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while it would be nice to see golden eggs unbound once more it won't happen do to people would bot it again.

the rest though is long overdo.

I think PAC put the end to the pet gathering expansion. Don't expect to see it.

Agree with Atrie on eggs. Probably less of an issue now, because GF is pretty generous with pet-helpful events, including egg events.

And, yes, pet leveling items are overpriced in item shop now. Was semi-reasonable when dias were cheap, now not so much.

Quoted from "zidlef"

Well we can only get one golden egg per day now, cant' we ?? they fixed that in one of the patches, so botting would not be an issue i think anymore.

u can get one BOUND golden egg per day, yes. this is not a problem.

if u unbind pet eggs, botting will start all over again, either for personal abuse or mass gold making

pet eggs should stay as they r atm. the IS pet stuff yes they need to be cut off by at least 75% off price, since they r just useless atm on that cost

Golden eggs can be farmed with program, that will relog through 1000 accounts and create 1 egg and mail it?!

Are you sure unbounding them will not hurt anyone?

Golden eggs can still be traded on PVP servers FYI. We don't see much botting on them either.

Forget miller's farm. Make it a gold sink.


X amount of gold gives you a chance at some items, including golden eggs. They can make it all center around pets.

5 million gets you a chance at 30 eggs, 3 powerful exp pots, ... etc. Once a day


The problem with this idea is that the rich will be able to afford it, while others will be SoL.

I think something does need to change, like a perma event or something. Cause I know this last event got most of our chars 50+ pets with maxxed skills, but it isn't like that is something most can do.

Well, I do like the idea of unbound golden eggs. I don't think it's that important, though: we do get regular events where we can get lots of golden eggs. If we keep getting these, unbinding eggs is not that important imho. Although, GF started organizing the golden egg events because otherwise they are now ridiculously difficult to get in the amounts needed to level a pet. The request to unbind the eggs is quite reasonable: imagine that there are no golden-egg handouts; in half a year you'll get 100 threads on the forum asking "so how do I improve my pet?". I do not like that strong a dependency on the events!


But the actual reason I'm writing this post is that I really absolutely do _not_ get the argument about the bots. Not a single bit. So I'm curious if there is more that I don't see.

I don't think this would happen but: imagine achilleas1 and RoMage were right, and there would be a million new toons botting the hens. The eggs would then be cheap on AH for everyone to buy, right? You are right, you would not be able to farm manually and get reasonable profit. But ... you can't do this now anyway!

So if you compared that new situation with our current situation:
* in both situations a real player doesn't get a way to get profit from farming eggs;
* but with unbound eggs ppl would get access to the golden eggs on AH, for example;
* with unbound eggs: if you needed eggs and noone were selling - you could farm some eggs on multiple toons;
* and you could trade your (event or farmed) golden eggs from a toon that does not need them to one that does.
So why the unbound eggs would be worse than the _current_ situation (even if there was a million bots)???

Some bots are hurting players, some bots are hurting GF. Right, the hen bots (if there were any) would not "feel right". But other than the feeling - who cares? If GF ever stops organizing golden-egg events, unbound eggs would still simply be better than what we have now (even if there were bots). The only one hurt might be GF, not selling much of the IS pet stuff; but again, if you compared this with _current_ situation, they are not selling much now anyway, so it's not like they would loose much by introducing unbound golden eggs, would they?

I simply really hate it when someone makes a theoretical argument based on a "feeling" rather than looking at practical terms what the consequences would be.

I think unbound eggs would actually be mostly useful for ppl who already got the eggs from the events on one toon but play now another toon more and would benefit from the eggs more if they could be sent to this other toon. And I think we have eggs enough from the events, so I personally don't expect the eggs to be so profitable to really trigger a lot of botting (and if it did and this was a problem - zid is right imho, GF could trace it down; although my bet is - it won't be worth the effort).

So again - RoMage, even if there were some hen bots, so what? How (for whom? in what scenario?) this would be worse than what we have _now_?

PS: I can see one dangerous scenario, though. It has nothing to do with bots, by the way. Imagine there was an event where you could trade something for golden eggs (or even get the eggs for free). If the eggs were unbound - people would use such event on 1000 toons and then send the eggs to one toon to make a super-pet, lvl 100 or whatever. This would be a danger indeed. So if golden eggs got unbound we should never again get a handout of golden eggs.

Quoted from "Uure"

So if golden eggs got unbound we should never again get a handout of golden eggs.

that is so true.
unbound eggs = infinite supply of golden eggs via 45435135435 trash/exploit-accounts
this has already happened in the past and noone apart from the exploiters themselves approves it

I really don't see how unbinding golden eggs would be a problem. If someone wants to make 1000 accounts to get one egg on each, that sounds like a really slow and really stupid thing to bot. I'd think if botters did a time comparison with probably anything they'd find it to be...less than ideal and stick to dog meat or whatever else they do.

As for "exploiting" events, how would this even be on the same level as people making a ton of accounts to get hundreds of PoMs during that event. In my opinion, id say the value of a POM >> a golden egg, and I didn't see all that much complaining during the event, just lots of happy people congratulation GF for getting something right.

This is also coming from someone who has had a pet with maxed out skills for years, so I really have no stakes in trying to make this happen.

unbound golden eggs was one of the best things that RW/GF took away, for obvious reasons.

i don't know a single person that didn't at least use some botted golden eggs to level their pet until the garden and gm events came around. it was really the only way to do it back then, when leveling it by millers cake cost 200m+, and people with 100m were considered "rich". heck, even if u got golden eggs from AH, most likely they were botted.

that being said, if the gm events continue, and pet xp/training orbs stay in IS and for events, there is no real reason for golden eggs to be unbound, unless you want to amass them on many alts to send to main.


however, i also agree 100% with the person who said that dependency on events is not really a fix(sorry, forgot who, and too lazy to go check, but credit goes to whoever that was). if there was another way to get golden eggs(maybe for gold, as was suggested), then they should stay bound. that being said, i agree with zid. as the GAME model(excluding events/gm presents, etc) is currently, golden eggs being bound is just a nuisance, and greatly impedes the ability to level a pet.

you also have to look at it this way: if golden eggs were unbound, and you wanted to level a pet, farming millers ranch on 80 million alts will just have to be added to the laundry list of chores that are already essentially required for any progression in this game, which, is going the exact opposite direction many of us want the game to go.

my proposal: keep golden eggs bound, but implement something such that they are easier to get. for example, have an easy lay reward 10 golden eggs/day instead of 1, or a golden egg is rewarded for ALL miller's farm quests(1 egg per quest per day ofc). heck, even make golden eggs drop into your bag as you catch a cavy, as in each cavy caught(pet egg) comes with 1 golden egg. yes, there is farming potential for those go-getter players, but i really do not think botting would be an issue, as i doubt you could make cavy-catching bot very successfully, as it actually requires planning and flexibility(essentially requires you to think).

Quoted from "Uure"

PS: I can see one dangerous scenario, though. It has nothing to do with bots, by the way. Imagine there was an event where you could trade something for golden eggs (or even get the eggs for free). If the eggs were unbound - people would use such event on 1000 toons and then send the eggs to one toon to make a super-pet, lvl 100 or whatever. This would be a danger indeed. So if golden eggs got unbound we should never again get a handout of golden eggs.

Really high level pet is NOT as issue by the way. Max level your pet can be is the same level as your character, so currently lvl 85 is max pet level. As for 'super pet' that really isn't the case either, their stats don't scale as they get a higher level, just seems to continue rising at the same rate, making a level 85-90 pet extremely....underwhelming.

A level 89 Holy Dark pet (yehh...was too lazy to get the last lvl to 90 >.<) Gives 1871 Dex as main stat. That's only 800 more than a level 50 Holy Dark.

As as for simple comparisons, to go from lvl 89 - 90 it takes 943,440 XP. So just to get that 1 level you would need 9,434 Golden eggs OR 94,344 Miller's Special Cake (which in regards to gold cost is 330,204,000 for just ONE level).

As for that thread about pet buffs...only way that could be possible is if the pets stats were actually edited with some cheat because naturally a pet gives next to nothing past level 50.

Badges of the Trial are bound so in that regard....who cares. And if they don't have Iron Blood Will before starting to do that then its a huge waste of Badges anyway.