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Quoted from "Dkjester"

Here is where your analogy breaks down. Most games you buy for 60 dollars.. have limited content. Once you are done with the storyline (in most) that is it you are done. If you are like me, most games (like the Metro games, which I love) take only a few days and poof done. I wait for steam sales on them cause 10 bucks is worth a play through nothing more. Call of Duty type games... yes you can play them online which is repetitious and boring after a while.

So the 60 bucks you refer to might get you what? 1 week to 1 month of play. Then you have to move on to the next one. So by that thinking... you should be ok with spending 50 bucks a month on this game since you can play it constantly for the whole month.

Now if you are talking about other MMOs... most require a monthly pay... so ok you should be ok with paying the monthly sub to this game. If they are a "you buy and you are good for all of it and no montly sub"... well I don't know of many of those.

Sorry but your analogy is completely false since most games for 60 bucks are a limited amount of content and not an ever expanding world. Most games that are an ever expanding world... are MMOs, and make their money some other way. End of the day... you pay to play every game.

GW2 is a one time buy afaik, and it is still getting new content, zone releases, bug fixes, etc a year later.

I agree with Cike on this one. GF's own motto of "If you don't like it, don't buy it" (which is 100% true) is killing the game, for the sole reason that a lot of people have taken that advice from GF and stopped paying. They can be all arrogant and say that everytime, but in the end, whenever someone says "fine than, if that's how it will be, I'll just not buy diamonds" who's losing? Definitely not the player who decided not to spend money.

I've been retired from the game for a while now, I occasionally check the boards to see if they released new content ect... boy was I surprised when I read todays headlines.



Honestly I keep in touch with the few friends I had on FB and other social media sites. I miss hanging with my friends, as for the rest....

I don't miss the game and I certainly don't miss GF. shame they still don't seem to have it together.

Oh and with the money I'm not spending on RoM, I'm Going to Comicon ! Anyone else going? we could all get together and have a beer !



Wish all you folks who still play the best and I hope things turn around at GF.

that is why I said " well I don't know of many of those", which the one you mentioned is the one I could think of. So if there is a trend in the market... the ONE exception to that rule does not mean that is the way everything else should be. Also I thought that game also had ways people could still buy things for RL money... which falls under my previous statement of: "Most games that are an ever expanding world... are MMOs, and make their money some other way."

and you say, " "If you don't like it, don't buy it" (which is 100% true) is killing the game" which proof are you using for that? The population? The problem there (to which I said in another post, maybe not on this thread)... In this game you cant equate players that you see, with income to GF. Just cause you don't see many running around, people may still be buying diamonds and spending them.

Unfortunately, for all we know GF profits are going up... while the forum population is saying the game is dieing. We don't have access to that information, so we can only assume... which you know what happens when you do that... right?


For all we know.. GF may have made the largest profit of the last 6 months during the last +16 gasha sale... which means just cause we, the forum going population, say it was a flop... doesn't mean it flopped.



Now I agree, I cant see how it did anything but flop.. but I just wont make assumptions that I don't have proof to back up

Quoted from "saum02"

I've been retired from the game for a while now, I occasionally check the boards to see if they released new content ect... boy was I surprised when I read todays headlines.

Quoted from "saum02"

Honestly I keep in touch with the few friends I had on FB and other social media sites. I miss hanging with my friends, as for the rest....

Quoted from "saum02"

I don't miss the game and I certainly don't miss GF. shame they still don't seem to have it together.

Quoted from "saum02"

Oh and with the money I'm not spending on RoM, I'm Going to Comicon ! Anyone else going? we could all get together and have a beer !

Quoted from "saum02"

Wish all you folks who still play the best and I hope things turn around at GF.

OMG you are going too??? See you there bro! August 1-3

Quoted from "Dkjester"

and you say, " "If you don't like it, don't buy it" (which is 100% true) is killing the game" which proof are you using for that? The population? The problem there (to which I said in another post, maybe not on this thread)... In this game you cant equate players that you see, with income to GF. Just cause you don't see many running around, people may still be buying diamonds and spending them.

Unfortunately, for all we know GF profits are going up... while the forum population is saying the game is dieing. We don't have access to that information, so we can only assume... which you know what happens when you do that... right?


For all we know.. GF may have made the largest profit of the last 6 months during the last +16 gasha sale... which means just cause we, the forum going population, say it was a flop... doesn't mean it flopped.

We can't see GF's profits directly, but you can definitely see the difference in population now and population back then. You can definitely see the increasing number of posts or people chatting in game saying that they've chosen to stop buying diamonds because of GF's IS sales. These things we CAN see, and it's a massive difference.

For example, if you woke up one day to find your silverware missing, the window open, the mark of a dirty hand on the window frame, and the impress of a hobnailed boot on the gravel outside, you could assume that "Well, I didn't see the thief with my own eyes. Therefore for all i know my silverware was not stolen by a human thief, but instead was taken by a monkey and then a man with dirty hands and hobnailed boots looked in the window afterwards". There is nothing to say that it could not be true, and that it was indeed taken by a monkey, but is it likely? Just like there is nothing to say that GF is making huge profits right now, but based on what we CAN see, is it likely?

so by your example there... There is no possibility that 95% of the people that have left were F2P and never spent money and some people started paying more or some people finally put some money in?

I mean cause you are saying by your example that there is no chance that can be. However, that would be just ONE situation where you would see the population drop, and the posts like you said, yet GF profits would go up or stay the same.


Am I right? Hence why I said that based on what you have said one could ASSUME they have making less profit, and it looks like they should be... but we don't know for sure. So NO, it is NOT like your example of a robbery.


I know it goes against the point you are trying to make but there the possibility now isn't there?

Well we had 19 people buying diamonds in our guild last night, from 50$ to 100$ packs, they have faith in Gameforge and are willing to encourage the changes. Somethings might be more expensive, some other flash specials were great. We cannot stop on only some items that are too expensive, puris at 5 for 45 diamonds HELL YA, ABL's at 49 diamonds HELL YA, people tend to just be negative no matter what we get.

As DK said if F2P went to play something else, good for them, Gameforge won't care either way, they never spent real money to support it. It will just make people willing to play more together and remake PUG groups to run stuff. Stop telling yourselves that you have to be in an endgame guild to do endgame stuff.

On Reni we have a lot of good small guilds that have very well geared toons, we make PUGS whenever we can and run stuff. You have a lot of people willing to help out and run stuff, we give out our TS to those we run with, to make it easier to give instruction and sharing info on instances. We do not try to recruit from other guilds, why? because they have their own guild, their own identities and friends. Too many are lured to other guilds because they could help them run the higher stuff blablabla, well you can do the same in PUGs and have fun. The more guilds, the more fun for everyone and more guilds in siege!!!

This is a game and it's not about controlling every aspect of it, it doesn't work, HAVE FUN!!!!!

If you accept a 3 1/2 times (250 %) increase on one item which they froze the players out on, then what won't you accept? And really, it was a pretty basic sell item in the past, with a pretty standard price. This is what companies do. If enough players accept that, than they move on to the next item. Using the same principle they used here, an item not always sold in IS, random attribute extractors or extractors of all types could be the next victim. Say 135 diamonds for the random attribute and 345 diamonds for the attribute purifying stone. If you accept that, than they move on to the next item. Maybe ABLs. And eventually, they raise the cost of every single item in the game if you let them.

And there is no reason for discriminating against players of any kind, which is very apparent in these forums. It's ridiculous. You should have read the words of your guildmate better, Matronmalice. People should not care what a player is, only that he plays. This game needs players of all types. All types. Legit players that is.

And gameforge has made a huge mistake in these forums. For the most part, people do not mind people complaining. In some ways, it makes them feel better because they feel at least some of their own concerns are being voiced. When they see players denigrated for simply choosing different playstyles, they think, wow, this game is full of elitists. And the loudest voice in these forums without knowing it himself has become the biggest active pusher away for players of all types from actually playing the game.

And it is not a privilege to be allowed to play this game. The company is privileged that anyone chooses to play. And too many people have gotten the client/provider relationship backwards. That does not mean you treat the company poorly, but realize, they are beholden to you. Not the other way around.

I am only going to comment on the how companies determine price.

You aren't quite correct there. Check your Satellite/cable TV prices. Ever February... get ready for a price increase. ALL of the companies do that. Why cause the companies selling the programming to these providers, upped their price. Therefor the companies like Cox/Direct/Dish all (as middle men) increase their price. Gas companies, other utilities.... they don't determine a standard price and stick with it. Beer, food, anything transported on Tractor Trailer... as gas prices go up... so does their prices. The don't determine a standard price to sell and then keep it there.

In just about everything there is inflation. Diamond to gold rate inflation, food price inflation, etc. Personally +16s being a little more expensive is fine with me. After all if they keep doing a 140/120% sales... heck yeah.. Here is the math since you brought up past sales.

Zid, my new best friend, was right they were 149 diamonds for 5. So now with 69 diamonds a piece they are 345 diamonds for 5 cause they don't have bundles of them. But they do for the weapon gems! The weapon gems were 199 for 5, now they are 699 for10. Now those old prices we almost NEVER saw 120/140% sales... let alone this often, so at 140%, that is 40% more diamonds we are getting. So lets look

699 for 10 weapon gems (lets not forget these work on 81+ items, old ones didn't) at 140% diamonds.
398 for 10 weapons gems (that would only do up to 80) at 100% double diamonds

you spend 50 bucks on diamonds (lets ignore the paypal bonus diamonds) 140% you get: 3276
you spend 50 bucks on diamonds at 100% bonus you get: 2730

ok so if you spend all your diamonds on the new pack: you can get 40 weapon plussers with 480 diamonds left that you could buy 6 singles, 46 weapon plussers
if you spend all the diamonds at 100% bonus on weapon plussers you get 65 weapon plussers with 143 diamonds left.

so we are looking at 46 vs 65. Yes they are more expensive even at this (and I do think they should have put 10 packs of the others up at a discount), but we aren't talking anywhere near paying 250% the price...... Even at the 150 for 5 that was 30 a piece, now 70... even THAT isn't 250%. That is if you DONT take the better diamonds sale into account. Now I know you are thinking how much it costs you probably for IG gold to get it, cause you need more diamonds and the bonus of 140% diamonds doesn't filter to you. But to the paying community it isn't that bad.

just sayin. Lets not forget the fact of, "how often did we get a dia sale AND +16s at the same time... not all the often, and when we did most of the time they were 100% or under.

However, I will agree there are a lot of elitists that as you put, "When they see players denigrated for simply choosing different playstyles, they think, wow, this game is full of elitists." that includes Elitists on BOTH sides of the P2P and F2P line. As a diamond buyer, the attitudes of some of the "elite" F2P players on these forums have pushed paying players *I* know away from the game. So in those cases we have lost a player AND a paying player.

This is why I say.. STOP PUSHING YOUR OWN AGENDA. That is to the F2P players that wanna have it all their way so they don't have to pay... EVER. That is also to the P2P players that think it shouldn't be F2P. If everyone has missed my points ill make them easy: F2P isn't a problem, it is a problem when EVERYONE wants to be F2P because it is more attractive to be a F2P than it is to be a P2P. When F2P players consist of 75% the leader boards, and P2P players see that all their money goes to waste..... THEY LEAVE. Then who will pay for the servers? Not those 75% that like being at the top without spending.

So when I see 15 posts from F2P players all crying and whining about how the system should still be easy (key word EASY)for them to maintain their status without spending money.. Yes it irks me. Especially when they make Thread after thread after thread after thread... saying the same thing... PLEASE MAKE IT EASIER FOR ME NOT TO SPEND MONEY!!! Then when they threaten the P2P players with leaving and call them names. After all if we don't buy the diamonds you cant buy them from us.

So sorry for the wall of text buy I am sick and tired of people accusing P2P players of being the only ones pushing players away. I am tired of getting called names cause I don't think the non-paying % of the community shouldnt have more say on the game then the paying players. I get tired of the forums being mostly voices of F2P players (it has gotten better though). I remember when posts used to come up with gear prices being too high (back when dias were 40k a piece) and these F2P players said "if you don't like it don't buy it". Now we P2P players turn that around on them with diamonds... and they what? Don't take their own words... THAT is elitist.

Sorry again for the rant. However, you know what it is people that i explained above that drives people away too. You only state the people YOU know of that have gotten pushed away. If it is who I think of you are talking about, he hasn't pushed away ONE player I know of, in fact for most of the people I know... he is a breath of fresh air.

Quoted from "Dkjester"

so by your example there... There is no possibility that 95% of the people that have left were F2P and never spent money and some people started paying more or some people finally put some money in?

No. There is equal possibility that the players left may be F2P or P2P, because there is little we can observe about how many players left are F2P and how many players left are P2P.

I won't say it is impossible that by raising prices on these sales, GF is actually making more people happy and making more money, but that assumptions contradicts many observations (mentioned above), and requires more assumptions that we did not observe (ex. people buying them en masse after raised price despite complaining that this game is too expensive already).

Therefore, it is less likely (not impossible), but more "far fetched".

While I cannot verify, I believe the armor and accessory gems were 99 for 5 and the weapon might have been 149 for 5. I was trying to think if that one was 129 or 149, and again no verification.

It's true. The 10 pack weapon gems is less of a price increase. But it's still a very significant increase. And if you have bad luck you might have to buy 2 of them compared to 3 of the old 5 packs. As for diamond sales, ultimately it will make no difference. True, you have 9% more diamonds from this sale than 120% sale or 20% more diamonds compared to 100% sale. If this becomes the standard price, then whatever sale happens in the future is what you will have to pay for them. The semirecent drought of sales was not really the norm, and again, that was this company doing it. I think most can remember a time when they had so many diamond sales that some people actually admitted getting tired of seeing them.

Players should be united against these price increases, and like Ruisen said, if you were actually petitioning against +16 gems because of the cost, then why are you now buying them at an increased cost.

Well those were for the level 80 one and the 82 were more expensive. I have bought like 4K worth of gashas and i got a ratio of 2 plussing jewels per 3 open so ya Gashas not gotchas for me so ty and a bunch of charges too whoop whoop T13 weapon will be next!!!!!!

These gems in my opinion should be removed from the game, make +12 the norme and let people do hardmode with 12 people and no more 6 man them. Make people be obliged to run hardmode with the intent of working together ;-). More pewpew less QQ.

Prices will go up, no matter if we want or not, economy in real life is crappy, costs are going up everywhere so it will happen here too. They probably got a raise on the server supplier they are using so they transfer the costs to the paying customer as in any other business.

Quoted from "zidlef"

I have bought like 4K worth of gashas

No wonder they keep selling gashas... -_-
People complain about how much they hate gambling with gashas to get a chance to gamble with jewels, and then go online to buy tons of them...

that is what I am saying. The ones complaining about stuff is the forum going population and may not accurately show the entire populations belief on the subject.

I mean that response you just had there proves exactly what I have been saying. YOU and I don't know how many people are buying these things. We know it is not the Forum going population is not the game community. Just because 90% of the people that post here say it is bad... does NOT meant people aren't buying it.


That is the point I have been making.


Now as for the gashas, I bought them for many reasons 1) charges are never bad, 2) Free big angel sighs/DRT/phoenix/redemptions woohoo 3) possible plussing gems. All for the price of the charges. Not to mention not a bad deal if you get the charges and the other stuff.

So again, just cause the people YOU know are leaving, the people YOU know aren't buying the gashas, the people YOU know aren't buying diamonds.... does NOT mean that these things are true for the entire population. Just like I was saying.

Lul to ppl like Dkjester.

I just have to laugh at his posts. They are way too long to comment, so I will just focus on a small part of them.

In the past we used to have 5 for 99 and 5 for 149. So please get the proper information before you start to do the math .

You are quite right in the part claiming that the old promos were not accompanied by 100,120, nor 140% dia promos. Simply because we used to have 150,180,200% dia promos. Not to mention those wuhuuu 300% dia promos in the good old days. I don't have any problems to pay for the game, but I really don't like the way players have been treated during last 6 months.

Quoted from "zidlef"

These gems in my opinion should be removed from the game, make +12 the norme and let people do hardmode with 12 people and no more 6 man them. Make people be obliged to run hardmode with the intent of working together ;-). More pewpew less QQ.

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Quoted from "zidlef"

Prices will go up, no matter if we want or not, economy in real life is crappy, costs are going up everywhere so it will happen here too. They probably got a raise on the server supplier they are using so they transfer the costs to the paying customer as in any other business.

If anything their server costs have gone down due to the tiny playerbase left, theres maybe what 200 active players max on reni and art
? the game's population is tiny, this is the reason for the price jacks if anything, less players, less damond buyers, no its not just f2p's quitting, everyone is going.

Quoted from "Dkjester"

I mean that response you just had there proves exactly what I have been saying. YOU and I don't know how many people are buying these things. We know it is not the Forum going population is not the game community. Just because 90% of the people that post here say it is bad... does NOT meant people aren't buying it.

We know less people are buying because there are less players, thats not disputable. I'd argue more paying players have quit than f2p as well based on diamond circulation which directly correlates to that population, saying that well maybe people arn't selling their diamonds anymore is not an argument, its tied directly to the number of players buying, period.

Quoted from "Dkjester"

So again, just cause the people YOU know are leaving, the people YOU know aren't buying the gashas, the people YOU know aren't buying diamonds.... does NOT mean that these things are true for the entire population. Just like I was saying.

Of course its true for the population as a whole, open your eyes, the playerbase is gone, you really don't need numbers to see this and they would never release those numbers for the same reason.

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Quoted from "zidlef"

Well those were for the level 80 one and the 82 were more expensive. I have bought like 4K worth of gashas and i got a ratio of 2 plussing jewels per 3 open so ya Gashas not gotchas for me so ty and a bunch of charges too whoop whoop T13 weapon will be next!!!!!!

These gems in my opinion should be removed from the game, make +12 the norme and let people do hardmode with 12 people and no more 6 man them. Make people be obliged to run hardmode with the intent of working together ;-). More pewpew less QQ.

Prices will go up, no matter if we want or not, economy in real life is crappy, costs are going up everywhere so it will happen here too. They probably got a raise on the server supplier they are using so they transfer the costs to the paying customer as in any other business.

You're always advocating the removal of +13-16 jewels, and then you openly admit to spending 4k diamonds on gashas FOR +13-16 jewels.



Your "opinions" lack warranty when you do the things you think shouldnt be done.



But smoke 'em if you got 'em right?

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BTW Acypcar i am making a +13 weapon for when the next zone comes out and also a few more T10 to sell for gold so i bought them for the charges mainly, the rest is gravyyyyy...

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Keep it on-topic people!

Quoted from "zidlef"

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BTW Acypcar i am making a +13 weapon for when the next zone comes out and also a few more T10 to sell for gold so i bought them for the charges mainly, the rest is gravyyyyy...

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If you bought mainly for charges, why not wait for them to be half price when they put them on sale/happy hour?