Runes of Magic US / AU

Well Dk,

GF has been running a lot of diamonds sales that are over 100% so in that respect they are offering more diamonds for our money ( so they have listened to that ).
Thou it seems to me is they offer us more diamonds but have set up their prices to reflect their sale prices.

I just don't really think Gameforge is doing anything to run players away, they are not going to give the game away.

If you reflect back over the last 6 to 7 months Gameforge has done an excellent job at squashing bugs, getting the Festivals to run smoothly, and making attempts at ridding the game of Gold Sellers/Botters.

They have been asking us what we want in the Diamond shop, and in game, and those items are showing up maybe not at the level of access some players would like but they are showing up.

We have had GMs active, not only on forums but also in game ( was not too long ago GMs showed up on servers to complete broken quests for the player base ).

One of the biggest discrepancies I feel exists is in a balance between Challenge for the hardcore and the casuals, for instance I doubt the top end geared players have found much challenge in the last few instances, yet the casuals are struggling to beat easy modes. I think this is a major reason we are seeing them sorta change how they are selling power( Plussing Gems ). Just like they used to sell Plus 16 gems in a stack of 5 for the price they are now charging for a single Gem....the price would not bother me if the fail rate was not so high.

Another point on how they are attempting to balance costs of the game.....For example the Purified Fusion Stones used to cost 39 diamonds and have been reduced to 19 diamonds now ( not on a sale ), but they have brought out an item called Random Attribute Extractors, which are 39 diamonds now, to pull stats off gear with.Results in the cost of 58 diamonds to get a stat ( hence the inflation over stats )... so this change makes easy mode more expensive to stat vs running hard modes. Hard mode costs I would assume ( I do not run Hard Modes so just speculation ) come in the form of gear repair/supplies to run them and beat them. Just stating this for example of how they have made changes to try and appease all flavors of players, but this is a difficult task.

Quoted from "Dkjester"

Personally I don't know many other solutions. But I am all for more diamonds for your buck... why cause maybe then more will spend money, GF will make more money, servers will continue on. I just cant say 100% that it will benefit new F2P players or even your casual F2P players as much as people would like to think it will.

Ideally, imo, a large population that could run normal mode of all instances (and normal mode with worthwhile drops), and a smaller population of 6-7 guilds that can do hardmode should solve that problem. But as it stands, normal mode drops are just completely worthless, and fewer guilds dare venture into HM unless its Beth.

I have nothing I can disagree with in either of your posts.

Rui, yeah I have suggested that type of a idea a few times, which has been largely shot down by certain parts of the population (No not BB he seems to have agreed and had a great PoM suggestion). I just gave up on it, cause every time I suggest better gear dropping in easy/normal, we usually get a "Then why should we run hard!!?!?!" response from some. I always said maybe same gear but less drops, or better chance of OD in hard mode.

But yes if the instances were more accessible, more attractive to run on easy/norm it would drive more players to stay and a great thing to look forward to new players. That is why I have suggested Easy mode should be doable by a group of level cap, quest gear players. Cause give em the "bug" on running instances.

I also agree all those suggestions are NOT in GF's court. It is definitely in RW's court, and very limited in control by GF. And I do think they are doing a VASTLY better job in the last year than we have had for a while.

And also emphatically yes, as I have said in other posts.... there is too big of a gap between the extreme and casual. Problem being, how do you make hard mode instances still worth it, fun, challenging, while not killing the casual players chance.

Just came up with one idea that easy instances should be made different to require maybe less strategy than normal, and again less than hard. Make hard mode have all asepcts of the strats while normal has half... and easy almost none to none? I mean yeah more programming for RW, but the "take the same instance, just adjust defense/attack values" strategy for RW instance design has not been working, or they haven't been altering stats to accommodate their player base.

The gear that drops in Hardmode should still remain to be the best gear, but the drops in normal needs to be significantly improved as well, because it just sucks, and there needs to be better stat drops.

And agreed with normal having fewer strats than hard. Simple strats like they've had in Beth where you see black orbs on the ground, you move away, that should be the strats you see in normal. I don't think they need to go out of their way to modify the strats though - just tone down the damage such that, on hard, not doing strats will wipe the party. But on normal, if you didn't do strat or screwed up the strat, you take some damage, and if healer didn't get to you you'd die, but not to the extent that it wipes the party instantly.

Well DK, Ruisen, Kakita, my hat is off to you people ;-) now this is what i call a conversation, well put, intelligent, agreeing and disagreeing in a nice way. This is how the forums should be used. I am proud to see that all 3 of you have great points of vue on these matters and i am impressed with the civility you people made it comprehensible to all.

These few posts should go directly to the sales department for a huge BRAINSTORM!!

I think you have great ideas on how to help the community as a whole, great job guys and gals, keep it up, i will keep on reading this

IMO, if dias were cheaper to get IRL, u'd see more circulating around the economy, as well as more gear(less cost to mod, cheaper to regear)...

Well i bought diamonds for 25K per on Reni. Just needed a few RAE's, but i felt bad and know this person on the server for quite a while and paid her 75K per for them. You can find good people selling diamonds, just all depends how you interact with them.

Diamonds are cheap to buy since we always get double diamond these days, how much cheaper do you want them? 10X more diamonds? loll, people are never happy no matter what sale we get. oh wait free to play, so maybe we should all get free diamonds!!!

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Lol Moonlight i think you scared them.
I gotta say this whole ftp vs ptp threads are never gonna stay open.i have been on both side of this and from my view on reni i saw gear prices jump dramatically when abls were removed from the cash shop.i said it then and i say it again if you dont like prices dont buy. Its all about supply and demand.if things dont sell on ah then price will most likely get lowered.

i will say this again, if nobody wants to pay, nobody will buy. and thus, we have arrived at the chief reason for people not buying(quitting or going f2p)

I hope people have gotten past thinking I have anything against F2P players....


I just wanna find something that works for F2P and P2P....


F2Win players I am ok with burning in flames if they aren't willing to spend a buttload of time.

Quoted from "Dkjester"

I just wanna find something that works for F2P and P2P....

agreed, and my proposed solution hasn't changed. either make the game cheaper as a whole or make f2p-average easier(less stuff you need to spend irl money on if u play regularly, thus, game indirectly becomes cheaper to play)...

yeah definitely I wouldn't mind getting more for my buck...

I really think our biggest hurdle is RW though.

I think GF might be willing.. but maybe they have to pay more to RW... you know for fixes and stuff


I don't know the business situation they are in... but I know something has gotta be there stopping them.

In regards to "normal mode drops being useless" ...

I have thus far got (from grotto normal mode) stam/hp, stam/matk, hp/mat, patk/hp, stam/hp, stam/def, hp/def, stam/str, str/hp from normal mode. While some of those stats are more usable then others, some class can make use of them, and they can be used to make a decent set of gear considering they come from normal mode (from all bosses, not just the last). The drop rates of "usable" stats is also much higher then that of beth normal...far fewer dex/hp. lol

Yeah sure, aside form stam/hp, stam/def and stam/str, none of those stats are considered "the best" for any class except for maybe a dps d/r, but again its normal mode. The stats are pretty good imo and drop quite frequently. With a good group you can get a decent horror stat farm going.

Quoted from "BlankMinded"

In regards to "normal mode drops being useless" ...

I have thus far got (from grotto normal mode) stam/hp, stam/matk, hp/mat, patk/hp, stam/hp, stam/def, hp/def, stam/str, str/hp from normal mode. While some of those stats are more usable then others, some class can make use of them, and they can be used to make a decent set of gear considering they come from normal mode (from all bosses, not just the last). The drop rates of "usable" stats is also much higher then that of beth normal...far fewer dex/hp. lol

Yeah sure, aside form stam/hp, stam/def and stam/str, none of those stats are considered "the best" for any class except for maybe a dps d/r, but again its normal mode. The stats are pretty good imo and drop quite frequently. With a good group you can get a decent horror stat farm going.

The problem I have with normal mode gear is that a lot of it has Magic accuracy, and almost none of it has crit. Even shell gear is better almost any gear that drops in normal, at least for mages.

And the only thing I ever see in normal mode is weird frakenstein stats like Dex/Wis or Dex/Matk lol. Even the stats you listed are not particularly attractive for farming normal mode, aside from going in there for the fun and giggles. You can't even stat half a piece of gear from normal mode stats. Imo, its just not rewarding enough.

Rui it is just plain not as good for mages. How many pieces of gear have crit and ma.attk on them? The boots.... Crafted 85 pants/pom pants. PoM shoulders... Quest cape, or PoM cape. When leather you got normal mode LIndworm helm, Easy mode lindworm chest, Easy mode shoulders. Hard mode boots, I think normal boots. Level 80 crafted gloves, and I think there are pants with both.


At least all the quest gear you can get crit/attack on both mages/melees.

I always have trouble balancing my mages crit/attack around

Quoted from "Cike"

Quoted from "Dkjester"

I just wanna find something that works for F2P and P2P....

agreed, and my proposed solution hasn't changed. either make the game cheaper as a whole or make f2p-average easier(less stuff you need to spend irl money on if u play regularly, thus, game indirectly becomes cheaper to play)...

The potential problem I see is that upgrades are essentially limitless. If everything becomes cheaper, it is quite possible that "the norm" becomes tier 10ing all gear with t15 main weapons. Then the developers end up designing the new instances with that gear lv in mind, because you'll have the endgamers complaining that the game is now too easy and want to leave.

The game was at it's cheapest when the playerbase was running everything in dirty stated gear not tiering weapons 5-6 lvs above the base. Basically what I'm saying is that us pushing the limits forced the game to get more expensive and I don't see that part changing regardless.

agreed quaffy, and there will always be that group that is bored with endgame content the day it comes out(too easy, etc...). there just needs to be a way to reduce the cost of the game to a more reasonable price(both time and/or money). it would really not be in GF's best interests to cap tiering, statting, etc..., but the current model will not work forever(imo, it's already begun the self-destruction cycle). GF/RW can either make the select few that pay thousands of dollars happy, or they can make the masses that only spend a couple of dollars happy. right now, they are leaning towards those big spenders, but at the same time, it is driving the rest of the population away. if they tried to appeal to the masses, i feel alot of the big spenders would leave then.


GF/RW is in a catch-22 right now, as the design of the game really does not limit the amount of money you can spend on character improvement, yet at the same time, the game caters to those people who are, and strive for, as good(OP) as they can make their characters...and thus, the standard is ever increasing, and the elite few get more elite(and the real cost of the gear increases, whether they pay it or not), and the ones behind get further behind and eventually usually quit.

As an endgame player, I think they should continue with the Beth, Belathis, Grotto cycle. Release an instance 12 good players can do. Then A super hard instance like bethathis for the people that like the challenge. Back to Grotto which may be too easy but still follows a pattern. Grotto needs like 1 more good strat boss to negate the burn. That instance will be the fastest current HM clear on most servers once you get the flow down.

Big surprise, they take care of customers who spend money on the game, shocker alert, lol. The game is made for a level cap of 200 as of now, so i wouldn't worry too much about it. As some say the endgamers find it too easy to clear the new instances and blablabla, well then the price of gear should come down too? no? ah nah we can't have that, then everyone as a chance of getting endgame and that would mess up their control of the market as to where they wouldn't be able to get diamonds for virtual gold.

Also if the content is too easy, how many guilds or people have completed the Chaos Vortex?? oh yes true they will argue it is too hard and the rewards are not that good LMAO. Well accomplishment is a way of sucess too, not just the amount of gold you can squeeze out of non-endgamers.

We have had 30 plus people join us in the last 2 weeks, old players returning from those suppose to be games that were the next big thing loll. Also players that join us want to enjoy the game and learn to play it, do instances as intended, geting set skills, doing strategies, not exploits, hacks etc. ( like those who fly through the floating tiles in Bethomia, because they can't play super mario, lol).

It's funny how a few people have only negative things to say about the game, complain and complain and complain. Maybe instead of passing their time doing that on the forums, they should try to actually play the game as it was intended.

Yes the lag sucks sometimes, rubber banding in siege is no fun but that is 1 hour a day, so who cares. All the improvements made by Runewaker, Gameforge to get us a better game, better support, better communication and less bugs is working out very well. Yes Frogster had better promos, they didn't have a choice, bunch of kids not doing their jobs and pilling up support tickets and not giving a damn, so look shinny things. Gameforge lays it on the line and passes on the info when they have it. Gameforge is not perfect but it is a hell of an improvement of what we had before.

So instead of trying to create mass hysteria and driving people away that might look up the forums for info on the game, spend more time playing it than talking crap about it, the game is awesome and fine, not perfect but nothing truly is. Except Kalvan and Beren, don't hurt me ;-)

F2W and P2W are the main problem in this game, no matter how we look at it. It's a game enjoy it and play it