Runes of Magic US / AU

Quoted from "Mrpushpop"

I always thought EOJ's were supplements to shells. U cannot farm unlimited shells but you can EOJ's. You can farm as many as you work for. You get more chances at the stats. I don't see any problems with this system.

The problem is that its already difficult enough to gear right now. There are not enough new upcoming players. The game needs to change so that it is easier for new players. The system makes no difference to me, im already well established and ill just keep plugging along until i have no one left to run with. I also recognize the fact taht the way things are progressing right now, i wont have a party to play with anymore if stats keep becoming harder to acquire.

The pom event was good, it gave everyone access to poms to gear with.

The way eojs work is bad, it restricts who can get eojs.

Poms on world bosses is bad, it restricts who can get poms.

Stats on mems was good, everyone could get mems.

Guaranteed bad stats on mems is bad, no one can get stats with mems.

Gear itself is easy and cheap to come by. It has always been stats that is the limiting factor.

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Edit: i should probably make a thread about how i hate EOJ's and poms instead of the thread on how pap got fixed. ill take this elsewhere.

I will say, for the most part, I agree with darwec. gonna wait for his new thread to elaborate.

Well the other problem i see is that people complain that this is hard, this takes too much time, this is not worth doing, this and that blablabla, Well that helps to drive players and new players away when they see you all complain about this.

They fixed Papp Hesof, get over it people. You want to know which one you can do in other zones?? FIGURE IT OUT YOURSELVES!! the silver spoon and plate you eat in doesn'T apply here. Stop hoping everyone will give you everything you want and worse for free. Learn the game, learn your toon, learn to read the quests and learn to play.

Many tools are available in this game to help you out and quest and do stuff.

EOJ is all about server COOPERATION!!!! find a few friends and do them, pretty simple, do people need us to make them a map with coordinates, NPC's names and amount of points they give? LMAO

IMO the system is not broken. Your arguing about the lack of new players now. That is a total separate issue and is due to a ton of reasons.

Quoted from "zidlef"

Well the other problem i see is that people complain that this is hard, this takes too much time, this is not worth doing, this and that blablabla, Well that helps to drive players and new players away when they see you all complain about this.

They fixed Papp Hesof, get over it people. You want to know which one you can do in other zones?? FIGURE IT OUT YOURSELVES!! the silver spoon and plate you eat in doesn'T apply here. Stop hoping everyone will give you everything you want and worse for free. Learn the game, learn your toon, learn to read the quests and learn to play.

Many tools are available in this game to help you out and quest and do stuff.

EOJ is all about server COOPERATION!!!! find a few friends and do them, pretty simple, do people need us to make them a map with coordinates, NPC's names and amount of points they give? LMAO

Last message before i leave: figure it out yourself and eoj is all about server cooperation are two very contradictory statements.

first and foremost among driving people from the game is the cost of gearing(both dias and time), which lack of consistant stat availablity(darwecs EoJ arguments) contributes to.

Server cooperation on EoJ's = less eoj's for most of the people doing it. You want the exact opposite of more players doing EoJ's, because that means less EoJ's for you. This thread is ridiculous.

Cike I would argue that we don't have any players coming to even discover the cost of gearing. The few we get we hold onto for dear life and trick them into playing.


EDIT: I am getting off topic talking about new players. so i will say this

EOJ's for Borella! now im on topic

that's a problem as well pushpop...

but even when you DO get a new player, the cost runs them out pretty quick...
heck, if RoM was cheaper that would mean more people stick around = more people trying to get their friends to play.

tbh, as it stands, I don't even try to get any of my gaming friends to play RoM, because unless you are an established char, the resources required to level and gear a new toon is enormous compared to other games.

and the cost all comes back to lack of stat/gear availability coupled with the insane item shop prices/requirements

heck, how many people leveled their pets when golden eggs were botted? same concept applies.

The issue of the economy in game is still not addressed here. During the height of the EoJ farm, stats became cheaper. But before that, stats were few and expensive. The "other" EoJ quests you mentioned have been around for awhile and there certainly hasn't been anyone farming them, so I don't expect that to change. We'll most likely go back to the era of stats being few and expensive, and how does THAT benefit the P2P's? It doesn't.

And honestly, Shells and EoJ's as a whole isn't a good system. Lets get past the "Oh you're a F2P, or oh you're a P2P". People play a game for enjoyment. Grinding minigames or Papp Hesof or whatever other EoJ quests ISN"T enjoyment, whether you're a F2P or P2P (unless you're P2W, then this doesn't effect you). Look at the public events in other games. One thing they stress is "Have FUN AND get good loot. Not we'll bore you to tears to get decent items.

People are upset because Papp was the closest thing RoM came to letting people get directly to the fun, which is what every good game is doing. Now, I'm not here to argue whether they're rightfully unhappy or not, but there IS a serious flaw in the gearing system we have in this game, and Papp Hesof being fixed will screw up the economy more and slow gear progression for F2P, and make the game more expensive for P2P's.

This thread was originally about pap, not the eoj system itself. I, and others, derailed it. The fixing of bugs in games is objectively a good thing. If you have an issue with the EOJ system, please look here.

Eojs, Poms, Mems, and Shells

You are arguing that the age of eoj exploits lowered stat prices and of course it did. Gear prices fell under last falls hacking too. This was never meant to happen in the 1st place. Anyone can get the stats they need by farming them themselves. P2P players can buy them off sellers that farm EOJ's for gold or diamonds. Nothing is going to change expect prices going back up to where they were.

The game is just returning to normal. You should just start another thread about how the game is too expensive and I will agree with you. However the eoj exploit caused botting and other problems as well. Reni players should complain they only have 1 channel. That sucks and makes life more hard on them. I think some of your points are valid but the game is just returning to normal and QQ'ing about oh no our exploit is gone is the wrong attitude IMO. You got 3 months of easy stats so enjoy.

Quoted from "Mrpushpop"

You are arguing that the age of eoj exploits lowered stat prices and of course it did. Gear prices fell under last falls hacking too. This was never meant to happen in the 1st place. Anyone can get the stats they need by farming them themselves. P2P players can buy them off sellers that farm EOJ's for gold or diamonds. Nothing is going to change expect prices going back up to where they were.

The game is just returning to normal. You should just start another thread about how the game is too expensive and I will agree with you. However the eoj exploit caused botting and other problems as well. Reni players should complain they only have 1 channel. That sucks and makes life more hard on them. I think some of your points are valid but the game is just returning to normal and QQ'ing about oh no our exploit is gone is the wrong attitude IMO. You got 3 months of easy stats so enjoy.

NO im sorry, and you are correct. My point came across poorly, which is why i started a new thread entirely. The problem is not the removal of exploits, it is the entire EOJ system. It just so happens that in this case the exploit did more good than harm, but a bug is a bug.

again, darwec has a good point. like he said, bugs are bugs, but this particular "exploit" directly benefited the entire server, not just the few exploiting like usual.

I also agree that it made it easier for everyone, but as Dpack is saying, it was never meant to be this way. If you think that EOJS system entirely should be changed, then by all means set up a suggestion thread as to how it should be changed. But the reason I've been, for lack of better words, crude, to people, is people they are not doing anything constructive and only qqing about the removal of an exploit. (not everyone was) Personally I think it's great papp was removed and I know it will have no effect on the prices of stats for my respective server. Also, EOJS IS the same for everyone, it is fair, everyone gets an equal amount of time, and are able to do the same quests as other people.

If everything was made as easy as some people are saying they want it, much of the player base would get bored faster then they already are.

This may sound extremely noobish (Who am I kidding its deffinately noobish), but whats an EoJ?

Quoted from "jbomb99"

This may sound extremely noobish (Who am I kidding its deffinately noobish), but whats an EoJ?

Energy of Justice

I will say that P Shells are something designed to be done solo, where you don't need anyone to do them. The above poster however is wrong on his "one stat every 3 days" comment. That isn't true, you can get 235 shells a day per character. 30 from andors, 50 from gobs, 50 from one Malatina, 30 from the other, 45 from the memory game, and 30 from the Steppes one. That is almost a stat a day, so sorry sir you are WRONG that you can only get one every 3 days.


I like the idea that EoJs require server cooperation. However I wouldn't mind it if someone could do the event by themselves and manage to finish it. That should be acceptable. The main thing is that they shouldn't be able to finish one, with time to go to all the other channels and succeed there as well. Not solo, no way. If you are doing the events alone you should be busy all day in one channel, not jumping around.

And lets be honest, people were farming 3 channels, lets say getting 20 per? (assuming they don't win the event every time). that is 60 every 20 minutes? How much for a pull? an hours worth of work? Maybe two?

That is ridiculous to think it is even possible to do that.

I used to solo do the events in AKOR, for a few pulls at a ring. I could do ONE channel solo, and finish it. Now I couldn't jump to other channels and suck up more... but I did my one channel, get 35 or so each 20 minutes and it was like 2 hours to a pull. So again, saying 3 days is a blatant attempt at misinformation as a way to make it seem like these exploits were helping you more than they actually were.

Plain and simple good thing people that were exploiting the system, cant as easily. I always thought doing a little in every channel to squeeze as much out of an hour of play time was low and maybe an exploit of the system.

Good on you for fixing it GF, good for you. Mems/Shells should always have better pulls on stats/gear than EoJs.. simply for the fact EoJs are easier to come by than mems/shells. (shells are limited per day, mems take a lot more grinding)

Sorry but I have never been a fan of EoJs in the game