Runes of Magic US / AU

Zid your language is hard enough to understand plz dont turn into a pirate as well XD

Quoted from "aardvark3"

Auction house has been pretty empty for everything since they stopped selling diamonds in the Auction House. Far less of all items at any price. Items I put in the Auction house don't sell anymore, even went to the history and offered the items at half the lowest prices they ever sold for and still couldn't sell anything. Where there were pages of high level gear now 1 or 2 pieces at either absurdly high prices or almost free they still don't sell. Done lots of farming have plenty of gold and goods but can't get any diamonds to buy anything. It just may not be worth making the effort anymore.
The poor economy that was there when there were diamonds in the Auction House has totally collapsed and now there is no economy at all. Time to turn out the lights.

I think it effects everyone differently. I mean, if you ask Zid, he'll tell you the economy on reni is booming lol.

Reni's economy is fine, people are starting to realize t ostop buying the latest stat, latest gear, go with what you can afford and easily get. Don't give in to what endgamers will tell you what you should have, try to play to have fun. BTW mem gear in the new zone is equal on par with the crafted gear, exactly the same, so why pay 80M for it?? that is just ridiculous. Pics to follow later






So as you can see exact same green stats, pdef, mdef etc. So before trying 10 times for 1000 mems plus to hope to get an OD piece, try to get a crafted one loll, will be less time extensive and less frustration. Use your mems for other things.

If someone can post the POM and hardmode one and see how small an increment you gain even versus the crafted gear, tyvm

Right now there are pieces of gear I would pay 100 mil plus on art for lol


I just wont tell people that..



yet

Once gain, Zid, yer lack o understandin amazes me. One gear hast wisdom, one hast crit. How can yer say they be the same? Me knoweth which me twould pick.

It doesn't matter if the gear from the instances is the same as the crafted gear if it isn't in the Auction House it is not part of the economy. If people can't get the diamonds to update it because diamonds aren't in the Auction House it doesn't matter what the stats on the gear are. If small groups can get and craft gear for themselves it is great for them but bad for the server as a whole.
It is great to see pictures of the gear here but I would much rather see the gear in the Auction House so it can be purchased. But it isn't. Could be because no FTP player who has it can get diamonds to purchase the ABLs in the Cash Shop because the Auction House has stopped selling them. Even if they buy the gear they can't up grade it. Because no diamonds in the Auction House again.

As far as Reni goes, there does seem to be less stats in the AH and less gear as well, but that may be in part to people actually running things. I know that now that I am pretty well statted for the most part to be a tank, I am dragging people into GoH so they can get stats too. I can almost solo first boss on easy, so with another good DPS we can burn him down with no problem. So I can get 4 other undergeared people in there with me to give them a chance to get stats they otherwise would have had to purchase from the AH but no longer need to buy. I've been running it like this for a few days now. My plan ultimately is to get a group of people statted and get them to know the strats so they can in turn be able to take other people with them, and create a couple of groups like this within Disturbed and then work on the guilds we associate with, and eventually sell to the server at a much reduced price. This fixes two problems at once, it not only helps people get statted who otherwise wouldn't be able to do so as quickly, and it helps bring down the price of stats thus leveling out the economy on Reni.

Quoted from "Lemonater"

Once gain, Zid, yer lack o understandin amazes me. One gear hast wisdom, one hast crit. How can yer say they be the same? Me knoweth which me twould pick.

Well Lemon, to me having 85% crit on heals doesn't serve our healers perpice, having a bigger mana pool does. Since only 2 or 3 guilds can burn bosses without doing strats or do the mechanics, for smaller guilds, we need a healer who doesn't run out of mana while healing. While we do the strat to try to clear it, a healer with no mana = dead group.For heals, 75% crit against 85% crit not a big difference to smaller guilds doing instances.

For players who complain gear is not available, well, it is and you can do fine with a little less crit in PvE than in PvP. There are plenty of pieces on AH of the level 80/82/85 crafted gear for any class.

8500 mana pré level 75 might have been good enough, but for those who do not burn bosses , it is not for our healers.

It all depends how you play, wanna be F2P and be endgame, you better farm the crap out of something since you do not want to get your hand in your pocket for diamonds. Just having the GM's taking out botters all over the game is awesome. Too many got away with it for years and think they are above everything, well now they are not anymore.

Diamonds not on AH is a good thing, nobody can make billions of gold manipulating them anymore. As to why you see so many F2P ask for them in world and have to pay full price on them. The tide is changing, the future is bright and cooperation will be the key.

Lemon not trying for you to give me the plank, just my opinion ;-)

if you play healer, and have mana issues, I don't think you are really playing...let's say as effectively...as you can.

heal smart, not blanket

while crafted gear may appear decent, even going with the next instance(or 2) lower would probably be better, as it has the important ghost stats that you don't get crafted, just in lower values than the current BiS...

as to mem pulls: a crap ton of mems for a horrid dura piece of gear with a fail stat...I'll take my chances in the instance...

now that dias are out of the AH, can we have Cedric back?

the problem people are struggling with is the cost to mod gear. if a set of gear cost like 20 USD to make, you'd see more progression groups, people regearing every 5 levels as they level, etc...when a set of gear costs hundreds just in the IS mods, people say "eh, I'll just wait until I can get the best available, then use that". then they see the price to actually get the best, and quit. the price of the game is essentially the game shooting itself in the foot.

it's not just a f2p problem either. many people were big spenders and quit as well. even more just went f2p. tbh, I think the f2p are the ones that have stuck around through the most crap, as they are not the ones seeing 0 RoI for their hard earned cash in the game. they just see a buggy game...but hey, it's free.


call me negative all you want, but it still does not change the fact that the server populations have been decreasing since ch4...and the people that quit are usually the best people to get feedback from(they quit for a reason)...on a related note, I was surprised palenque could fill up 1.5 raid groups...I was not at all surprised as to what it was reduced to by the end

also, the EU forum people make me sound like Mr. Sunshine von Lollipops by comparison

Quoted from "zidlef"

Well Lemon, to me having 85% crit on heals doesn't serve our healers perpice, having a bigger mana pool does. Since only 2 or 3 guilds can burn bosses without doing strats or do the mechanics, for smaller guilds, we need a healer who doesn't run out of mana while healing. While we do the strat to try to clear it, a healer with no mana = dead group.For heals, 75% crit against 85% crit not a big difference to smaller guilds doing instances.

For players who complain gear is not available, well, it is and you can do fine with a little less crit in PvE than in PvP. There are plenty of pieces on AH of the level 80/82/85 crafted gear for any class.

8500 mana pré level 75 might have been good enough, but for those who do not burn bosses , it is not for our healers.

Um... why is your healer running out of mana? Even in a long fight, they shouldn't run out of mana. Unless they're spamming GH and nothing else... than no amount of mana will be enough, because GH spam is designed to drain your mana to stop you from doing it.

With druid buffs, I get to 50k mana on my mage, and he has no wisdom. And your have free phirius pots from gobs, which should top up your mana for enough time for the CD on it to end.

plus, there have been multiple threads on the effect of crit in pve...in short, for physical DPS, crit is king(aside from damage). I will not go into specifics, but just ask some of the endgame rogues around here, and they will tell you the same.

Quoted from "Cike"

the problem people are struggling with is the cost to mod gear. if a set of gear cost like 20 USD to make, you'd see more progression groups, people regearing every 5 levels as they level, etc...when a set of gear costs hundreds just in the IS mods, people say "eh, I'll just wait until I can get the best available, then use that". then they see the price to actually get the best, and quit. the price of the game is essentially the game shooting itself in the foot.

it's not just a f2p problem either. many people were big spenders and quit as well. even more just went f2p. tbh, I think the f2p are the ones that have stuck around through the most crap, as they are not the ones seeing 0 RoI for their hard earned cash in the game. they just see a buggy game...but hey, it's free.

This x 1,000 well said.

Anyone that isn't seeing a problem is just blowing rainbow kisses into a blackhole.

Still can't seem to get through to some people. No diamonds in the Auction House means the vast majority of players have no secure source of diamonds ever. No ability to build up a few diamonds for sales. Even if they were far over priced in the Auction House it didn't matter it was still possible to get them in a secure manner. I would rather pay triple the price of a secure diamond in the Auction House than try to get one from another player and risk a scam.
Now diamonds are no more. This also means that the FTP players are not buying diamonds from the PTP players so they aren't using them at the sales and Gameforge is selling far less diamonds . It has been a total lose lose situation.

I think it's even FURTHER hindering their sales for the few of us that still DO spend money on this game, when their sales are the same few revolving offers on a monthly basis. Or in the most recet case, the same basic sale was offered two weekends in a row. really the only difference was the addition of a ruby bonus and god's redemption tickets.

I still buy diamonds. Buy I haven't bought any in awhile because the sales just keep repeating and I don't need the same thing over and over again. For example with these cleaner sales they keep having. I have MORE than stocked up from the last half a dozen times its been offered in the past couple months.

Get a bit more creative with the sales GF:

1.) Offer costumes. No I don't want the same wing sales over and over again. I want actual outfits. You can start with the old ruby outfits you took out forever ago for no reason. And give us some other item shop outfits like the Fanersai Banquet outfits, etc.

2.) Offer +13 - 16 gems more frequently. At the rate gashas have been flying off the proverbial "shelf", I have given up hope of them ever being offered outside of gashas again. People keep complaining about them, yet they'll spend thousands and thousands of diamonds on the CHANCE to get them. No one seems to have any self control, and this game is a prime example of how gambling is a real addiction. However, if the sales team insists on keeping them in gashas, give us the gashas we had before. The transmutor charges gashas with the chance for plussing gems. The chance to get the gem was surprisingly high, and there wasn't too much room for complaint, when even if you didnt get a gem, you were still guaranteed 50 charges.

Furthermore, I would like to see PERFECT +13 - 16 plussing gems outside of gashas, but again, even in gashas, offer them in a way where we get them more frequently..has anyone gotten any perfect gems from this current "mystery bag" gasha sale? I know all the addicts who bought the gashas that I've asked havent. I am almost 100% certain that even at a higher price, people would be way more willing to pay for +13 - 16 gems both standard and perfect, if they knew they were FOR SURE getting the gem, and not just a CHANCE at them. I sure would.



These are of course my own personal opinions, and I know several people who share my views. But I for one have no need to spend money on diamonds for sales I've seen over and over and over again.

Quoted from "acypcar90"

2.) Offer +13 - 16 gems more frequently. At the rate gashas have been flying off the proverbial "shelf", I have given up hope of them ever being offered outside of gashas again. People keep complaining about them, yet they'll spend thousands and thousands of diamonds on the CHANCE to get them. No one seems to have any self control, and this game is a prime example of how gambling is a real addiction. However, if the sales team insists on keeping them in gashas, give us the gashas we had before. The transmutor charges gashas with the chance for plussing gems. The chance to get the gem was surprisingly high, and there wasn't too much room for complaint, when even if you didnt get a gem, you were still guaranteed 50 charges.

Furthermore, I would like to see PERFECT +13 - 16 plussing gems outside of gashas, but again, even in gashas, offer them in a way where we get them more frequently..has anyone gotten any perfect gems from this current "mystery bag" gasha sale? I know all the addicts who bought the gashas that I've asked havent. I am almost 100% certain that even at a higher price, people would be way more willing to pay for +13 - 16 gems both standard and perfect, if they knew they were FOR SURE getting the gem, and not just a CHANCE at them. I sure would.

no. no, no, no, no. the game will just keep getting more expensive if +16 becomes the norm again. except for rings, i am actually glad that +16 is a pita to get. imo, they are trying to make +12 the norm again, like we(at least me, and i know of a couple others) have been asking for a while.

plussing is already screwed in this game, as being one of the most expensive aspects of modding gear. +12 as norm is better in the long run(maybe they can adjust lvl 81+ rings such that +12 gives the former +16 values to crit damage).

limiting plussing also slightly reduces the gain from tiering, as the tiering bonus will not be as great as the ghost stats are less(plussing ghost stat is less when plussed to a lower number)...

Quoted from "Cike"

no. no, no, no, no. the game will just keep getting more expensive if +16 becomes the norm again. except for rings, i am actually glad that +16 is a pita to get. imo, they are trying to make +12 the norm again, like we(at least me, and i know of a couple others) have been asking for a while.

plussing is already screwed in this game, as being one of the most expensive aspects of modding gear. +12 as norm is better in the long run(maybe they can adjust lvl 81+ rings such that +12 gives the former +16 values to crit damage).

And what about rings, weapons and necklace? Its only 4 items, but if people have to sink in thousands of diamonds by gambling for a chance to gamble to +16 those 4 pieces, I don't see how it'll be any cheaper.

Also, this only means people who don't have +16 gear will be always behind people who do for the next 3-4 content releases at least. I'm all for +12 being the norm, but I don't see how withdrawing +16's could benefit. The damage is done, and I still think they should lower plussing prices until +16 costs the same as what +12 used to cost.

I think this could be safely done by leaving +16 prices at what it used to be: 99 dias for 5, but lowering +6 and +12 prices (and offering perfects of course) such that in total, the prices add up to the same. This way, those that bought +16's previously don't feel like they got ripped off. And I can't imagine any complaints for cheaper and easier +6's and +12's.

if they made +6 essentially free(sold the IS jewels for ingame gold), then adjusted the current +12 and +16 jewels to the former +6 and +12 values, i wouldn't be against +16 norm either(as it stands today). i do see your point about the haves and have nots though. however, this has been discussed to death in other threads...and we still haven't reached a solution every1 is happy with, and GF would be willing to implement...


maybe adjust lvl 81+ items to have +16 values at +12, and any plus beyond that has no extra benefit(people plussing currently plus less, and people with +16 currently do not lose anything). then sell the lvl 80 and below +16 in IS perm.

Quoted

I think this could be safely done by leaving +16 prices at what it used
to be: 99 dias for 5, but lowering +6 and +12 prices (and offering
perfects of course) such that in total, the prices add up to the same.
This way, those that bought +16's previously don't feel like they got
ripped off. And I can't imagine any complaints for cheaper and easier
+6's and +12's.

this is actually a very good idea ruisen(probably better than my previous ideas)...+1

Quoted from "Cike"

maybe adjust lvl 81+ items to have +16 values at +12, and any plus beyond that has no extra benefit(people plussing currently plus less, and people with +16 currently do not lose anything). then sell the lvl 80 and below +16 in IS perm.

My two objections to this would be
1) People who have +16 already would feel ripped off. And this game can't really afford to loose more legit players.

2) This accomplished basically the same thing, but takes more work because we have to get RW to actually code it. That's as hard as getting poop to develop intelligence lol, and you'd still have to hope they don't screw up. Whereas on the other hand, a simple adjustment of prices takes almost no coding and does the same thing.

Quoted from "ruisen2000"

Quoted from "Cike"

maybe adjust lvl 81+ items to have +16 values at +12, and any plus beyond that has no extra benefit(people plussing currently plus less, and people with +16 currently do not lose anything). then sell the lvl 80 and below +16 in IS perm.

My two objections to this would be
1) People who have +16 already would feel ripped off. And this game can't really afford to loose more legit players.

2) This accomplished basically the same thing, but takes more work because we have to get RW to actually code it. That's as hard as getting poop to develop intelligence lol, and you'd still have to hope they don't screw up. Whereas on the other hand, a simple adjustment of prices takes almost no coding and does the same thing.

like i said, u have a better idea right here:

Quoted from "ruisen2000"

I think this could be safely done by leaving +16 prices at what it used to be: 99 dias for 5, but lowering +6 and +12 prices (and offering perfects of course) such that in total, the prices add up to the same. This way, those that bought +16's previously don't feel like they got ripped off. And I can't imagine any complaints for cheaper and easier +6's and +12's

Well when someone talks about how not healing effectively,mmhh did you ever get a toon pass level 60? have you been to any hardmode instances and i mean not carried through? But true that we fight till the bitter end, till we kill a boss or we all die fighting, no macro for swapping gear because i will suffer duraloss, bouhouhou, breaking group because only the tank and healer are still alive HELL NO, well plenty of time this tank finished bosses by himself while the rogues were checking their scrutinizer, so sad to see that.

Diamonds out of AH means they sell them less?? do you have inside information about the revenues of Gameforge on Runes of Magic? Are you a GM? Advaark?

If you see less WTS diamonds in world than WTB, pretty simple, some people made it clearon Reni that we are not worth their time or respect, so why sell to them? This is a result of being disrespectful to people who DO spend money on the game, that DO support it for it to run, when you slap them in the face this is what you get : No Respect

I know of about 15 players on Reni that buy diamonds, that have 10K plus on their accounts, do not need to sell any of them, waiting for a good sale for themselves and their guildies. That is the power of the server, not gear at 100M a piece, people who work hard for their money deserve respect and can choose how to spend their diamonds.

Plussing jewels don't need to be adjusted for gear to be +12 but actually +16, either remove the +16 jewels completely and no adjustment, maybe raids will actually be 12 man not 4 or 5. If you can't afford the high end jewels, well, you can get a job and spend a little on the game. Plussing jewels at 5 for 99 for the +16 if a good price and getting the perfect for rubies permanent in IS would be awesome.

BTW Cike , Crit is good for rogues? really? WOW never tought of that one, tyvm for your wisdom. Since i never played that class and never will, i don't like pressing the same 3 buttons in a fight all the time, no imagination needed and they even find a way to use Dyice because they are too lazy, lol. You do know their are other classes than rogues? well sure scouts but we all know they are broken.

But it is true that there is only one way to stat, gear and do things,it's the way endgamers do, they are the only ones who know how, LMAO. Funny how 2 years ago a lot of people were saying : Why do you stat with PATK on your tank? what is wrong with you? and as today they all have 2 or 3 of them on every piece of gear, WOW i'm a clairvoyant

Many ways to do things in the game, many ways to stat, gear and have fun, the main thing for Disturbed = HAVING FUN!!! and helping others. We got a lady who got her mages to 85 yesterday, been working at it for 2 months, doing all her quests etc, i sent her a full set of OD gear 80/82/85 and a few Int/MATK to stat up and the best part was = FREE. just to show our appreciation and her dedication.

Respect goes a long way in life, not hiding behind a screen and keyboard and throwing tantrums of what you can't get.