Runes of Magic US / AU

I don't think any player (f2p, f2w, p2p, p2w) would actually be angry or disappointed if Gameforge made the cost to play the game more affordable. "I don't want to get more bang for my buck," said no one ever. That front should be pretty well united.

Where trouble starts is these groups that players are filed into have different things to bring to the table and everyone (or nearly everyone) has their own opinion of what these things are worth. Or some people think they're not worth anything. The only set rate we have is dollars to diamonds, all other exchange rates are up in the air. Ergo, price wars and division between player groups and economic conflict.

What I will say is no one on the US servers can afford to be making the game more difficult for others. Driving more people away through hostile community interactions benefits absolutely no one. Having less and less people has put a lot of pressure on the economy, diamond flux, guilds, raids, and so on. The structure of the game was built for "massively multiplayer" not for the small populations we have now. Unless someone is planning to single-handedly support the cost of running a server for a population of 1, no one has any business trying to drive people out.

Interesting

Last pots in this from me.

@Cike

Much applause from me on your breakdown in replies to my last post.

@mnkmuprhy

Call me childish if you like, your entitled to your point of view or opinion of me.

The whole retort was that blame needs placed where it belongs. I think Cike stated it in a much better way than I have.

There will be no price adjustment from Gameforge as long as the customer keeps shucking cash at them, once the spending truely slows down then they will or may reconsider a price restructure.

Plussing gems price increase is probably due to the fact that they are not really selling +6 and +12 gems, so they adjusted the +16 ( which allows GF to control totally ) to compensate for the lack of sales with the lower plussing gems.

Good luck and have fun.

Quoted from "kakita01"

Plussing gems price increase is probably due to the fact that they are not really selling +6 and +12 gems, so they adjusted the +16 ( which allows GF to control totally ) to compensate for the lack of sales with the lower plussing gems.

Good luck and have fun.

That makes no sense. It takes the same amount of +6 and +12 jewels to get to +12 as it always has before. It's not like the sales of those should have just suddenly dropped. You still can't use +16's until you get to +12. The increase in price on +16's is simple GF greed. But yes, why decrease prices when they can be greedy and people still go out and buy diamonds and buy them.

You both keep talking about prices and gouging as the reason people are leaving the game. Most that i know that started and left there reason wasn't prices as everyone that plays likes to blame.. There reason was a game that CRASHES all the time is no fun to play. There reason for leaving was GF/RW won't fix there game. Think about it.. How fun is it in seige running in with 800 merits and crash before there handed off.. Or going thru Dalanis (Crash-lanis most call it) 1 step at a time trying not to crash. That's the reason most gave me when i talk to them in RL and ask why they dont play any more. Most are playing other RELIABLE games. Some happily paying to play 1 particular one. That could of been GF's money but noone seems to want to address the issue. But before you start saying prices are the reason you might want to talk to several people that left. I did and that was there reply.

well my friend thats the most silliest reason ive heard so far... when i first started laying this game i crashed a lot. Then well computers dont last forever, so had to upgrade eventually.. and nowadays they r half the cost of what i used to spend on a computer. When i upgraded, got something a lilttle more video game friendly.
Helped out 50% or so, still crashed a lot ofc, then i started asking friends and other people on servor for various hints and helpful suggestions, im not going to type them all here, cuz im going to get a tldr at the end like fann does XD.

Point is, now... i dont crash at all, hell, ask my guildies, sometimes i dont play for a few days, but i leave my toon logged into game for the entire extent, and never crash 4 dayz.

I dont normally ever log out, unless it gets super laggy from playing for extreme amount of times like i do.

I go through dalanis,first boss Goh (XD), tosh, varanas, hell even when GF hosts an event, and entire servor in one spot, i watch everyone crash out meanwhile im still standing there

Point is your problem is easily fixable.

i agree with Cerberus on this, i run 6 clients on 1 machine, got a year old system i built myself, leave them all on all day and rarely crash anymore. GM events ya with 6 clients running i will crash out, but heck i can live with that. I got my clients since friday online and crashed out twice, well not really, internet provider reseted my modem, lol. But for me it is more stable than before, wonder what video card you are running, RAM, CPU etc. It does a lot to have a system that can handle it. I got a i730 Intel, Gigabyte motherboard gamer, 12 Gigs RAM, GTX 760 Nvidia 2GB card and 2TB harddrive. Will have to update my bios this weekend and all my drivers also, been 3 months since i did it ;-(.

But their are things you can do to make it go better for you, cleaning the dust from the box, check the paste between the fan and the CPU to see if it didn't dry up, like mine did last year, Defrag your disk, run full antivirus sotware, etc.. It should help a little at least.

Last year i was losing my mind with my machine crashing non-stop, screaming in Vent and then a guildie told me, Zid, calm down, check the white paste between the CPU and Fan for it, you run your machine 24/7, it has dryed up for sure, and surely enough it did LOL. Since then i replace the paste every 6 months just to be sure, an overheating CPU will cause random crashes/errors/bluescreen.

yes my bluescreen are not always Kalvan's or Beren's fault hahahaha ;-)

/\ GREAT suggestion that many don't think about, I tried to explain this to people on another game with no luck. Also it happens a LOT faster if you overclock. I have never overclocked since it 1 voids the warranty, 2 is rarely needed, and 3 is more of an epeen thing.

I am like zid and I run LOTS of clients, CPU fan/paste big deal. If you have an ivy bridge processor, use the stock fan and OC... no wonder. Replace the paste get an EVO 212 fan system (they are cheap) if you are going to overclock. Ivy Bridge runs hot to begin with also. Don't expect a stock fan, with basic thermal paste to keep up with an overclocked setup. Heck I wouldn't even say trust it for a basic setup with an Ivy processor.

Make sure your page file is 1.5x your memory on the machine.

Run cleanmem set at 2-3 min.

Turn off shadows/water settings. I had posted them somewhere else for lower machines or if you gonna run a BUNCH of clients.


I will not say that the game doesn't have problems that I would like to see fixed... The mem warning error drives me nuts. However, there are things you can do, and it isn't ALWAYS them.

Well congratulations to the few super-lucky people that never crash, here's your cookie. I simply stated the reasons i was told by other people why they left the game. Majority of the new people crash. Unlike ALL the other games of this type. You want to keep the new people, you have to fix the problem. Don't fix the problem, watch the noobs come and go to the other games that have no issues.

Requiring a memory cleaner and your playerbase to bend over backwards to make the game stable when that is the developers job is simply ridiculous. And even then, it's still not stable. You're still likely to crash. You think a new person is going to join the game, crash every 20 minutes, and immediately go search for things to download and files to change to make it crash less? No, they're just going to say screw this, this sucks, and leave.

"Turn down your settings." is such a stupid thing to have to do. "Sure, I can run full settings at 90 FPS, but i'll crash every 15 minutes so better just make the game ugly." Why bother when you can just go play a beautiful game, without crashing, at full settings?

no need to get snippy and angry there bub after all I said:


I will not say that the game doesn't have problems that I would like to see fixed... The mem warning error drives me nuts. However, there are things you can do, and it isn't ALWAYS them.

the ALWAYS was there to specifically show that some cases it is their fault. The information provided on how some of us fix these issues is not to say this is what people should do before quitting. It is merely stating that there is a solution to keep playing the game you love with as little problems as possible. Now if you are a person who doesn't want to take advantage of things that could make your gaming experience better while waiting on a fix from the company and would rather quit, then quit.

If you would rather continue to crash at the rate that you are crashing and continue to get frustrated, then that is your CHOICE. This is because you CHOOSE to not reduce settings that will reducing crashing and have a minimal affect on the look of your game (Shadows will be something you will probably not miss and water effects? Unless you are standing starring at the limited amounts of bodies of water in the game), or do anything to reduce your frustration.

However some people see no problem in doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results (I think that is called insanity). No one is telling you to do anything. Merely trying to help others situations.....

but I understand what type of person you are and therefore can see why you would rather continue to complain instead of taking advantage of what is available to you......


Cause lets be honest... yelling and screaming at GF, just makes them pass the unhappiness on to RW. After all GF is not in control over memory leaks, they are only able to put pressure on RW.... and since their new game has the same problems..... it is a slim thought that they will be fixing it. So again, you can sit back and scream and yell about what "SHOULD" be the case, or you can do a few things to reduce your frustration and give you a better gaming life.... or not and continue to get enraged.

But hey some think if they keep beating their head into a wall.... eventually their head will stop hurting, or someone will move the wall.



Edit to add: Yes I would like these things fixed also, yes I know it is a problem. But there is a saying about there are things you CAN control and things you CANNOT. I think if they aren't going to get a resolution to the crashing (which I don't think is going to be a reality), then GF should proactively look for their own solutions to the issue. For instance using the player found fixes and either put them on the webpage or something like that. This way newer players DONT have to look far. Or even have those fixes patched some how, like including them in the installer.

So again, ill reiterate cause some have to read it 12 times before it sinks in. YES there are problems, but there are bandaids. Getting upset and angry over it is irrational. After all ANY game I play, if I run into a problem, I google it and look for patches/solutions. Cause it is harder to find another game you like than it is to find a fix for one that you do.

Hey though that is just me. And I am NOT trying to push my beliefs on anyone, do what you want. I just think it is a little nuts to quit rather than installing something like Cleanmem.... after all it fixes more than just RoM on windows systems.

Quoted from "Minervaa"

You both keep talking about prices and gouging as the reason people are leaving the game. Most that i know that started and left there reason wasn't prices as everyone that plays likes to blame..

How quickly players have forgotten the mass exoduses of only a few chapters ago. Or maybe so many people quit at that time and since then, that no one is here to remember how many players actually left over prices and never looked back? For shame... The aftermath of those departures is why the game got into the shoddy position it is now. Those people were never given a reason to return because their concerns were never addressed and the problem was never resolved. It's still not resolved.

At this point, remaining players can take any reason they want to quit; it's the straw, no matter how small, that breaks the camel's back. The reasonable players who held standards for acceptable game affordability and pricing are already gone. The long-time players that put up with it are fed up with it and they should be (or they should justifiably be f2p). If there is a greater issue than economics and pricing to unite under, then by all means create the thread to address it.

OMG DK!!! we try to help, give solutions to help THEM enjoy the game and they snap at us? really? Why are people so stupid and angry?, you offer help = you get crap, you give out solution = you get crap, you try to be nice = you get crap. so next time we will just give you crap and at least we will know what to expect, damn tyvm to us for being helpful and sorry to have tried.

The game loses players because people come here, QQ about everything and then get help and solutions and still QQ, well it's morons like this with bad attitude that get players away from the game.

Well DK next time we will just tell them to remove the paste and fan since there is no point having them and then they will stop posting for sure LOL.

DK tyvm for keeping posting intelligent and helpful posts as always ;-) we are too few and too many morons out there for us to help or at the very least try to help.

This thread wasn't about helping people overcome their crashing problems. Originally, it was about all should be united about the high prices which I think was a good principle.

Somebody pointed out the crashing problems which cause people to leave. It is a true statement. Most here posting probably already know how to at least minimize some of the server problems. New people coming in can experience problems, and as Borella said, if you have to make special allowance in order to play the game, it isn't conducive to keeping those players. It's a good game. It does have problems. The moron calling is getting a little ridiculous, though. And it is very unnecessary.

Hi all,

A lively discussion is great, so I will keep this open for now.
So let's keep this thread on topic and keep off each others backs and it will stay that way.

Thank you