Runes of Magic US / AU

So Rav or whoever you are, you say :

(granted they were p2w so this particular problem didnt affect me then).
whats your point. Im just saying that this slaps F2P players in the
face and says you have two choices. pay for the game or fail.

So since now you have become F2P it's not fair to you? really? ok one sec, ROFL!!!

People will just have to find a way to COOPERATE FOR EOJ'S to make it worth while doing them, i already found one i can do and finish 1st through 4th on 4 of my toons. Ya it will not happen within a few seconds on all 3 channels but i can still gather them. Instead of going for the easy Papp Hesof and being content with it, people should have looked for other ways to do EOJ's. We all knew it was broken or not working correctly and now it's fixed, deal with it. We were just lucky and Gameforge nice enough to let us do it for as long as it been going on.

We can all hope to get another easy one and i do not think that will happen so stop QQ'ing on things that will be and are from now on.

Quoted from "Darwec"

Most people wont have the time to spend the full 20 minutes to farm out the eoj stats. They will try a round and place low, only get a few eojs for lots of hard work and quit. These people may or may not be endgameers who get to go on runs. End gamers can try to sell or trade their endgame mode stats for eoj stats, but in this model eoj stats would be worth considerably more and be in a much shorter supply than instance stats. Finding a trade partner would be difficult. Mid game players would get the shaft from both eoj farmers and from End game dungeon runners. Also, nothing about the change prevents botters. Not a single thing. I will not discuss further, but nothing has changed that, and i request this clause be left in because it is an important distinction. Hard for players does not mean non-bot-able.

Uhm... also just throwing this out there, if someone doesn't have 20minutes to spend collecting some eojs... honestly, wtf are they doing on this game? How do you expect to get anything done on a game like this if you can't afford to do a few quests for 20minutes-1hour? As I already said, in one hour, without using the papp quest, I was able to get 1k eojs. That's 330 eojs in 20minutes. And once again, if you can't afford to spend 20minutes of time to do that in a day, just quit now.

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Quoted from "Darwec"

Most people wont have the time to spend the full 20 minutes to farm out the eoj stats. They will try a round and place low, only get a few eojs for lots of hard work and quit. These people may or may not be endgameers who get to go on runs. End gamers can try to sell or trade their endgame mode stats for eoj stats, but in this model eoj stats would be worth considerably more and be in a much shorter supply than instance stats. Finding a trade partner would be difficult. Mid game players would get the shaft from both eoj farmers and from End game dungeon runners. Also, nothing about the change prevents botters. Not a single thing. I will not discuss further, but nothing has changed that, and i request this clause be left in because it is an important distinction. Hard for players does not mean non-bot-able.

Uhm... also just throwing this out there, if someone doesn't have 20minutes to spend collecting some eojs... honestly, wtf are they doing on this game? How do you expect to get anything done on a game like this if you can't afford to do a few quests for 20minutes-1hour? As I already said, in one hour, without using the papp quest, I was able to get 1k eojs. That's 330 eojs in 20minutes. And once again, if you can't afford to spend 20minutes of time to do that in a day, just quit now.

for the record, 1 hour is 1/24th of your day. This game should not be a second full time job. And it is for me. I play it like it is, and it feels like it is.

You're arguments are flawed because just because YOU can do these things, does not mean that ANYONE ELSE does. No one even farms eojs seriously, which is directly reflected in the price of the stats. The problem is not the pap quest. The problem is the whole system. So far the only semi decently working systems we have had for acquiring stats were mems, which was removed, and phirus shells. Both Eojs and Poms are too player vs player competitive in even acquiring eoj's or poms for it to be a balanced system that helps the economy.

Your personal experiences and anecdotes of farming 1k eojs in one hour solo are invalid. That just means you are the person who can do the price fixing so you dont mind the current situation. In fact, pap was detrimental to your ability to make money.

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People will just have to find a way to COOPERATE FOR EOJ'S to make it worth while doing them, i already found one i can do and finish 1st through 4th on 4 of my toons. Ya it will not happen within a few seconds on all 3 channels but i can still gather them. Instead of going for the easy Papp Hesof and being content with it, people should have looked for other ways to do EOJ's. We all knew it was broken or not working correctly and now it's fixed, deal with it. We were just lucky and Gameforge nice enough to let us do it for as long as it been going on.

We can all hope to get another easy one and i do not think that will happen so stop QQ'ing on things that will be and are from now on.

the same message goes for you zid, given that you get rewards on all your alts, blocking out all other players entierly.

The point i am trying to make is the current system (even with the pap eoj farm) benefits a small few players. The system on the whole needs to be revamped to help everyone.

Im just saying that if i wish to spend 5-10 minutes, every 20 minutes non-stop, for 16 hours in order to go have a chance at getting 5-7 stat to put on my gears when I get them so i can run endgame instances for free i should be able to. Now if there is another set of quests that allow me to do EXACTLY what I just wrote then i could give a hoot less if papp was fixed or not. I just want the ability to work for my stats and not have to wait and see if someone post the things in ah. If you dont like that concept then move along trolls. I've got the drive to do it and the time to do it. what i am seeming to lack is the option.

Quoted from "Darwec"

You're arguments are flawed because just because YOU can do these things, does not mean that ANYONE ELSE does. No one even farms eojs seriously, which is directly reflected in the price of the stats. The problem is not the pap quest. The problem is the whole system. So far the only semi decently working systems we have had for acquiring stats were mems, which was removed, and phirus shells. Both Eojs and Poms are too player vs player competitive in even acquiring eoj's or poms for it to be a balanced system that helps the economy.

Quoted from "Darwec"

Your personal experiences and anecdotes of farming 1k eojs in one hour solo are invalid. That just means you are the person who can do the price fixing so you dont mind the current situation. In fact, pap was detrimental to your ability to make money.

Your whole argument is 'invalid'. And since anytime anyone provides you with further explanation, there opinion, and the only reply you can ever state is 'your opinion is invalid', I will just go on to only say that, if you are too lazy to get stats for yourself because it's no fun for you, that is your loss.

I don't understand your argument Darwic, I work a full time job and that's why i play ROM. Cause its pay to win or free to work hard. Your playing the wrong type of MMO with your mindset. that you should put no time or money into it and have everything u ever want.

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Im just saying that if i wish to spend 5-10 minutes, every 20 minutes non-stop

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I just want the ability to work for my stats

15-30min an hour doesn't quite seem like "working for stats". At least not for me. You wouldn't go afk halfway in an instance run and expect full loot would you? If you farm for 16 hours, there should be 16 hours worth of work -- the chances of success when gambling on stat pulls should be changed imo -- but working for 30min and getting paid for an hour doesn't seem like effort to me.

Quoted from "Rav"

Im just saying that if i wish to spend 5-10 minutes, every 20 minutes non-stop, for 16 hours in order to go have a chance at getting 5-7 stat to put on my gears when I get them so i can run endgame instances for free i should be able to. Now if there is another set of quests that allow me to do EXACTLY what I just wrote then i could give a hoot less if papp was fixed or not. I just want the ability to work for my stats and not have to wait and see if someone post the things in ah. If you dont like that concept then move along trolls. I've got the drive to do it and the time to do it. what i am seeming to lack is the option.

As mentioned earlier, there are other quests that you can do this. I will not go through them with you as really eojs can be a competition among servers, and its the clever that win the most eojs. But I do recommend you do some looking around zones, and you can see for yourself that there are still many quests you are able to be just as efficient on as you could be doing the Papp's quest. All this fixed was botting problems of people gaining eojs at papps while afk, so I thank RoM for fixing that. (Xamd mentioned earlier on this thread a quests called "Killer in the midst" I'd recommend looking at that one.)

Quoted from "Mrpushpop"

I don't understand your argument Darwic, I work a full time job and that's why i play ROM. Cause its pay to win or free to work hard. Your playing the wrong type of MMO with your mindset. that you should put no time or money into it and have everything u ever want.

OK let me explain this a different way since my argument was confusing.

For a moment, forget that pap and arrows ever happened. Think back to when EOJ's first came out in teragothen bay. There was a fairly sizeable crowd who did EOJ's at the time. The problem with this is that only the first x players got any EOJ's out of it. 35 for first, 30 for second, 25 for third, 20 for fourth, etc. So the problem with this is that only the people who are the best at eojs get any real reward at any real speed. Over time, people stopped trying to do EOJs.

Now lets look at pap. The same problem occurred, but people got eojs so fast and so abundantly, the market held a decent amount of stats at all times so atleast the stas were cheep.

As it stands now, not many people farm eojs because of the TB times. Now we have a few people spending more effort on EOJs and the prices for stats will rise. If i try to go back and farm with EOJ's its highly likely that i can put an hour or two in per day, and still not receive any rewards because of how the system works. In that time period, I could farm dreamland, i could farm for mems to pull mats to craft food or to pull OD pieces, i could go mow a lawn for 20 dollars and buy and sell dias. All because EOJ's, on top of the random aspect of pulling, has a semi random aspect of who will place and get EOJ's at all.

I dont care about working hard. I will work hard if needed. I want to be guaranteed that for the effort I put in i earn the same rewards as someone who puts in equal effort. EOJ's does not work this way.

its a game its not like im building the carseats for children or making medicines for dying old people... im playing a game for christ's sake. I do run instances for the rest of my stuff and run the full time... but whens the last time you farmed GoH for 16 hours straight? they arent the same game mechanics and cant really be compared. im not even saying that i wouldnt work for 15-18 minutes out of the 20 minutes as long as i can get the 105 eojs per 3 channels per 20 minutes. but i want to get it everytime by myself because no one else does it. you are misunderstanding what im wingeing about. its not that an easy eoj farm is now gone, its that i want to spend my time on rom efficiently. i dont want to start some event praying that i finish it before it resets and i get 3 eojs >.< like i said if someone has some quests that will obtain me what i am after as long as i am willing to play then post it. if not gtfo my posts

*edit* thanks Rogue2Priest and Xamd for the quest name. I will go check that out

The bottom line is that the quest was broken. Bugged, not working in a way any reasonable person would expect it to work. Different ways of obtaining game resources notwithstanding (my personal pet peeve is mems being fairly worthless now), this was a bug and it got fixed.

Quoted from "vfwiffo"

The bottom line is that the quest was broken. Bugged, not working in a way any reasonable person would expect it to work. Different ways of obtaining game resources notwithstanding (my personal pet peeve is mems being fairly worthless now), this was a bug and it got fixed.

this is fine. do you have any intelligent recommendations for publics to do that will net me the same rewards for same amount of time put in?

@ rav already mentioned 3 times, there ARE quests. Killer in the midst comes to mind, although I'm unsure if you can do all 3 channels with that one. I forget the name, but the "potion" delivery quests, with mounted alts on follow allowed me to do 2-3 channels in chrysalia solo, 2 comfortably 3 would finish just barely, and sometimes not always. There might be other quests available in other zones similar to this. Or you could farm items and spam turn ins.

Daily Notes addon can be helpful for locating easily completable quests. I haven't bothered since I know of 2 in Chrysalia that I am more then willing to use, and have not needed others in any other zone.

Quoted from "Darwec"

As it stands now, not many people farm eojs because of the TB times. Now we have a few people spending more effort on EOJs and the prices for stats will rise. If i try to go back and farm with EOJ's its highly likely that i can put an hour or two in per day, and still not receive any rewards because of how the system works. In that time period, I could farm dreamland, i could farm for mems to pull mats to craft food or to pull OD pieces, i could go mow a lawn for 20 dollars and buy and sell dias. All because EOJ's, on top of the random aspect of pulling, has a semi random aspect of who will place and get EOJ's at all.

That's the part I don't think you are understanding. Eojs was made this way on purpose, and if it's not the way you like it then simply don't participate in it. Also, there are now manyyy zones to do eojs in, and since you are saying to little amount of people do them now, you shouldn't have any trouble finding a free channel to solo farm correct? If you still having a hard time justifying the time:reward ratio, then do as you said. Farm mems (which I think taking longer) farm dreamland, mini games, then simply trade off with people who prefer to farm eojs... This game has various ways of getting endgame for players, one of the great things about it. Just because you yourself don't like a way one of those systems works, isn't much of a reason to change it on everybody else who really doesn't have a problem farming eojs and trading for other stuff. (Btw, I have not farmed eojs in months, so plz do not think I am being bias, only sensible.)

i cant run 15 hundred alts to help me finish public quests.. its me.. me alone.. 1 toon.. understand now?

I hate to break it to you then rav, but much like many things in game, EoJs appeart to be a group endeavor. Trying to do it solo is much tougher. This is in no way meant to be rude, but why the fixation on doing things solo? What's wrong with trying to whisper some friends and get a group going? You don't even need to be friends really or in the same party, just any 2-3 players who are willing to farm.

As for solo'ing you can farm items up in advance, but I guess that too is frowned upon since it requires much more time. At the time being, I do not think there are any quests that will allow you to solo complete 3 channels on 1 toon.

EDIT: rtp appears to know some, so looking through something like Daily Notes might yield some useful information.

Quoted from "Rav"

i cant run 15 hundred alts to help me finish public quests.. its me.. me alone.. 1 toon.. understand now?

I don't know how many times this must be repeated. There are still quests out there you are able to solo multiple channels on. If you spend less time qqing on this thread about the removal of Papp's exploit, maybe you could be out in different zones of RoM finding these quests? Just a recommendation, do as you'd like.

ya know i think i actually thanked you for the name of that quest earlier and said i was going to check it out.. just havent been able to pull myself away from the trolls on the forum... its addictive

I think the problem here is that some people are arguing difficulty (pap was too easy) and some people are arguing that the entirety of the EOJ system is flawed (there is no guarantee for rewards). I am one of the people who is arguing the latter. I dont care about pap itself. I dont care about the ease or difficulty of any individual EOJ quest. I just want to see a system where the time:reward ratio is more balanced. I want a system where the reward of eoj is at least guaranteed for each person participating (even if its in variable amounts).

Here is the problem: you can make the argument that i should just go put in more work, but the problem here is that the system is legitimately broken. Yes, i will farm eojs as they are now, but they should revamp the entier system of mems, eojs, and poms.

@roguetopriest. i understand this is how eojs and poms were designed. I also under stand that their design is breaking the game economy.

I always thought EOJ's were supplements to shells. U cannot farm unlimited shells but you can EOJ's. You can farm as many as you work for. You get more chances at the stats. I don't see any problems with this system.