Runes of Magic US / AU

Umm.. I don't know what thread you read Kakita but seems to me he was saying people that spend lots of money is good for everyone. Which I believe to be true. If a new player comes to rom and buys and sells diamonds isn't everyone F2P better off. In turn the P2P player is also better off. Spending is good for economy in general.

Lower prices from gameforge = more spending on our part

Well the last thing the playerbase has told RoM is that prices are too high.

How many of the past weekend sales did not sell out of those limited versions?

"The Game needs spendy noobs"

Basically stating it needs more ignorant people to take advantage of?

Zid pointed out about how if they were truly concerned about helping and getting along then they would include and aid others not exclude.

And I deal with a fair share of "Endgamers" that have plenty of gear sitting around that they can not git rid of, and why can't they get rid of it?

Cause let me tell you Diamond Sellers cannot keep diamonds in stock, so plenty of people still need Diamonds. Hence why there is such a huge shift in the game, Gameforge is killing the ability to play for free.

Because Gameforge is making large shifts in removing the ability of a small percent of players to control their game, so I expect to see more and more threads like this starting to spring up.

And just for the record you can obtain as many purified Fusion stones you want a day if you find the right set up, we have unlimited accounts so your only limit to get Purified Fusion Stones without spending is only limited to your time.

I'll throw in my 2 cents, realizing that might be an overvaluation.

As for the 'spendy noobs', maybe noob shouldn't have been used, since it generally is a negative term, but it was actually in reply to a post about not liking people who come in and spend tons of money to quickly gear up, supposedly not 'earning' the right to be well geared. Personally, I don't believe anyone should care how somebody gets geared, as long it's legitimately done.

As for the post in general, I agree with it's basic principle that we should be united against the prices of diamonds in RL or the prices in the item shop, and that we shouldn't fight amongst ourselves based on what category of the game we fall in. And there should be a balance in the game and realize that most people fit into the basic category of being good for the game with the simple fact that they are playing.

That being said, I also think there are a few legitimate gougers on most servers which can hurt the game. For me, that's not about the person who might price things slightly higher, be it diamonds or gear. One example would be the cornering of a market, then jacking the prices up to 3 or 4 times higher, maybe even more. And yes, the diminishing player base leaves the game more vulnerable to such things.

Yes, I believe the diamonds resellers were bad for the game, creating a false inflation, as I believe that resellers in general are bad for the game. No new product is being added by such, and the higher prices that accompany such activity can negatively affect how people view the game.

As for the FTP, P2P, there is obviously too much conflict between the two. I suspect it is better to judge each player individually, instead of making sweeping statements about whole categories. Some endgame guilds do get hurt in reputation, though, by a few players who do come off as simply being jerks. While maybe it's not politically correct to say that, I believe that it is quite often true.

And yes, I think it is probably true that there will always be players who will negatively impact the pleasure of playing this game in one way or another. I do think it is a small minority though.

I agree with Kakita's post, the need of the many will outweight the need of the few. Now we have a ton of people trying to sell diamonds/gear/stats on Reni, only problem? both sides think their crap is worth more than the other loll.

Why pay 100M for a stat 180 Int/MATK?? what is wrong with people?? and then they try to tell you diamonds at 100K per is too much LMAO!!!


Ah well people are just being greedy, luckily i have good friends who give me great deals and i give them great prices Fair is fair

Quoted from "kakita01"

Because Gameforge is making large shifts in removing the ability of a small percent of players to control their game, so I expect to see more and more threads like this starting to spring up.

ummm...are we playing the same game? RoM is even more P2W now than it ever had been. I'd argue the exact opposite.


Sorry fan, there was just too many unanswered questions to not post :/


I'll start with the game needing p2w noobs part. that is completely true. i'd almost argue that the p2w are the ones keeping the servers open with their dia consumption, not your casual "i buy $10 of dias every other week" joe-smoe "p2p". also, it enhances the ingame economy too. if you haven't noticed, most of the rich, p2w people buy up and sell more stuff than most people. not necessarily "playing the market" like everybody seems to think. just because they CAN buy it, they do and when they are done, they sell it. that being said, i've found most p2w don't care as much about their RoI for the items they use, at least a whole lot less than lower spenders. you see in world, that "greedy, lazy, p2w moron" just bought an entire set of endgame gear for an alt. at first, you are prolly pissed(unless you were selling it ofc), but then remember, he probably has a whole set of almost-endgame gear he needs to dump, and he's not as interested in breaking even when selling old gear as most people. thats when you go run to the AH or whisper them asking if they have gear for sale

in short, most "p2w noobs" are the ones keeping the economy alive. they pump dias and recycled gear/items into the economy at a rate the normal p2p or f2p can't match. sure, some may play the market every now and then, but if you don't like the prices of something they sell, don't buy, eventually somebody will have to drop their price.



second, i'd like to address the whole cost of game thing. it's too freakin' high! both in time commitment and real life money, RoM is arguably the most expensive game on the market. the dia(gear, effect)/dollar ratio is why many people go f2p. why even more quit. when it costs over $20 just to enhance a SINGLE piece of gear...well...people go "oh, if i get just 1 piece of gear a month in that other MMORPG, it'll still be cheaper. i'll go try that instead". in addition to the fact that RoM really isn't at the forefront of gaming anymore(was it anyways?)(lots of more advanced titles coming out), it's not like you are getting a premiere experience for your buck. right now it's like deciding to play ms. pac-man for a quarter or original pac-man for a buck a play at the arcade. the only people that will choose the original is the ones that have already put all their money in, and are trying to stretch it so they don't feel like they got ripped off. then a patch comes and the big red dots don't allow you to eat ghosts anymore, so you have to put more money in to start over and figure it all out again. then guess what? another patch. this time the fruit poisons you and you die when you touch it. cha-ching, put another dollar in. just think, if you hadn't already spent all ur money, you coulda had 4x the plays on ms. pac-man.


the basic premise of this thread is simply "we need everyone, so stop trying to rip each others throats out". i agree. f2p vs. p2p is irrelevant at this point. when you see a f2p asking for a lower game cost, thank them, because since they don't have really any money invested in the game, it doesn't really matter to them as long as people buy/sell dias, yet they are still trying to put money in your pocket. when you see a p2w, thank them for providing dias and supporting the economy. when you see a casual p2p, thank them for sticking around.

RoM can't afford to lose any more players. anybody who thinks differently is just fooling themselves(or playing the wrong game if mmo isn't for you).

have fun, good luck, blah, blah, blah,
cike

Quoted from "Cike"

Quoted from "kakita01"

Because Gameforge is making large shifts in removing the ability of a small percent of players to control their game, so I expect to see more and more threads like this starting to spring up.

ummm...are we playing the same game? RoM is even more P2W now than it ever had been. I'd argue the exact opposite.


Sorry fan, there was just too many unanswered questions to not post :/

Not sure you read my statement correctly but what I said is exactly what you just retorted with, I will try to keep my statements more simple and clear.

And how are you going to argue the exact opposite?

F2W are bad for the game, F2P are bad for the game, we need everyone pitching in. Pretty simple huh.

Quoted from "kakita01"

Quoted from "Cike"

Quoted from "kakita01"

Because Gameforge is making large shifts in removing the ability of a small percent of players to control their game, so I expect to see more and more threads like this starting to spring up.

ummm...are we playing the same game? RoM is even more P2W now than it ever had been. I'd argue the exact opposite.


Sorry fan, there was just too many unanswered questions to not post :/

Not sure you read my statement correctly but what I said is exactly what you just retorted with, I will try to keep my statements more simple and clear.

And how are you going to argue the exact opposite?

F2W are bad for the game, F2P are bad for the game, we need everyone pitching in. Pretty simple huh.

the "small percentage of players controlling the game" are NOT f2w. they are the p2w. f2w is restricted to a few people who either a) have been around forever, b) are insanely skilled, or c) both. why should they not be able to go f2w if they figured out how?

p2w have pretty much most of the economy-controlling power in the game. they are the ones with all the resources. they are both endgame and bulk dia buyers, meaning they have access to their own gear and their own dias. as far as other people are concerned, like i said, they are just pumping things into the economy.


everybody has their place. f2p and f2w are balanced out by p2p and p2w. unless you don't buy a single item from a f2p player, or that was created by a f2p player, you can't argue that f2p are hurting the game. take a wild guess who does most of the grinding/farming, f2p or p2p. without f2p, you would be doing heck of a lot more farming, because they won't be doing it for you.


fan very clearly pointed out the benefits of having f2p play the game. since me stating them again would just look like i ctrl+c, ctrl+v from the original post, i'll just stop here.

have a good day,
cike

Quoted from "Cike"

without f2p, you would be doing heck of a lot more farming, because they won't be doing it for you.

This x100. The only time I have to farm is on weekends I don't have plans. I raid and sw almost every night and hit my dailies/minis. I NEED ftp players to buy pots, stats, and general random items off of. Without them I won't be able to make pretty things as fast.

Well Fann if Garsak is still on Reni, if you know which toon, account he plays on, i surely hope that you have reported him already and GM's will take appropriate action to remove him from Reni and other servers. He tried with his little friend to destroy the game and economy of it, so we do not need people like that little moron coming back. If any guilds hides him and protect his identity, well you are as worse as the dupers and cheaters that were here a few months back, sad to say.

I have my suspicions on a few toons that are as annoying as that little moron on Reni, but no proof yet. He apparently moved from Ontarion, Canada to the states so he has a different IP adress now, hopefully GM's you are checking this and taking notes.

Kid could never play the game, couldn't run stuff without a certain program, couldn't gear without people telling him what stats to use etc, so beware, if you get banned by association, don't be surprised or come crying about it later, check what happened to EDH.

I will not comment specifically on the last few posts but we do understand the concerns and we do our best to keep the game as clean as possible.

I would like to ask that everyone try to keep this thread as close to "on-topic" as possible and do not derail it with discussions of bans.

Please and Thank you

~Majik

Well, I'm a P2W player, but I'm also F2P. I need something badly, then I buy it, most times though, I grind. I also sell diamonds at reasonable prices. I used to +up gear for players, again at reasonable prices, had to give that up, couldn't keep enough gems. I don't really say much in world, except to pick on a certain green bunny, otherwise I'm just doing my thing. Thing is, you should remember we're all here playing a game, doesn't matter what group you're in, be it P2W or F2P. All of us bring something to the game. I buy a lot of mats and I mean a lot, it frees me up to do the things I want. Without the players grinding those mats, I would have to. Been there done that! Just be nice to each other, treat players the way you want to be treated. You or guildies get attacked, then defend yourself, just keep it out of world, we do have some youngsters playing this game. I'm no saint by far. I can cuss up a blue streak that would make a sailor blush, but I never, ever do that in world. Other than that Happy hunting!

Quoted from "SirGreyghost"

Well, I'm a P2W player, but I'm also F2P.

Say what! How dare you try to be in more than 1 box at a time.

It seems to me at one point OP's guild on Palenque was doing everything in their power to make sure end game gear never made it to anyone else on the server (something about guildies first), unfortunatlly it seemed more about the haves and have not's even in the same guild as if people that lacked t8 armor were somehow unheard when they needed something, something that seems to happen a lot in some bigger guilds and they seem oblivious as to how it might effect others ftp or ptp. Especially when some servers are now on the verge of just recovering from the Proof exploit of the TB boss that stated so many of the Endgame players in the first place.

I don't always buy diamonds for the simple fact that i may not have something worthy to spend them on, and not as a matter of budget. I liked the diamonds in the AH but it just went to show people how big the gold divide was (even though i don't think all that gold is legit either). I guess my point is don't forbid people based on gear from getting better gear, allow other ways to do it, there is no reason that there shouldn't be some sort of permanent alternative solo event to get proofs for ftp or ptp since the servers are still not balanced, and help you own guildies whenever possible.

@MNKMURPHY

Yes I read a good bit of sarcasm in your posts, sometimes translation or interpretation is lost in just typing. Which is a very common mentality from people claiming to be Endgame.

@Cike
To be clear I am pretty self sufficient, I have no issues with using OD easy mode gear, OD crafted gear ( and since I can craft every piece of equipment in game I can make gear without spending a dime or needing someone else to sell me gear ). I am excluded out of being able to obtain Orange stats but oh well I have enough alts to farm Shell stats to avoid the price gouging that goes on for stats on the AH. Between shell stats, Easy/Normal Mode stats and bag drops I have never really had an issue with statting gear.

Not much reason to chat, my point is simple it is not Gameforge that made this game super expensive, yes I agree the game is pricey if you choose to buy items not on sale ( diamonds and Item shop items ). Gameforge runs enough sales to easily reduce the cost on their end, so how many players run sales with gear or diamonds whatever they are selling?

Greed rules, everyone that plays should try to pitch in financial when they can afford to, It has been way to long after Scout dominance(ch3) to blame Gameforge for the imbalance in the economy.

And in no shape or form can players ban together to get anything accomplished, the only time I have seen that was when they instituted the percent mana drain on all caster skills.

I do get a kick out of how the different classifications ( social class..Poverty, Lower Class, middle class ) is being used to separate players.

Quoted from "kakita01"

Not much reason to chat, my point is simple it is not Gameforge that made this game super expensive, yes I agree the game is pricey if you choose to buy items not on sale ( diamonds and Item shop items ). Gameforge runs enough sales to easily reduce the cost on their end, so how many players run sales with gear or diamonds whatever they are selling?

GF is simply selling for as high as people will pay, which is logical business practice. since endgame usually need to get the best/awesomest/coolest gear, they will pay an arm and a leg for it, so GF charges an arm and a leg. endgamers have driven the price of the game to the sky, by gearing to the max and then complaining things are too easy, then wanting more power. does all the blame rest on the players? maybe, i'm not gonna judge. poor game design? most definitely. logical for a p2w game? probably.

even though it is the players driving the game cost upwards, GF is the one enabling it(heck, they want people to spend as much as they want, so they are pushing for people to buy as much crap as they can), laughing the whole time we decide to chuck more money into it for items that they control, have unlimited supply, and are free to them.

do players get sick of it and leave, yes. this is the issue we are facing. how to get the publisher(and the one profiting from the whole thing) to fix a player-created(not blaming), but GF enabled(and encouraged), issue.

Quoted from "kakita01"

Greed rules, everyone that plays should try to pitch in financial when they can afford to, It has been way to long after Scout dominance(ch3) to blame Gameforge for the imbalance in the economy.

there are several people i know that pay enough for ~25 players themselves(assuming $15/month is acceptable for p2p). is it others fault they spend that much? the sky's the limit when it comes to buying dias, especially in contrast to a sub-based game, where paying $100 worth of accounts a month doesn't really help advance your characters much.

Quoted from "kakita01"

And in no shape or form can players ban together to get anything accomplished, the only time I have seen that was when they instituted the percent mana drain on all caster skills.

and iceblade. your point still stands though. unless GF sees a large portion of the playerbase as unhappy, nothing will get done. this might be fine for the people that are actually happy, but for people who see problems, it would be extremely hard to get things to changed without a large alteration in the community's stance. just look at scout. there is just about a universal consensus that it should be fixed, but nobody is really vocal as a community to push for a fix.

Quoted from "kakita01"

I do get a kick out of how the different classifications ( social class..Poverty, Lower Class, middle class ) is being used to separate players.

are they not true?

if the servers are indeed a micro-economy, then there WILL be different levels of wealth(heck, you can even see the stratification in guilds, which would be about equivalent to different neighborhoods if we are comparing). whether you want to label people or not is up to you.

Quoted from "kakita01"

Not much reason to chat, my point is simple it is not Gameforge that made this game super expensive, yes I agree the game is pricey if you choose to buy items not on sale ( diamonds and Item shop items ). Gameforge runs enough sales to easily reduce the cost on their end, so how many players run sales with gear or diamonds whatever they are selling?

You're right it was frogster's fault, gf only picked up the torch, seriously though theyre the exact reason why the game is expensive, it's their job to balance the economy, we don't have any control over it, if they wanted to address the rampant gold inflation or have an auction house with sensible rules to it or content designed to challenging in other ways than gear check they could have but it never happened.

Fanny I know your trying to be nice and stuffs but some people are really only worth a couple sentences at most, theres not much discussion to be had, its a shame because anyone who actually knows you also knows you were sincere. However, anyone that isn't aware where the faults are in rom and why nothing is going to change by now is either brand new or... well.....ya.

ill chime in again here

I had no problem with OD pieces selling for 100 mil ish prices. I have bought a few at these prices. Most here should know I have said 250k per diamond is ridiculous as well. I am all for fair, and UD for 100 mil isn't fair... (except weapons, I can see that at the beginning), 250k diamonds per is ridiculous.

What I want to see is a fair system between the F2P and P2P players. Problem is a lot of F2P want the system to be in their favor, and a lot of P2P want to have it in their favor. I hope my points of FAIR is what we need. 8k per diamond is not fair, never gonna happen. 40-50k is not fair, wont happen, shouldn't happen again. 120k-180k I think is fair (on Artemis, cant speak on other economies). There is just too much gold in the flow around. But gear buyers shouldn't expect OD hard mode pieces for 50 mil either.. that is just nuts.


I know there is no way to stop all the people from fleecing, and I think things are getting better on all sides. Maybe as more start to come to the center, more will follow.

Quoted from "mnkmurphy885"

I kinda want to write a whole post about the hypocrisy inherent in hatred stemming from people succeeding where others fail. In this case, absolutely nothing we could have done would have pleased you, Chelus, aside from not clearing any instances. If we had sold the gear for the same, or even lower prices, than other guilds on other servers, we would have been accused of mass greed. Giving the damned gear away gets us criticized as greeders, too, so... what would you have us do, Chelus? Take each and every one of the people in every guild on Palenque through each instance and geared them for free?

I was friends with people in that guild that talked quite frequently about it, don't take it so personal, they were the same people being instructed to set off fireworks during GM events and to me that's a far worse problem, still not as bad as the one who opened a portal to the Steel Bridge of Creamation (Oh, still the same guild).. Also Helping others through runs actually sounds like a good idea..