Runes of Magic US / AU

Quoted from "zidlef"

Yep i also have like 5500 rubies, it's just that rubies in my eyes should be much more valuable than diamonds since the only way to be obtained is by spending diamonds. Many have said that in the past, then you have those that will argue they are free since you have spent diamonds etc. Well not free if you have to spend diamonds to buy them, they should make it possible to buy rubies for the item shop too

This is one of the few, if not the only thing I believe you and I will ever agree on Zid.

Rubies are alot more scarce so to speak. So if diamond rates are, for example, 150k per, rubies should be MORE per.



And I'm sure a good portion of the f2p community who don't spend a dime on this game will disagree with me on that, because they don't want to pay more than the 60k per they're paying right now. Yet gear prices from the same f2p players are 150m+ for one piece.



The balance between diamond seller prices and gear seller prices...delicate it is.

Lol just lol, gear has been at 100 mill plus since gch gear on reni.gear or dias are only worth what people are willing to pay.

Me jus hopeth that Gameforge does somethin bout scammers, since they once gain removered those diamonds. In the past, iffn yer done got scammed, the response twas, "Tough for you, you should have had them send first." Or some such nonsense. Can we hear from a GM iffn there do be plans fer vacations fer scammers?

Edit: restated this better in post 151, please delete this one then.

This is my first forum post during the 5 years I have been playing RoM. I use "5 years" loosely because I have quit playing many times during those 5 years when the game changes in ways which make it less enjoyable. I used to buy diamonds with cash early on, but haven't for some time and wont. Recently, since I have been playing again, diamond prices have been high (on Govinda), and that kinda sucks, but, it's manageable. I could buy some diamonds whenever I had an extra 10 or 20 mil and save them up for when the things I need go on sale. Cool.

Without diamonds on the AH, there is no way for F2P players to "stockpile" diamonds. So, more diamonds stay with the diamond sellers during non-good-sale times. For those who buy diamonds for the express purpose of selling them to make gold, their window of high sales revolves around good-sale times. Good sales being: something people need, which is different for most players. Some are in the market for mounts while others need +16 stones.

Without diamonds on the AH, the following conditions must be met for diamond trade to occur: 1) there is something for sale which is needed. 2) Diamond Buyers have enough gold saved to buy the diamonds for the items they need. 3) Diamond Sellers have enough diamonds saved to meet demand. 4) both Diamond Buyer and Diamond Seller are online at the same time, while the needed item is for sale. If all of these conditions are met for all players involved in Diamond trade, sales will continue as normal. If not, well, QQ for everyone.

But, whatevs, we'll see how it goes.

I personally like that they removed the Dia's from the AH even before they had removed it i still wouldnt use it because 1 i didnt get rubies and 2 it only feed the gold sellers and infated the dia price i don't think they should add it back in unless they add a feture that prevents buying them and reselling them at a higher price.

And also where is it indicated that diamond buyer have to sell their diamonds at all? I sit on 10K diamonds and 5K rubies, i do not need anything, i have plenty of gold, i sell a bunch of stuff everyday, crafting, stats, gear etc. I give a lot to my guildies and we are starting to see the difference in runs, YEAH!! better yourselves first.

Those supposed to be F2P aren't helping the servers at all, because they sell you gear at 100M+ per piece, why should we sell them any diamonds? Why should we let them reap all the benefits of the game? Keep your diamonds, make PUG groups, run stuff and complete instances for quests, set-skill and pride, who cares if you have the latest gear if you cannot play your toon, can't do instances, just standing pretty in Varanas doesn't mean crap if you can't run stuff.

People on Reni are beginning to realize that and PUG's are being made, i remember when PUG's were done everyday at anytime on Reni. So let'S run people and let's have fun doing it!!!!

Do not forget that F2P endgame is high maintenance, their backpack spaces, bank spaces and house energy will run out if they can't access diamonds, what then? loll.

Quoted from "zidlef"

Those supposed to be F2P aren't helping the servers at all

this one statement is why you are wrong. if nothing else, f2p players provide a community. kick out all the f2p players, and have fun playing with yourself(i bet there are more than you think).

apparently us f2p players shouldn't help people, as that is helping the server. so all you f2p players that gave out gear and stats, or helped with runs, or even wrote guides. you can trash all that gear/stats, deleted the guides, and please ask those people you helped with runs to never turn in the quests they completed, and to delete the drops they got...too bad we can't do anything about the XP they got on the run...

seriously zid, i run with mostly f2p people, and they are normally nicer, better players, and more likely to "pay it forward" than p2p/p2w people...


just my $0.02

Quoted from "Cike"

Quoted from "zidlef"



Those supposed to be F2P aren't helping the servers at all

this one statement is why you are wrong. if nothing else, f2p players provide a community. kick out all the f2p players, and have fun playing with yourself(i bet there are more than you think).

apparently us f2p players shouldn't help people, as that is helping the server. so all you f2p players that gave out gear and stats, or helped with runs, or even wrote guides. you can trash all that gear/stats, deleted the guides, and please ask those people you helped with runs to never turn in the quests they completed, and to delete the drops they got...too bad we can't do anything about the XP they got on the run...

seriously zid, i run with mostly f2p people, and they are normally nicer, better players, and more likely to "pay it forward" than p2p/p2w people...


just my $0.02

+1. You can hate on f2p players all you want, but I guarantee you that without the f2p players, most P2P players would probably quit too. Nobody wants to play an empty game. Already there are complaints that the game is too empty, you really want to run off 90% of the playerbase? You're headed in that way right now with your P2P OR (cencored) attitude.

Who do you think people would rather play with? Someone who's f2p but nice and helpful? Or someone who buys diamonds and thinks they're superior and tells everyone else to (cencored) unless they drop a few hundred every month? I know which one I'd choose. People call endgamers elitist.. You p2p players are even worse.

Hey Borella :growup: can you use real words when you write something? Have you logged in in the last 2 weeks?? are you aware of what is going on? well if not play that other game you are playing and leave the real players play the game.


Cike you are right for some server, i am talking yet again of Reni, the drama of the last 2 weeks of the F2P who came out and literally said they do not need diamonds seller, we are nothing if not in their guild, we shouldn't even be trying since they are the almighty etc, plus the swearing and bad attitude, why would people of Reni care about F2P? no reason at all. Respect is earned, not given, that goes for all Renians who have lost the respect of everyone else on the server in the ENDGAME guilds.


As yet again we shall see guilds fall and tumble to their doom. Think about Dawtreaders, Helpinghands, Outlaws, Xareinguardians, EDH, etc. Nothing changes and keeps going full circle everytime.

And also without P2P you would have no game, but you probably are a great scholar of economy, and can all teach us how F2P can sustain it's own all by themselves without income, please indulges us with your knowledge loll

Quoted from "zidlef"

Those supposed to be F2P aren't helping the servers at all, because they sell you gear at 100M+ per piece, why should we sell them any diamonds?

The majority of the F2P players are just regular folks like you guys; we can't run anything harder than what P2P players can run too. We don't have any gear to sell that P2P can't get themselves - shell gear and shell stats, or proof gear from proof events. We don't have any more access to those gear than you do. So stop saying that "All F2P sell gear at 100m", because its completely untrue.

Zid, you're right to say that without P2P, game will close down. I don't think anyone will deny that. But without F2P in a F2P game, there will be no game either. (unless they change this into a sub based game - but we've seen plenty of AAA+ sub games go F2P, and that should tell you how "successful" a game can be without F2P's at all.

You wouldn't have a game without the f2p either. You can keep denying that all you want, but it's true. Sure, you need the P2P, but if you think this game would exist without the f2p, you're delusional. P2p players like a populated game. Unless 100% of the people you play with, talk to, sell those potions you're always rambling about to, pay to play, which I highly doubt, good luck playing a dead game.

Quoted from "zidlef"

And also without P2P you would have no game, but you probably are a great scholar of economy, and can all teach us how F2P can sustain it's own all by themselves without income, please indulges us with your knowledge loll

And, to quote Cike, there are other servers besides Reni.

We're just going in circles here, because both sides are correct to claim that there'll be no game without each other.

We're both right, the problem is that Zid has it stuck in his head that he is better than the f2p players because he pays, and that f2p players should stfu and be quiet about everything unless they pay. He refuses to admit that we need the f2p players just as much as the p2p players.

Borella, you should stop assuming what i am thinking. Are you aware of what has been going on Reni in the last 2 weeks? I am talking about the F2P endgamers that think that everybody else is worthless for the server except for themselves. So those i have a problem with, yes, but you are unaware of that Borella, stop talking without reading what the words say. Here's a pen and pratice it.

Ruisen you at least understood what i was writing, tyvm for taking the time

Here's a random sample of Govinda's auction House, in no price order. Assuming that the "F2P players sell gear for 100m+" argument is true, a random sample of the AH should show that the majority of the prices are at or close to 100m in price.

Krynor's Robe, the most expensive in the list, can no longer be obtained by the majority of the F2P, and even that is nowhere near 100m in price.

Unless I'm blind here, F2P do not sell gear anywhere near 100m. Looks more like "Most F2P sell between 15-25m" to me.

I am gonna chime in here.

First, these "nice" and "helpful" and F2P players that give things away... either don't exist on Artemis or are extremely rare. I VERY rare see someone giving away gear for free when ABLs are on sale (you know the "free your ABL"). Last one was Kanuu (sorry for calling out a name but he deserves credit for what he does, thumbs up). Maybe Reni is completely different, but on Artemis I have NEVER seen a F2P players giving out gear, or stats, or taking people on runs for free. I heard of a certain group charging people for runs. I also (with a few exceptions) don't see these players putting up any help on the forums or in game to help ANYONE... BB I am not talking about you, cause you do do some things.

So don't sit there and talk about how great the F2P community is. Heck on Artemis I know of a few people that were banned for exploiting a world boss for free PoMs, turning around and selling stuff for ridiculous prices... Wont name names, but I think they have been delt with now. Yea that is the type of F2P players we want? Nope not me. Or maybe some F2P players who link their gear, say they are giving it away just to then go "Guys it was a joke I just wanted to brag LOL". Yeah THAT is the type of F2P players we want right? NOT

Maybe other servers are different so Borella, Cike, and people not from Artemis... I cant speak for what happens on your servers, but on Artemis the F2P players have price gouged the diamond buyers for YEARS on gear prices. Any time someone like Ebilone tried to get the Diamond buyers to band together to make it more fair, these same people voiced their opinion on "if you don't like the price of the gear don't buy it".... These are now the same people that freak out when they are told "you don't like the prices of our diamonds? Don't buy em". I am sorry, I hope your player base is better....


But on Artemis it has been years since I have seen a F2P player giving away free advice, stats, gear, etc. They always want money (and in some cases it is warranted), but they are NOT looking out for the good of the community, so lets not try to make Saints out of Sinners.

The game CAN exist with enough F2P, It CANT without P2P. Will it last long without F2P players? I would rather not find out, but it CANT exist without people paying... Impossible... cant happen.

And yeah I guess I shouldn't say all F2P players are like that... F2Win players are the problem and they are the ones I am referring to.

I won't try to convince you that F2P are better or nicer than P2P somehow - I don't think we are. We're just normal players, just like P2P. I've met some great people who were F2P and great people that were P2P - I've also met rotten F2P and rotten P2P, and you just can't argue that one group is "nicer" than another. If you tried to, both sides would be correct and you get a never ending argument going in circles.

For example, if I was trying to argue with you, DK, I could point out that during X-mas 2 months ago, a bunch of beth-H gear was given away for free (and that is true), and a few P2P actually whispered to those people complaining that "the gear isn't even OD". Of course, it would be unfair to judge all P2p based on the actions of a few, but you can see that all arguments can be made both ways.

Dk jus tis in the wrong guild. Yer needeth ter get round more.

I am not saying one is better than the other. Like I clarified, I think the real problem is not F2P, but F2win. People that exploit the system to avoid spending money on the game but want to stay at the top. P2P players that want to stay at the top... just spend more money. F2Win players that want to stay at the top will exploit, manipulate, and try to keep the game in their favor. Those are the problem.


I surely don't think the people that were manipulating the diamond price were P2P players. I doubt the ones hacking everything and getting stuff for free... were P2P players. I doubt the ones that were exploiting world bosses were P2P players.

I am pretty sure they were all F2Win players. There is no reason for a P2P player to do that... it was all ways to avoid spending money or more money.

These are the players that here on the forums had a conniption fit when Ebilone wanted diamond prices higher due to gear prices, they were the ones that fought that gear prices were just fine while diamond prices were like 35k. 100 mil for one piece UD, (yea it was UD Doubter's recovery, from a certain F2Win group) and that is when diamonds were 35k each. Meaning that person really thought that it was worth.... 2857 diamonds... or what 50 bucks!?!?!?!

THese players give the regular F2P community a bad rap. These are the people we can deal without. F2Win, not F2P.

Edit to add: Yeah we been thinking about leaving our own little guild and getting in a guild finally. We have been alone for so long I mean there may be people that are really nice in guilds to each other.... but that is not the whole community