Runes of Magic US / AU

Ive been saying that this game could make great money for a long time after all when u look at the main things that people complain about the crashing/lag (i count those as the same) and the high prices of dia's but another thing many miss (the people crying for cheaper for free to play)is that RoM is a bussiness if everyone is crying to make it easier to play for free that hurts the game yes i agree free to play people are important very much so but there does need to be more people paying if this game makes them so little money they wont make the effort to fix it im sure many of you free to play people have jobs can can at LEAST spare maybe $20 a month that will help the game more complaining endlessly you want to complain then do YOUR part to help make things less difficult for them spend a little money here and there show them the game IS worth fix'ing

Quoted from "zidlef"

Why would players be forced to find something else to play? you have plenty you can do in the game as of now. Instances, crafting, questing, farming cards, mats and XP/TP, helping others with the knowledge you might have, helping them run instances unatainable to regular people, getiing setskills etc, plenty to do hile in wait of the next level cap.

Ya i know to some helping others once they are endgame, would be pointless because they have nothing to gain from it, therefore why would they, well because someone else helped them get that point. Self centered individuals that just go for what THEY NEED, THEY WANT. Where would it be wrong for those players to give a hand to others running the harder mode instances? Finishing their quests, item set skills etc, heaven forbid that they would, because then other people might become as good as they are and remember how badly they treated other people by stepping on their heads all the time.

BTW a bunch of people left for GW2, D3, TESO, WoW, LoL etc, guess what? they all came back LMAO, there is no other game like ROM, if Gameforge does recoded it and it works, well kudos to them.

Why would they be forced to find something else to play? How do you propose to play rom if the servers are offline for 2-3 weeks? Players will spread out to other games. Sure they MIGHT come back, but with the slew of new titles coming out that are better (and far less expensive), why would players want to come back to rom for anything other than friends? [removed]. Not everyone feels the same about rom that you do. Many players are frustrated, upset about the cost of the game and just plain tired of the 15 crashes per hour feature rom has had for almost 5 years now.

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the secrecy comes from this fact alone

1) Game announces new feature which players are really looking forward to
2) people get all excited keep playin in anticipation
3) some programming problem prevents them from implementing it either a) on time, or b) at all.
4) Players rage quit, because lets be honest, we aren't the most forgiving with stuff like that. It causes huge rifts that may not have existed before.
5) game would have been better off if they never said anything.


This is why they don't tell us all their plans ahead of time. Example:


if they were to announce a MASSIVE scout overhaul, people might start getting a scout, or spend money on their scouts. They end up not doing the overhaul... you will have threads for years about how they promised and never gave it.

It can also be that RW isn't releasing the info to GF until close to the release date.. so may not be GF's fault at all.


The biggest problem with this game is that RW codes/designs and GF markets it... most of our problems I think would be fixed if GF bought RW and started telling them what to do and firing people for not doing it.

I do remember a GM or CM saying that RW doesn't give GF any info ahead of time for content releases.

Please keep this thread on topic and stop singling each other out. Another interesting discussion we have here but if this thread is just going to turn into insults and such we'll be forced to close and infractions WILL be handed out.

Thank you.

It would be a great help if management ever gave us some idea what was going on and what its plans for the future were (not some poorly written indefinite press release that actually says nothing). As long as they remain silent it is reasonable to come to the conclusion they have no plans for the future and the game has no future.
This game has one major problem that costs nothing to fix and would increase players and player happiness that is GOOD COMMUNICATIONS. The current state where the only communications we get about the game and the future from management are some substantiated rumors form GMs who are trying to do their best to help but actually are only making it worse.

Also people complain about crashes etc, well i run 6 clients on my computer, got 60FPS at max resolution, i crash twice a day, mainly before, in or after siege. The time i might crash ingame is when i starat porting from one place to another. Apart from that crashes are rare for me and most my guildies.

Clean up your computers, defrag it, antivirus it, spybot it, check the paste between your CPU and main cooling fan, check CPU temp, these are easy to do by yourselves and will eliminate some of the issues you might have. Easy to blame the publisher for all the crashing, not as easy to accept part of the blame why you are crashing. Easy to complain on issues that might be caused by yourselves, but a lot easier to blame everyone else in the world for your problems.

aardvark i agree with your post, we asked for more communications, ThePit said we would have it and we are still left in the dark, please GM's get us more communication from Gameforge and get ThePit to move his arse please on this issue ;-) tyvm

Quoted from "zidlef"

, i crash twice a day, mainly before, in or after siege.

Thats the problem.. NO other mmo crashes like ROM. NONE, NOTTA, ZERO.. Even with multiple clients running. and a lot of people that play cant afford a monster system that can do all that and hold 60fps. You have to cater to the masses not to the wealthy in order to do bussiness. And the masses cant afford that machine.

Quoted from "zidlef"

Also people complain about crashes etc, well i run 6 clients on my computer, got 60FPS at max resolution, i crash twice a day, mainly before, in or after siege. The time i might crash ingame is when i starat porting from one place to another. Apart from that crashes are rare for me and most my guildies.

Quoted from "zidlef"

Clean up your computers, defrag it, antivirus it, spybot it, check the paste between your CPU and main cooling fan, check CPU temp, these are easy to do by yourselves and will eliminate some of the issues you might have. Easy to blame the publisher for all the crashing, not as easy to accept part of the blame why you are crashing. Easy to complain on issues that might be caused by yourselves, but a lot easier to blame everyone else in the world for your problems.

Quoted from "zidlef"

aardvark i agree with your post, we asked for more communications, ThePit said we would have it and we are still left in the dark, please GM's get us more communication from Gameforge and get ThePit to move his arse please on this issue ;-) tyvm

No one any longer believes ThePit exists. Just an unsubstantiated rumor that faded away like the latest bigfoot sighting.

just like every bunch of politicians they come in swearing up and down they going to do great things.... they do a couple good things to back it up, then fade away and disappear from public eye till reelection

I would argue that RoM should have died long ago. That it didn't is proof positive of just how much fun and downright addictive this game is.

We have had bad management, horrible management, no management at all, and finally, decent management. We have had zero advertising for years. We have what I would argue is the HIGHEST cost in any current MMO. We have buggy content, bad content, badly-translated lore, etc etc etc.

And yet, we're still buying and still playing. Obviously, Runewaker did something right.

I agree with Mr Pushpop that we're in the decline phase, and really, we have been since about the end of Chapter 5. I don't say that to scare anyone away; just like Pushpop said, it's a perfectly natural phase in any game's life. RoM has had a good long run- way better than what they have deserved, that's for sure. And like Pushpop said, there's no foregone conclusion that the decline has to even lead to some kind of horrible death. Look how far the management has come, just in the little time since Saito took over. If they could just get a handle on advertising, content and costs, I think we could have a real chance at a rebirth phase.

I know I harp and harp about this, but to retain the current population, we need good content and lower costs. Those two things are key. And, Pushpop, I know you want a prediction based on the status quo, but I want to quote Dr. Horrible here, and say that the status is not quo. I personally don't want to look at our future assuming the status is quo, cause the status quo sucks. We need them to continue improving. @Aspho, I would say that while most people *can* afford $20 per month, they shouldn't be expected to pay $20. Games with MUCH more content, MUCH more responsive customer service and developers *cough WoW cough* only cost $15 per month, so RoM really shouldn't expect more than $10 or so out of us.

If they can get a grip on costs, if they can get RW to improve content, if they can do those things- then I would say Reni has more than a couple of good years left in it. It helps that we have good people who work together well, despite the inevitable server drama. We might fight on the forums, but Reni is by far the most sociable, helpful server, with some of the best and kindest people on it.

I hope for the best and kinda expect the worst. But, it is what it is, just like everything else in life. Long live RoM!

I said it before and i will say it again

RENI ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It happened to the AU already and will happen elsewhere too.

The game needs a cost overhaul, sure i could probably level and gear up quicker than I did the first time around, but after being endgame i know too well the actual cost of getting back to endgame. The reality is if the game was cheaper I would start again and while there are many enjoyable things in rom that don't require you to be endgame to do, they just aren't the things I want to do.

That being said its been over a year now I think since I left and I'm yet to find another game I enjoyed as much as I did this one.

sometimes, i wish i had numbers of players connected ( from different IP ) for each server, and check the progression over years.

just read all the posts, from what i remember

this game it s fun,first time i played, i felt in love, it s a fact, but , u have to admit , this game is expensive.

just my opinion, having to spend REAL money ( aka purie, plussing gems in ITEM SHOP ) is kinda, hmm, costy.
people can say,, u can buy dias from players with gold = ok , someone spent REAL money
Item shop = REAL money
NPC dont sell purie , plussing gems, abl, and all the others must have items for game currency = real money
again, just my opinion, IS aint supposed to sell stuff u MUST have in order to progress in the game , just FUN stuff, like, costumes, colors , names changer, transformation pot, etc etc

and i dont know how long time can an expensive game survives,


i went to forum when i stoped playing teh game 2 months ago ( i play since chapter 1 )
and i dont really feel like keep going if this game goes any more expensive.


dont mistake me
i loved this game, once , meant the world to me, now, just not worth fighting for .

Where does it say "IS aint supposed to sell stuff u MUST have in order to progress in the game , just FUN stuff, like, costumes, colors , names changer, transformation pot, etc etc"? I have never read anything stating that "no game should have an IS that only sells.....". MOST games you pay per month. This one you don't. How else do you expect the game to make money? Sell stuff! Now how do you make sure you make enough to keep servers up? You DONT only sell stuff that people can do without. Or else you end up with a game full of people NOT spending money... and the company loses money and the game shuts down.

Now it is TOO expensive. But that is a content design flaw, not an IS format issue. People WANT T8 clean gear, cause they want to do the instances. If T8 wasn't required to run something, how many of those people would still do it?

Sorry but if you played from Chapter 1, they haven't changed puris not being avail out of IS, they didn't move items into the IS that used to cost gold. So the problem isn't the design. These items being sold for RL dollars is NOT the problem. It is the cost of each item or the content requirements.


Troubleshoting 101, when a problem arises, First question: what has changed. The items sold in the IS have always been sold in the IS, some of their prices (puris) have gone down even (used to be 38 dia a piece), some have gone up. So what has changed? The content requires more plussing than Chapter 1 content, requires better stat choices, requires higher tier weapons. So the thing that has changed is the number 1 problem. Used to only have 6 man instances... in chapter 1. Lets not attack what is sold for RL dollars and start to address the problem where it really is:


If the content is so hard people feel they need another tier, or +20 gear, then that will become the norm. Thus increasing the cost of the game. How many people you know would just stop +16ing gear if they thought it wouldn't matter in their guilds runs?

yey i hit a spot

finally ONE people saying the issue comes from the content.


i know IS sell stuff for RL money, i know it since chapter 1, was paying it cos didnt cost much, and stuff blablalba

when i said teh game content is too hard, kind of EVERYBODY and i mean it , answer, go farm bag stats, do minis, do dailies, sell the unneeded stats in AH , yes the UNEEDED stats NO ONE NEED..... bablablalblalballbla

now that i swap to " IS sell stuff NEEDED for RL money " at least ONE person admits the issue comes from game content

i reached my goal

sorry Dkjester for baiting, and thanks for takin the bait.
ah btw, i know at least 6 free mmorpgs ( Aion, Rift, Tera, Kalonline, Knight Ascension ) in wich IS doesnt sell MUST have items,only fun stuff, or greedy stuff , just saying.

Rift sells gear... so I don't know what you are talking about there....

The others I don't have personal information, but rift sells full out and out gear.

No need to apologize for the baiting.. I have believed this was the problem with the game going on ... 3 years now lol. Lots didn't like me saying it neither here on the forums.

Quoted from "Dkjester"

Rift sells gear... so I don't know what you are talking about there....

True, but the best gear still drops inside the dungeons.

ooh, i know some guildmates told me , RIft sell gear, but they also tell me i dont need to buy them from Is, unless am lazy, else, just get it from dungeons ... never mentioned for how long th o, but sounded like easy, jsut dungeon, and u ll have it, no worry , well, as much as i remember.

but hey !
rift sell gear, but not MUST have gear.. the point wasnt sellin gear or not, u tried to bait me !!!

rift sells gear, but as long as players are totally legally in the right to NOT BUY a single stuff from Is, and still kissing and hugging mobs and dungeons, can say the game is FREE TO WIN

i do love ROM, but, honestly, since we agree taht this game content is kinda issue ish , from the bottom of our hearts
we can say, if we refuse to use anything from IS, we FAILED the game !! anyone who refuses to use at least 2 items from IS ( puries and plussing gems above 6 or , yea, 6 , should keep playing rom, or go somwhere else?

i have a suggestion for ROM, make it a pay to play game, i d prefer, buy it once, 50 USD or so, but no month rent, kinda horrible
but REMOVE the need for puries, plussing gems....please ... make it so, dirty stated dungeon stats , gear + 3 ( npc allows +3 fairly easy imo ) are as good as teh current full purie stats + 16 plz. also remove the trash stats, and only keep STR/pa DEX/pa WIS/ma INT/ma Stam/pa.ma removes all teh other stats, thanks
oh well, am willing to pay 10 usd per month, if plussin and purie are totally UNEEDED, are something that doesnt even exist
OR, purie go following my NPC puricharge suggestion ( in suggestion thread )

How could the DE/EU servers (idk which 1 it was) open new servers while AU/US is all slowly declining.....what do they have that brings people in that we don't?