Runes of Magic US / AU

As DK said shells are per toon.

We have a warden that is gearing up right now. You know how he is getting most of his stats, not EOJ's, not mems, but shell pulls. He has a bunch of alts at lv 50 (which is super easy to get) and runs the fastest 3 games with the biggest payout. Now at some point he will still need help because shell pulls won't give you every stat u need if you want to use the top lvl stat. If easy mode Grotto drops anything he needs (I'm not a warden) then thats where guilds come in. You don't need a huge party, you take a tank or mage or someone that doesn't need the same stats as you and you have a mutually benefiting farm.

Quoted from "Dkjester"

I will say that P Shells are something designed to be done solo, where you don't need anyone to do them. The above poster however is wrong on his "one stat every 3 days" comment. That isn't true, you can get 235 shells a day per character. 30 from andors, 50 from gobs, 50 from one Malatina, 30 from the other, 45 from the memory game, and 30 from the Steppes one. That is almost a stat a day, so sorry sir you are WRONG that you can only get one every 3 days.

Each of those minigames costs 30 Phirius Tokens. Unless there's a way to get hundreds of tokens a day that I'm not aware of without doing daily resets. And what is "30 from the other"?

some dailies give 20 ptokens once a day.

Quoted from "ruisen2000"

Quoted from "Dkjester"

I will say that P Shells are something designed to be done solo, where you don't need anyone to do them. The above poster however is wrong on his "one stat every 3 days" comment. That isn't true, you can get 235 shells a day per character. 30 from andors, 50 from gobs, 50 from one Malatina, 30 from the other, 45 from the memory game, and 30 from the Steppes one. That is almost a stat a day, so sorry sir you are WRONG that you can only get one every 3 days.

Each of those minigames costs 30 Phirius Tokens. Unless there's a way to get hundreds of tokens a day that I'm not aware of without doing daily resets. And what is "30 from the other"?

Not to mention some mini games gives Ptokens BACK as a reward, I usually pay 30 for course of terror and at least get my 30 back. The other malatina one, I usually get 20 back. Sacillia steppes I usually get on average about 10 back. that gives you an extra 60 a day, plus what Cike said. You can do all of them a day. Lucky Target pots seems to help.

Lets not forget.. if we are talking about "ungeared" players.... BAG STATS!, they are NOT that bad, I have a char completely bag statted and has 80k hp, and 80k pa.ttk as a r/wd. I put the stats on mostly crafted gear, quest accessories, and Easy mode Beth gear.

You don't HAVE to have the best stats to be viable..... and you can get WAY more bag stats a day farming then you can with exploiting EOJs... However you cant turn around and sell said stats for ridiculous prices in ah....


Sorry, but EoJs are NOT the only way for new and undergeared players to get geared up and to whine about them making it harder to get something for nothing... is never gonna get you any sympathy

Quoted from "Dkjester"

Not to mention some mini games gives Ptokens BACK as a reward, I usually pay 30 for course of terror and at least get my 30 back. The other malatina one, I usually get 20 back. Sacillia steppes I usually get on average about 10 back. that gives you an extra 60 a day, plus what Cike said. You can do all of them a day. Lucky Target pots seems to help.

Lets not forget.. if we are talking about "ungeared" players.... BAG STATS!, they are NOT that bad, I have a char completely bag statted and has 80k hp, and 80k pa.ttk as a r/wd. I put the stats on mostly crafted gear, quest accessories, and Easy mode Beth gear.

You don't HAVE to have the best stats to be viable..... and you can get WAY more bag stats a day farming then you can with exploiting EOJs... However you cant turn around and sell said stats for ridiculous prices in ah....


Sorry, but EoJs are NOT the only way for new and undergeared players to get geared up and to whine about them making it harder to get something for nothing... is never gonna get you any sympathy

Bag stats only get you so far. As a rogue, you can use a few bag stats here and there and get into beth hard. As a dps warden, you might do the same if you are lucky. As a healer, you can use bag stats and do anything you want in the world. As a mage or a tank or a scout? You are sol.

THe problem here is that we have a diminishing number of players. A rapidly diminishing number of players. If you think this game should continue to be difficult, and that the steep cost of entry into the mid-endgame market is not running players off, you are mistaken. Most players dont even know about bag stats or how to search for them or hwo to find them. Shell stats should never be so expensive for anyone, starting or not. Driving down shell/eoj stat prices will bring down instance prices as well. The entier market is over priced, not because of endgamers over charging or diamond sellers over charging or whatever other excuse people throw at each other in their anger. It is over priced because this game is honestly just designed to be a 12 hour a day grind.

Darwec I agree with you 100%, what I don't agree with is he is saying he cant do anything else without stats from EoJs.. which is just false. My bag statted m/wd can solo almost all the bosses in KBN easy, pretty easily. That is pretty good mem farming.

I think mem prices need to be dropped on cost, or increased in dropped. There shouldn't be as huge of a difference between hard and easy and normal.

EoJs, SHOULD be soloable.. but not exploitable and ridiculously rewarding. They shouldn't have better stat drops then mems either.


I am all for content being easier for the average player, thus keeping people around. I have said it countless times here on the forums. People weren't agreeing with me. I think it SHOULD be easier for someone to levelup/gearup now than it was for me. HOWEVER, a blatantly exploitable system is NOT the way. They told us they were going to fix things with EoJ farming... they even eluded that some bans might get handed out. I say people should be pretty happy that we aren't hearing about mass bannings!

The idea that farming EoJs for 10 hours get you one stat is pretty fair. However, that was assuming 35 EoJs, one channel solo for 10 hours. Jumping to 3 different channels, and doing it, yields 3x as many... which is ridiculous.

Heck remove bad stats (or most of them) from the loot tables of mems and EoJs and keep the nerfs in place and I think it is gonna be pretty fair. Which I hope is their plan, but they are just fixing the EoJs first, *fingers crossed*

Check out my other thread for other similar ideas dk. Eojs, Poms, Mems, and Shells

yeah I was reading that one already, and I am liking what I am seeing.

I mean I pretty much quit mem farming except for the base items. I used to a LOT. This proof event got me regearing a lot of stuff I wasn't going to before though. Giving me access to a ma.attk/crit shoulder, ma.attk/crit headpiece that I normally couldn't get also made me wanna finish some of the sets.

I also think there are way to many pieces of gear that most players would go "meh" and not use. Like for me the crit/attack pieces are a huge deal. The fact last boss in Beth easy drops a nice crit/attack bp was pretty awesome IMO. When I see any accuracy on an item I move along as I have not really ever had an issue with that.


On this thread though I was merely addressing the OPs statement that by changing EoJs it was somehow making it impossible to play and gear up. Which I don't think is true, mix bag stats and shell stats and you can get pretty good set up. You are right.. maybe not a tank, they would want more all shell if they cant get the instance/eoj stats. I can get away with Bag stats mixed with Shell stats for mages. Scouts can to, but expect to be more of a support role

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On this thread though I was merely addressing the OPs statement that by changing EoJs it was somehow making it impossible to play and gear up. Which I don't think is true, mix bag stats and shell stats and you can get pretty good set up. You are right.. maybe not a tank, they would want more all shell if they cant get the instance/eoj stats. I can get away with Bag stats mixed with Shell stats for mages. Scouts can to, but expect to be more of a support role

It won't be "impossible", but it certainly adds on the pile of problems that already exist in the game for new players that are starting the gearing process, as well as all players that are gearing up. You yourself said several lowbies in your guild gave up on the process, so you're familiar with the difficulty that new people face when they look at the looooooooong gear treadmill ahead of them.

New Players are not as dumb as you all make them out to be. They have access to guilds, forums, rom-welton. Sure they won't know everything right out of the gate but by the time they lvl to 85/50 (which should be 1st on the agenda) they will have made friends and figured out what's going on. The thing that keeps Rom from growing IMO, lack of advertising, cost of IS aka plussers etc, and age of the game.

Well as Pop said, don't think new players are dumb and have no sense of the game, with all the info out there for statting, questing, gearing etc, it makes it damn easy forthem to join in the game. We have 8 new players to the guild, 8 players that never played ROM, joined around Christmas, one is already 85/75 and geared, the others in their level 70's etc. We have loaned them gear to advance and they have sent it back as they outgrew it, we have given them a ton of bag stats from the latest drops, POM gear, P-shell gear, crafted gear etc. We even as a guild plussed 16 and fully stated their wings as a guild for them to help out.

There are multiple ways to stat your starting gear, get fusion stones with 1 or 2 stats and use crafted or grotto,beth easy modes stats from it and that should get you till you can get to the new zone. The problem is that players are greedy, untrustworthy and unhelpful. Some think they can get stuff and run away with it without consequences, loll, we have seen what happens to those people. It's all about the guild, the people you play and associate with, act like a moron and so you shall be treated.

People say the community is diminishing every day, no new players etc, STOP THE WHINNING!!!!!! try to help someone instead on making fun of them in world or trade chat. The comments : Oh i'm an endgamer, i have no time for a noob or You just started playing today? well you should go and find another game to play cause this one is way to expensive etc. We have enough negativity on the forums by the same individuals day in and day out, those people do not even play the game anymore, they log in for siege and poof they are gone or they don't even have a toon at level cap , we do not need people who are seemingly just trying to scare players away.

See a new player in game? why not try to help him out and show him the tricks or it so they can enjoy themselves and stay. First players i encountered on Reni : Castle, Lordangel, Tienkeem, Sadakko, Horrorweenie, Coffeebean, they all took hours upon hours to help me, i was just starting out and i tought : this is cool, i don't even know them and they are willing to help me WOW. Maybe people should remember those days of helping each other out and look further than their own belly button, that was what the game was about 4 1/2 years ago and we are trying to do that in Disturbed.

Stop thinking about controlling the economy and prices and give back or you wont have an economy to control, to those who just whine about the game, costs, hard to get stats etc, well go play LEGO's or Zelda, they are free and i think they even have a forums for you to complain about stuff.

DK you just ROCK

Quoted from "zidlef"

Stop thinking about controlling the economy and prices and give back or you wont have an economy to control, to those who just whine about the game, costs, hard to get stats etc, well go play LEGO's or Zelda, they are free and i think they even have a forums for you to complain about stuff.

I love how you always fall back on someone is trying to control the economy or monopolize the market.. What about the ones of us that have all the pom stats/instance stats they need and are just trying to gather the shell/eoj stats they need to finish statting for this chapter? Why must we all be greedy, manipulative d-bags? Anyways, thanks to several private messages from players, who are not standing atop their soapboxes preaching down at the rest of us for trying to play the game, I have found a solution to my eoj stat problem and will leave this topic alone. Best of luck to the rest of you who are trying to get statted and to those who are against you being able to, YOU CAN GO SIT ON A THUMBTACK!

Quoted from "Rav"

Quoted from "zidlef"

Stop thinking about controlling the economy and prices and give back or you wont have an economy to control, to those who just whine about the game, costs, hard to get stats etc, well go play LEGO's or Zelda, they are free and i think they even have a forums for you to complain about stuff.

Best of luck to the rest of you who are trying to get statted and to those who are against you being able to, YOU CAN GO SIT ON A THUMBTACK!

Did i touch a nerve Mr/Mrs 10 posts ?

I'd just like to add to Zid's comment by mentioning that you can not blame a failed economy on EOJS? Like that was a very random comment... MOST servers economy is because of a small player base, so one guild rules, and they take that power to full advantage. So if you wanna help the economy, start being nice to people And certainly stop with all the whining and how much this game needs fixing. You don't own the game, no one but the owners know what it is intended to be. If it is exactly as intended, then you can complain a damn bit because that is just what this game is, if you have so many problems with it, I suggest something else. Instead of continuously driving away our player base with negativity.

@zid: i help players every day. I teach them about what stats and gear to use. If i can afford it, ill buy them nice things off the Ah. If i have things in my bag, all i ask for usually is a puri unless im selling off one of my old pieces. But still, there are pleanty of players who have been playing this game for as long as i have who dont know about rom welten. There are pleanty of players who dont char plan, and think to stop and plan out the uber hardmode/pom gear vs easier to acquire gear. These are things only a very few people will do. It's not about new players being stupid, its just that there is too much for most people to care to compare and analyze. I do it for fun, most people hate that kind of work.

@zid and roguetopriest the problem with new players is not eoj's, you are correct. THe problem is the server economy. There is A LOT wrong with the economy, EOJ's is just one small part of a larger problem. Fixing eojs, fixing poms, fixing mem pulls, fixing what gear is worthwhile out of easy/norm/crafted are all vital to fixing the economy. Basically, my argument is, the economy is not broken because of players. It is broken because of the way the game is set up.

Also do not ell me not to complain about things that i feel are borken. If i feel the need to point out a flawed system in the hopes that the devs pick up on that suggestion i will. That is the only way problems will be addressed. Someone has to bring them up. The only thing you do by calling us whiners is that you make yourselves seem complacent in a terrible economy.

Darwec, you are not complaining, you are making threads to help the solutions of problems we know of and i thank you for that. You love the game as much as me and i know it, i know you help a lot of people too ;-). I vote for you, Rustyx, Rougetopriest and DKjester as part of the solution brainstorming team ;-) So much could be accomplished just by you four.


But other individuals on the forums are just doing the opposite and trying to make it feel like it's not worth it. We need people who love the game, that plays all the facets of it and so they know what they are talking about.


Darwec i never doubt you and mostly agree with what you propose on your thread

BTW just got another 3 totally new players join today YEAH!!!!!!