Runes of Magic US / AU

Quoted from "Dkjester"

yeah I wont say they aren't part of the system, but I know a few P2P that are doing just fine and didn't go F2P. One of them is 14 years old. P2P, 13 a month, still has enough money to keep the servers up and introduce new content. Has had other games go F2P but not that one. Game isn't full, but merely really fun.

F2P players have their place... however them asking for ways to make it easier to be top tier without spending money... not the way to keep a game running. Easier it is to be top tier for free... the less that people do it and then if it continues, eventually no P2P. We know where that goes.


Hence why I said, as a P2P, I have a problem with the F2P community having the bigger forum voice and expect their ideas/suggestions for things to go their way irritates me. I pay for them to play, yet they want the system to go their way and MY opinion on it becomes.... how did Borella put it? "I hope the self righteous P2P Players enjoy playing the game all by themselves, because that seems to be what you want. And at this rate, that's where this game is heading. "

Sorry I pay to keep the servers running, and the F2P have little to no respect for those of us that make it possible for them to be F2P. Heck they have only been fleecing gear prices for how long? But that is another story for another thread. I just don't think trying to make it easier to F2P is the way to go. It should be possible to be F2P and top tier, but that should be MAYBE 5% of the F2P population. Anymore then that and P2P players decide to quit being P2P... or go to another game. I mean who wants to be the one paying to keep a game running, and the ones that aren't paying are as good or better geared than them and how they act being that way....

This I agree with, and kudos to those that are still willing to spend on this game to keep it running despite GF's... embarrassing mistakes. Thank you for keeping the servers going, and hopefully it will give GF enough time to understand how to run this game properly.

I just wanted to defend current players that are or have turned F2P from the several arguments that promoted Gameforge actively making decisions to cause all F2P's to quit.

Hm. Hostility. Nice.

If you truly think that the game could survive with nothing but the people that P2P, you're delusional. If this game were to suddenly swap to a subscription method, it would die. F2P players are just as important as the P2P are. They provide a population. Nobody wants to play a game with 30 people per server.

As to why GF should care. That's a good question. maybe because they should care WHY people are quitting their games? Blind praise and high fives don't get them anywhere, though that seems to be all you and Zid are capable of doing. You're right. Perhaps it would be better if the only thing allowed on the forums was positive glowing praise. I hope You Zid and Rusty enjoy the forums.

And here's a thought, if you want people to P2P, make the game worth paying for. It's not right now. It hasn't been for awhile. Why should anyone pay to support a game that shows time and time again they don't deserve it. If you wish to pump money into a black hole, be my guest.

I'd rather play with a party of f2p players that have the same struggles as me, the same crappy gear, the same low DPS than following around 1 p2w player that can burn it down, but that's just me...

I'd take 50 f2p players over 10 paying players any day...



remember when the game was easy to be f2p? yeah, me too, and the servers actually had a population...

I am here for a free game. no, I will not have the same gear. no, I will not have the same advantages. I WILL however have the same fun, and if I am having enough, I may go out and drop a bit of cash on the game that I enjoy playing with my friends...


also, f2p is great for marketing(if we had any), as it allows people to try the game risk free...heck, I've tried about half a dozen other games just because they were free and I could...

most f2p players end up dropping some money on the game at some point in time...in time, if they see promise, people who start f2p will end up spending money, and those are the types of players I'd like to see come to the game...

It seems that f2p, p2p, and p2w are being used in the wrong terms here, i am going to try to clarify that a bit.

f2p = spends a little amount of money or none at all on the game they play
p2p = spends money regularly on the game they play to support the game so it doesnt die
p2w = spends money on the game for the sole purpose of becoming the best that there is in the game

F2p Example
F2p players support the game by spending money on rare occasions and by doing MOST of the farming (gear/items/card/stats and crafting in the game, and for that i want to add a quick thank you to everyone that does farm and craft, it makes it so i have ample time to work on my addons. As i have never been a f2p player in any game i play i cant really describe much of the other things they do with their time but i can say that f2p players are almost as vital to the game as the p2p players that help financially keep the servers up. (i say almost because this game does need money to stay running)

P2p example
Spending money and making addons is how i (Lifefire) choose to support the game... im a p2p player, i spend about $50-$100 a week on the game, is that used for becoming the best? Absolutely not. I buy things such as, as much storage space as i can possibly get on my main toon because i like saving everything i find, i buy fluff items for no reason other than they are nice to have, i have over 500+ of each type of transport rune because im lazy, and i buy many other things too. Now on top of those things i waste money on, yes all my gear is +16 but no its not as good as it could be simply because im not a p2w player. I also do not sell my dias for gold or gear or anything else, i do occasionally give them away to guildies for free but i never have less than 10k-15k dias, just so that if something cool like a perm bag space or 6player mount comes out, i can buy it. ... (dont take this as me talking down on anyone because im not)

P2w example
P2w players is entirely different from p2p and f2p, P2w players spend the more money than p2p and f2p. A p2w player's main goal is to be stronger and than everyone else regardless of who they have to step on in order to get there. Sure they spend money like p2p, how much... i dont know. Not all p2w players are bad but a lot of them are, they have a natural tendency to make sure everyone knows they are among the best, they boast about how good they are, and what they can do in the game by themselves that no one else can do. P2w players are also rare in most games though because after a while of being the best they get tired of a game and move on to the next.

[[ == As for using myself as a P2p example, i did that because it was the best example i could give. Do not think that i am putting F2p players down in anyway, the only difference between f2p and p2p is how often they spend money. But keep in mind that spending money is optional and some people can not afford to spend money on a game when they have a family or bills to take care of. == ]]

If you made it this far then i say thank you for reading this post.... If you got to this line by just skipping to the end , well shame on you lol go back and read it. Anyone feels that i got something wrong in this post, please feel free to mention it as well. I cant correct myself in the future if i dont know what i got wrong the first time around.


tl:dr
if that was too long and you didnt read it then just go to the next post and dont worry about mine lol

If you seriously think the people who are complaining are the ones that jacked up the prices for diamonds in the AH you are sadly mistaken.

These are people who are hoping to see the game survive and frankly, i'm certain that this change will make gameforge LOSE SALES. I bought diamonds recently, I am in contact with their billing department to get a refund on them. Their management has actually made me decide to pull my money BACK FROM THEM because their concerns are in all the wrong places.

game needs both f2p players to provide community and p2w/p2p players to provide revenue...

i have removed some posts from here any more personal attacks by ANYONE will get you a holiday.
please stay within our forum rules.

i like these 2 posts

Quoted from "Needundead"

Yea, this doesn't affect all the servers in the same way. Also the only way you don't get affected by it at all, is if you're self-sufficient. That is, you play by yourself and you get everything yourself. In essence this defeats the purpose of "massively multi-player games". P2P get affected less but you better believe that when they see the price of tier stone, stats, equipment, etc sky rocket, they gonna want more of those whining F2P. This was horrible, in no way does it fix or "balances" the in-game economy.

If I wanted to buy gold from gold seller, so what? Now I don't see their website in world chat anymore but I can still go to it and buy it from there and then use that cheap gold to keep buying diamonds. It made it a bit trickier but it is still doable.This was aimed with the sole purpose to increase their diamond sales, which is not going to happen btw. If anything, this actually creates the opposite effect; an imbalance. Outside of sales, diamonds prices are going to be lower and during offers prices are going to skyrocket. It will create even more volatility and uncertainty.

Not to mention that as I stated above, you actually need to find someone with the amount of diamonds the sale is going for and hope that they are willing to sell them. You can't stock up or save them anymore. Before I bought 50 dias from person A, 50 from person B, 50 from person C and I saved them if I didn't like what was being offered. Now I have to wait till the offer is actually up and find someone with all 150 and hope that person is willing to sell. Big disappointment and failure here. If you really want to fix and "balance" the game, do exactly the opposite of what you are doing.

gold sellers still exist

ah freeze just severely inconveniences both f2p and p2p players while introducing potential scams.

Quoted from "northend"

Ah the good old sledge hammer solution, for when you don't have the brains to think of anything better. No dias bound after 1 trade, No must be x level to use ah, trade dias, or use worldchat, no account must have existed for x days before being able to use ah/worldchat etc.

And of course no diamond option in the trade window to soften your sledgehammer blow, scam on brothers. Or you can lose 85% of the gold value of your dias and pay for the knowledge of a safe trade to the npc.

The complete lack of subtlety must be a point of pride for gameforge, you can always count on them to show up to the surgery room with a chainsaw. I applaud, if they already think you're incompetent why leave any doubt on the table, flip the damn thing over (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

actual options to slow down spammers AND dia reseller inflation






Removed joke towards Moonlight as some will not understand it ~Majik

For the record though, i thought it was funny...

Add a CoD option to itemshop items.

This way you can do up to three things:

1) buy for yourself
2) give to friend / alt
3) send to person and receive gold. receive rubies + gold in mail if CoD is accepted.

Quoted from "bleedingblak"

Add a CoD option to itemshop items.

This way you can do up to three things:

1) buy for yourself
2) give to friend / alt
3) send to person and receive gold. receive rubies + gold in mail if CoD is accepted.

that's a brilliant idea, lets make this happen. This shall be a thing. Moonlight, make this a thing.

Quoted from "sertet"

If you seriously think the people who are complaining are the ones that jacked up the prices for diamonds in the AH you are sadly mistaken.

These are people who are hoping to see the game survive and frankly, i'm certain that this change will make gameforge LOSE SALES. I bought diamonds recently, I am in contact with their billing department to get a refund on them. Their management has actually made me decide to pull my money BACK FROM THEM because their concerns are in all the wrong places.

+1 to you sertet!

As a player from the Ch2 days who loved RoM back then I had wanted to see the game survive until the bitter end. While I have been a F2P player for at least the past year for a LONG time I was a P2P player. I counted this morning and I still have 109 used Zeevex cards, most of them $10 cards, and 1 $10 RoM card that I found somewhere when Frogster ran things. I also bought diamonds $40-120 at a time with CC's in the past during some of the larger sales. So it's not like I haven't contributed a significant amount to the game. I know I've lost a bunch of the early Zeevex cards I had, the yellow & red zebra striped looking ones, so the 109 figure should probably be closer to 150.

However, with the decisions GF is making lately I've basically decided to stop playing all together and when people who know I play RoM ask me how things are going in game I tell them straight up. Not that I'm anyone important but I do happen to work at the Corporate HQ for a Fortune 500 company in a position where I see dozens, sometimes hundreds of people daily. And some that I work with are people who's salaries are more than probably everyone on staff at GF PUT TOGETHER!

Anyway, long story short some of the F2P players now were once BIG P2P/P2W players and probably brought many other people into the game as well. I know I did. But to continually cast aside those F2P players just to try and squeeze a little more out of the current P2P population is going to backfire in the long run.

Just more of my $.02 which is now probably up to at least $.25.

Quoted from "Choralone42"

However, with the decisions GF is making lately I've basically decided to stop playing all together and when people who know I play RoM ask me how things are going in game I tell them straight up. Not that I'm anyone important but I do happen to work at the Corporate HQ for a Fortune 500 company in a position where I see dozens, sometimes hundreds of people daily. And some that I work with are people who's salaries are more than probably everyone on staff at GF PUT TOGETHER!

Anyway, long story short some of the F2P players now were once BIG P2P/P2W players and probably brought many other people into the game as well. I know I did. But to continually cast aside those F2P players just to try and squeeze a little more out of the current P2P population is going to backfire in the long run.

Just more of my $.02 which is now probably up to at least $.25.

Wow you know rich people, do you want a medal?? The GM and CM are not paid for their services, VOLUNTEERS. I do not mind spending money on the game, i do not smoke, drink, do drugs or even drink energy drink to come here and ramble of how they should or not do things in the game. All i see is a bunch of unpaid people trying to do their best to help us make the game better. You want it done faster?? everything fixed in a week?? Well get off your fat arse and go work at their home office and impress us.

No money, no server, no game, is this so hard to understand?? apparently it is to those F2P. And yes i could be F2P but i choose not to be and it helps the game and changes are being seen even if it is not fast enough for the kids.

Quoted from "zidlef"

Wow you know rich people, do you want a medal?? The GM and CM are not paid for their services, VOLUNTEERS. I do not mind spending money on the game, i do not smoke, drink, do drugs or even drink energy drink to come here and ramble of how they should or not do things in the game. All i see is a bunch of unpaid people trying to do their best to help us make the game better. You want it done faster?? everything fixed in a week?? Well get off your fat arse and go work at their home office and impress us.

No money, no server, no game, is this so hard to understand?? apparently it is to those F2P. And yes i could be F2P but i choose not to be and it helps the game and changes are being seen even if it is not fast enough for the kids.

Way to take that not in the way I intended!

What I was trying to say is many of us at one time put a LOT of $$$ into this game but due to the way the game has been run over the past year or two we have decided to no longer financially support the game. However, just because I don't give all sort of $$$ to GF now doesn't mean that someone I may bring to the game if things were going well wouldn't decide to spend a bunch of money. Because I WOULD encourage them to be a P2P player unless they felt otherwise. Don't forget that at one time I was a P2P player just like you. How many players who were P2P went F2P or quit over something that GF screwed up? I'm going to guess and say quite a few.

And yes I do know people that are rich and are also gamers. I would guess some others that play RoM do as well. Most of the rich people I know got that way by working hard, making good decisions and in many cases realizing that you don't have to step on or cast aside people to get ahead. I also realize that most CM & GM positions are unpaid. However, there ARE folks at GF who ARE paid and those are the people who may be making decisions like taking diamonds out of the AH. Ultimately, those are the same people who may find themselves out of a job if more and more players continue to leave the game and continue to NOT financially support it!

So if you are telling me that you by yourself can afford to keep the game running financially by all means do so. However, I would like to look at the bigger picture. And that's what I am getting at.

Do I have all the answers? No. Do I have the ability to fix everything? Heck no. Do I expect some things to be fixed in some kind of timely fashion? LOL No!

But so long as I'm allowed to post in these forums and still give a crap about a game I've been playing for close to 4 years, I will continue to do so when I see something that I feel is not beneficial to the game.

UPDATE - Thread is open again, all posts not contributing to the thread's topic have been removed. ~Majik

I like the idea of making a COD for AH items

Quoted from "Cike"

I'd rather play with a party of f2p players that have the same struggles as me, the same crappy gear, the same low DPS than following around 1 p2w player that can burn it down, but that's just me...

Quoted from "Cike"

I'd take 50 f2p players over 10 paying players any day...

Quoted from "Cike"

remember when the game was easy to be f2p? yeah, me too, and the servers actually had a population...

Quoted from "Cike"

I am here for a free game. no, I will not have the same gear. no, I will not have the same advantages. I WILL however have the same fun, and if I am having enough, I may go out and drop a bit of cash on the game that I enjoy playing with my friends...

Quoted from "Cike"

also, f2p is great for marketing(if we had any), as it allows people to try the game risk free...heck, I've tried about half a dozen other games just because they were free and I could...

Quoted from "Cike"

most f2p players end up dropping some money on the game at some point in time...in time, if they see promise, people who start f2p will end up spending money, and those are the types of players I'd like to see come to the game...

im p2w means you not want to play with me anymore cike?? *dies a lil inside*

This only confirmed my suspicions from my previous post. An intended move, removing diamonds from AH and putting +16 jewels next. We haven't had +16 jewels since cap lvl 82 released and we have them the weekend diamonds were removed from AH. Too big of a coincidence.

Quoted from "kraya"

This only confirmed my suspicions from my previous post. An intended move, removing diamonds from AH and putting +16 jewels next. We haven't had +16 jewels since cap lvl 82 released and we have them the weekend diamonds were removed from AH. Too big of a coincidence.

You.. you mean it was all a ploy to make money? From GF? NO WAY! What a shocker.

Quoted from "Borella"

Quoted from "kraya"

This only confirmed my suspicions from my previous post. An intended move, removing diamonds from AH and putting +16 jewels next. We haven't had +16 jewels since cap lvl 82 released and we have them the weekend diamonds were removed from AH. Too big of a coincidence.

You.. you mean it was all a ploy to make money? From GF? NO WAY! What a shocker.

Why is it so hard for you conspiracy theorists to understand that they are only trying "to balance the economy in the game and prevent Goldseller scam."

Quoted from "bleedingblak"

Add a CoD option to itemshop items.

I like this idea.