so the items that the people who spend the money will no longer be there they will have to spend the time which they didn't want to do in the first place. Both sides lose.

But again, hopefully the change will be just temporary (this time really - just for a week until February 2nd mentioned in the announcement?) and after that we will have a new better/safer way to trade dias. Lots of ideas are possible: a price system less manipulation-prone (e.g. more like a stock exchange where the whole bucket of offers decides about the final price rather than each action being sold individually?); or a way to exclude inactive toons created just for playing AH (e.g. you need to have level enough or do something [finish at least one quest for your level daily?] before you can participate in dia trade) or 1000 other ideas - I really look forward to what GF meant by the "alternative method to enable [us] to trade diamonds again". But until then, the current "temporary" saituation is simply worse - for both F2P and P2P players.

Quoted from "hangman04"

The problem is that this doesn't fixes the problem . We will be back at tons of scamming, but at least there might be cheaper dias..... :/

No fix => agreed. Scamming => agreed. Cheaper dias => what??? Could you please, please, please explain where do you see the cheaper dias coming from? With aboundance of gold and shortage of dias: people will buy dias for real money and then they will come to the server and say: "I could easily sell these dias for [whatever] and would easily find a buyer but, neeeah, let's just sell 4 times cheaper". Really? zidlef might do this but, honestly, I don't see this happening as a general trend. Removing dias from AH makes determination of the market value more difficult but how would it just by itself make dias cheaper???

Quoted from "Dkjester"

I asked this TONS of times in other threads:
Do you really want GF trying to step in and fix the economy? Do you realize that could backfire horribly!?!?

Well, yep, be careful what you ask for. I, for one, did not ask for such a change (and have also warned in a number of threads against silly non-solutions like binding dias from AH etc.) so at least I have now a free pass for QQing about the "temporary" blocking of dia trade.

But note also that the fact that these threads existed means that there _is_ a problem with current model of economy, at least on some servers. I just hope that what we'll see on February 2nd will indeed be a proper great solution that will knock us all out with its elegance, safety and ... the fact that it will actually solve "something". 'Cause just removing dias from AH solves nothing and just makes everyone's life worse, imho.

Quoted from "Needundead"

Quoted from "zidlef"

once more, buy from trusted people, not from a level 1 selling diamonds loll

You do realize that not many people stock up 500+ dias for the good sales right? If so, maybe those rich Renians should pay a visit to other servers .

Well please remember that i speak for what is happening on MY SERVER RENI!!! i've watch the economy on other server and it is bad. Never log on my toon on Artemis, too scared of someone might have duped me loll. Reni has a lot of diamond buyers so it does help. but i get your point.

Yea, this doesn't affect all the servers in the same way. Also the only way you don't get affected by it at all, is if you're self-sufficient. That is, you play by yourself and you get everything yourself. In essence this defeats the purpose of "massively multi-player games". P2P get affected less but you better believe that when they see the price of tier stone, stats, equipment, etc sky rocket, they gonna want more of those whining F2P. This was horrible, in no way does it fix or "balances" the in-game economy.

If I wanted to buy gold from gold seller, so what? Now I don't see their website in world chat anymore but I can still go to it and buy it from there and then use that cheap gold to keep buying diamonds. It made it a bit trickier but it is still doable.This was aimed with the sole purpose to increase their diamond sales, which is not going to happen btw. If anything, this actually creates the opposite effect; an imbalance. Outside of sales, diamonds prices are going to be lower and during offers prices are going to skyrocket. It will create even more volatility and uncertainty.

Not to mention that as I stated above, you actually need to find someone with the amount of diamonds the sale is going for and hope that they are willing to sell them. You can't stock up or save them anymore. Before I bought 50 dias from person A, 50 from person B, 50 from person C and I saved them if I didn't like what was being offered. Now I have to wait till the offer is actually up and find someone with all 150 and hope that person is willing to sell. Big disappointment and failure here. If you really want to fix and "balance" the game, do exactly the opposite of what you are doing.

Well i would wait till we fo get a good sale, we do get maybe a diamond sale and see what diamonds will go for before creating mass panic. Also a lot of players who are waiting on the +16 to supposedly do their 82 gear, why? why would anyone in their right mind do that? wait for next level cap at 85 or even 90. Oh but i want to be the best dps on hte server, well there is always somebody better than you no matter what. Play to have fun, not just have the best of everything.

We have fun in all the instances we go to, we run, we die, we laugh, we lose our minds but all in good fun.

BTW a lot of endgamers are still sitting on more than 20K diamonds and were still buying them off AH, not needing them but just in case. People are too fast and eager to spend them and buy crap they do not need. Play with what you got and enjoy yourselves

personally I think this might be a good thing. seeing as how I have not bought dias from ah since they broke 100k per. I just do without. if I cant get it with tokens I don't bother. I quit buying dias with rl money when my chest disappeared from my house a few years back. so, im now f2p. until I see that I wont lose anything I spend my hard earned dollars on. moving on, the point people keep making about its going to lead to more scammers, well, back in the day, if you bought a dias item from someone with gold, you sent half up front. never ever send the whole amt of gold before receiving at least a good faith item, say, one puri or something of smaller value. people who send a cs item to someone they don't know, without having any inkling of who their customer is, kinda deserves to get the short end. know your buyer.

I kinda hope they add a cod dias slot to mail function. so you can sell dias to someone, cod it, and if they don't pay, they don't get the dias. simple right?

I invest my time. farming stuff people cant be bothered to farm but things they need. wanna discount what f2p people contribute to the game, see how well your runs go without mats for instruments, mats for potions and foods. the game has become overbalanced in favor of those who pay to win over those that play to get by. I think gf move with the dias will somewhat correct that.

I was having a discussion with a guildie the other day about dias to gold prices. it broke down like this. she farms dog meat. constantly. one stack of dog meat gets her enough gold to buy one puri. or enough dias to buy one puri I should say. takes about an hour to farm that stack of dog meat. so it translates to about $1 dollar an hour is what she earns with her time. so yea, dias prices are stupid. something needs done. this decision may not jive with most but at least it is something. everyone has been qqing for gf to do something, well here it is. lets see it play out, share our opinions, quit threatening to quit the game for the umpteenth time and be patient.

that's my plan. keep on playing like I have been because dias prices don't really affect me, cause I aint payin the prices. my time is worth way more, and my real dollars are only going to be spent when my investment seems secure.