Runes of Magic US / AU

Phirus shells as a reward to the high level character for helping out in a higher version of the honor party might be nice.

Current honor party is supposed to be for level 50+ characters to help out level 1-30 characters with certain epic quest and get rewards in the form of spirit points, which buy permanent attribute increases or some talent points.

Proposed higher version would be for level 90+ characters to help out mid level characters(level 55-70) with the magical reconstruction quest series(toni and morrick quest line/aka main questline) on Zandorya(Thunderhoof hills to Tergothen Bay)

Im f2p and dont get more than 2 hours a night but i really dont mind that i have to work for my gear etc, I will say though that as i hit lvl 55 it has slowly started becoming a real slog in questing to lvl up.

Some new members just want everything handed to them, i've met brand new players (not alts) in Logar at lvl 1 who haven't done a single quest not even the house/ah ones. They ask for powerlevel gold and old gear etc. When i asked 1 player why he doesn't just you know.....play the game his/her reply was they just want to immediately get yo the good stuff which they obviously dont listen when you tell them they just wont be ready for that.

Maybe holding more timed events like the pom one but for shells where you can get double for a week or something, but if you just handed everything out on a plate im not sure is a good idea, f2p should have to work for their gear, its an mmo and meant to be played over a long period of time after all.

But good idea in principle OP.

Quoted from "Zarane"

Im f2p and dont get more than 2 hours a night but i really dont mind that i have to work for my gear etc, I will say though that as i hit lvl 55 it has slowly started becoming a real slog in questing to lvl up.

Some new members just want everything handed to them, i've met brand new players (not alts) in Logar at lvl 1 who haven't done a single quest not even the house/ah ones. They ask for powerlevel gold and old gear etc. When i asked 1 player why he doesn't just you know.....play the game his/her reply was they just want to immediately get yo the good stuff which they obviously dont listen when you tell them they just wont be ready for that.

But good idea in principle OP.

People want to level up to get into the high level instances because 'they're more fun' I always found that running FA and similar at level was just as much fun as any of the high levels.

I tend to agree, people should have to put some effort into the game. As you say, an event would be nice. But as a full time thing it could hurt the game.

I am 100% with refugee...

older instances ftw!


that being said, ruisen has a good idea here. one of the recurring complaints about RoM is it being too grindy to gear. put some of the gearing into the questing part, kill 2 birds with 1 stone.

Well first off, if someone starts to play the game, gets into a nice guild that is helpful, they can get a decent weapon T5 clean stated to help them out, which will prevent them from dying. Then they can use buff towers in the guild castles for the extra boost. I started with nothing from scratch and enjoyed all the zones except AV, never liked that place, but still they can get help for them to know if they like it and not having to spend a dime until much higher levels.

Giving new players everything easy is not gonna help them in the long run or even the servers as a whole. Ya you gotta grind, farm, quest etc part of the game. Crafting, gathering is also part of the game and a fun part at that, that will also get gold from it. Lots of good gold to be made if you want to put time into the game.

New players need to appreciate the game, this game is not only for PvP or siege an hour a day, there is more to it then what some people might think.

i totally agree that there is much more to this game than most people actually play, however, zid, if there is more to this game than what different people play for, then stop condemning those who enjoy the game for something other than you do.

I'd disagree with keeping the game harder to gear though. right now, gearing is a chore, even compared to other games. 90% of it can be done solo, yet requires alot of time that could be spent interacting with other people. heck, almost every other game requires group work to gear.

a cheaper game(both time and money wise) brings more people. we NEED people. you can't have guilds without population. while reni/Artemis/osha may be doing fine, many other servers do not have the people for more than a couple large guilds and a slew of small ones. heck, some bearly fill 2 guilds. the older players cannot carry the entire newbie population if we want the server numbers to grow. its just not a sustainable model.

while artemis/osha/reni may be fine, other servers aren't. take a look around outside your respective server if you don't believe me.

Quoted from "ruisen2000"

assuming that you get crap stats only 50% of the time

can you pull all my stats for me? seriously. 50% is very generous.

i agree for the most part on everything ruisen.

Well i gave away about 250M worht of stats and 400M worth of gear to guildies in the last 2 weeks, so ya i do my share, that is apart from the gold i gave them and guild contributions.

The servers that are dead, well the economy might sucks on other servers, but as i always said, treat people fairly, troll nicely and enjoy yourselves, wanna be a jerk, troll badly and mean and basicly be an arse to people, well reputation goes a long way in life and games. They should look at themselves and see how they messed it up in the first place and look in the mirror of who is responsible.

Many good people on the servers but when you burn them out and laugh at their faces all the time, well, what goes around comes around, just grow up

just gonna quote epica for a sec...it really sums up most of what i see on the forums...





zid, i have no issue with people being nice, i am not saying we should all be jerks to each other. if that is what i am coming off as, i apologize to everybody. all i am saying is a system in which the endgamers("successful" players) are REQUIRED to help gear new players is destined to fail. if something like ch4 happened again, and a large portion of endgamers("successful" players) quit again, the game would simply grind to a halt. without the ability for individuals to gear themselves, or even with people of the same ability to collectively improve, there is absolutely no way to recover from a catastrophic loss of population like that.

yes, endgamers should help newbies, thats just being a good person. i am not arguing that. i am arguing the fact that without endgame help, the solo path, or even a collection of noobs, is extremely difficult in this game. not because of the inability to do content, just due to the enormous resources/time required for it. sure, you can have 6 noobs join the game, get to level cap, grind shells/tokens to gear themselves for an easymode instance, then farm more stats/gear, then use those to farm more stats/gear...etc...until they get to endgame. yes, it's possible. but what are the chances that those 6 noobs are gonna get bored, and then just go to another game where they can just go from questing -> easy/normal instance -> endgame in a fraction of the time.

yes a guild accelerates the time it takes to gear/level, etc...thats not the problem. the problem is the model you are suggesting(which is scarily similar to the current model) puts the sole responsibility on the current players to gear(retain) the newer players in a timely fashion, in a way such that they do not feel like drilling out their eyes and pouring molten lead in the sockets.

you can already see how the lack of players has completely blocked the progression of entire servers.

Well keep on relying on just endgamers you end up for a total failure. People have to learn to play together, i have said it many times on Reni and people are getting what i was getting at for the last 3 years, you do not have to be in the same guild to run stuff, do hardmode instances etc, for me loyalty is key, to your guild and friends in game, i prefer to have 30 small guilds than 3 major ones. Why would we need endgamers to get all the stuff we need? people just gotta get up their arses and run stuff, PUG's were meant to participate and run instances, not being run through and just watching and getting free stuff.

The people that are being jerks in game are a small percentage of endgamers that tries to be demeaning to smaller guilds, trying to discourage them and having their best players leave for their guild. We can achieve great things as a server, we should learn to stand up for what we believe in and make them swallow all the spewing they do to others. Funny how we can clear GCH in 15-20 minutes now, ya old instance, no one runs it anymore blablabla, well i don't see any endgame guild running it for lower people. Why? control the economy, control the chats and make sure no one thinks they are able to run without them.

Many like Sadakko, Castle, Wrathbringer, Sperlie etc always told me i could tank anything, if i take my time and learn my class, well they were right, not perfect but i just want to complete all instances. I still learn a bit more everyday, die and try again, as all the people that run with us. I reached out to other players in different guilds to run GCH for their quests and set-skills, to show them how, strat and so they will be able to do it with their respective guilds.

Cike you hold endgamers on a pedestal and you are only holding their spit bucket, at least from my soap box all is clear. I respect a lot of endgamers on Reni, they are mostly nice, helpful and understand what i mean. Heretic is a guild that should be respected a lot, for holding themselves together throughout the years and not disappearing because on drama, they have been here and i hope they will be for a long time. We are trying to achieve the same goal, put a solid, fun, friendly type guild while respecting the others on the server.

This game is about grinding, learning and farming, if you havent gotten that for the time you have been playing, you never got the basic of the game. Nothing is free in life. And it is the current players responsabilities that when new players show up on the server, to guide them, answer their questions and be helpful so they can enjoy their experience in the game. Ignore them, be rude to them or not havng time is not gonna work, only the players can do that, not Gameforge. They can have incentive like , free mounts, free wings etc that is what got me into the game, but if it wasn't for players like the ones mentionned above, i would probably have left a long time ago too.

substitute endgamer for established player in all of my posts. maybe I was not clear and misused the term "endgame".

zid, I only hold endgamers in such high esteem because the game needs them. just like i hold the f2p, p2w, casual gamers, new players, and any other way you can think do divide players, in such high esteem. I believe I have done my fair share of discussing/representing MANY aspects of the game and the players that partake in them, yet endgame just continuously gets drug up because lately it has been very controversial. no player is more important than any other. THAT is what I have been stressing. you want to drag groups of players through the mud, I sure as heck am going to try and list some redeeming qualities. you just like to bash endgame, thus, I have to continuously support endgame. its really getting old zid.

that being said I have unfortunately derailed yet another thread unintentionally. ruisen, pm me if you want me to stay out of your thread.

have a good day zid, I will restrain from responding to your posts in the future. it gets neither of us anywhere and a whole bunch of work for the mods.

I think a better way to help new players and GF is to have all instances drop p-tokens once per day at level. +/- 5 levels would be what I would consider at level. If there is anyone in the party higher or lower than that when entering the instance, the last boss will not drop tokens.

P-tokens are bound and shop items can't be gifted so it benefits the player. Player gets used to using the shop and sees the cool diamond shop portion and eventually buys diamonds, so win for GF.

Ycavan that is a great idea for the P-tokens, they can't be used except for said account and would benefit new players greatly.

Well they are so many nice and nicer endgamers on Reni but you have those special ones. Those are the ones that makes server look bad and make new players crindge when they see them in world chat. I don't bash all endgamers like you try to say once again, still not reading fully the phrases and paragraphs.

You want new players to come and stay to play, well show them a good time, guide them and make them feel welcome. Gameforge as i said, can give incentive with free stuff like we used to have 3 years plus ago, only good thing Frogster ever did. But it all comes down to the community as a whole to help themselves to make the game survive. Talking about other games that are so great, and they have this and they have that, just seems that they aren't that good if they come and post it on these forums ,loll.


BTW when i see videos of those guilds doing Grotto hardmode and killing bosses within 9 seconds, i see somewhat of what is wrong with the game. Those instances are way too easy, nothing should be that easy to kill on hardmode latest instances, especially after that selling gear at 200M per whe nit takes less than 12 seconds to kill, loll. No strat nothing just full burn, pretty sad.

Cike It's ok if you have nothing else to add to the discussion, i understand.

Quoted from "ruisen2000"

because the game doesn't prepare you with the gear you need to transition you from questing to doing dungeons

ruisen ,u have no idea
how much i love u, u have NO idea, i looovee uuuu

Quoted from "zidlef"

BTW when i see videos of those guilds doing Grotto hardmode and killing bosses within 9 seconds, i see somewhat of what is wrong with the game. Those instances are way too easy, nothing should be that easy to kill on hardmode latest instances, especially after that selling gear at 200M per whe nit takes less than 12 seconds to kill, loll. No strat nothing just full burn, pretty sad.

GF, or RW, wants teh game to be " burn burn burn " so, players will focus on gear gear gear = puries, pluss stones, abl , golden hammer maybe

and all the people who are buying non stopy purie puries puries, pluss pluss pluss pluss stones, are simply and honestly tellin GF RW ROM, to make the game goin this way . They dont want strat or whatever taht will make their purie , pluss stones, non worthy.
money = power , no conditions allowed.

First off, mhh Jo is you H key misplaced on your keyboard??

I used the TH or Varanas set for gear until i reached 55 and it worked fine for me questing and instances back in the day. Now new players still have access to those and plus they can get bag stats XII for cheap and gear up with that till they get higher, than puri that gear and put the same tier stones on higher gear, rinse and repeat till they get to their final set of gear. Cheap effective which we didn't have back in the day. New players today have it real easy compared to 2009 loll, so long ago.

BTW ABL, puries etc will continue to sell no matter what, not only endgamers uses them lol. BTW money is power?? really??? which country is the most in debt in the whole world? which country, if people would recall all their loans made to that country would be bankcrupt within 2 minutes? Money = power is just a facade of power, true power remains dormant and pull the strings in the background. I got money so i got control, LOL you so funny.

I do agree with a lot of what you say Zid about certain endgamers as it happens on my server.......

We have a nice friendly guild where we have stuck together from the off, despite it being easier to just join a guild that would probably give me lots more help. We have had 3 members who left for big guilds and now they regret it because after a few weeks they were left by the wayside as other new members were feted. One guild asked me to merge and the conditions were i would do all the guild work, they kept their name and all my members would start as new so not to upset their current members, considering we had double the amount of members i couldn't believe the cheek. It was basically i'll take the workload while he and his members were free to play the game.

I've been run with other noobs for gear in Hos and the player who took us did so for us, we were joined by another high lvl player who instantly blew up because 2 of us had rolled on a chain item she needed for her 3rd class, there was no talking to her and the other player with me left the game because of this incident. But you also forget we do want to learn and help, its great when someone runs us for gear and we get stuff to help with later questing but because most people just burn its all over before we know whats happened.

But there are also a few good members who are willing to help, Cike for a start has done much for myself and our guild. He started a toon on my server and joined our guild and has explained a lot of stuff we really didn't have a clue about. Sadly we were a collection of players who just had had enough of elitist idiots and started our guild to allow players to have a nice atmosphere and to play the game how they want.

Sadly some players forget that they themselves were new and clueless once but there are some still left who try to help, nevertheless i feel there is no middle ground in this game atm, we cant afford the prices on my server for silly scammy gear in the ah. Gear plussed to 1-3 with 2 or 3 random X-XII stats and golden hammered costing 20m plus.........I have seen level 7 logar gear cape with 5 stats from bags all different and no use to a single class....,asking price 70m...........These players who moan and profess to love the game are also the ones using alts to do this.

P-tokens is a great idea as is the OP's shell idea if implemented correctly, an even better idea is to somehow get a dia npc back that cant be farmed by countless alts and even at small amounts, this could help bring down dia prices which are needed for some progress imo. If not working dia solution which GF said they were working on over a year ago then shells/tokens etc have to be looked at again.

Quoted from "zidlef"

I used the TH or Varanas set for gear until i reached 55 and it worked fine for me questing and instances back in the day. Now new players still have access to those and plus they can get bag stats XII for cheap and gear up with that till they get higher, than puri that gear and put the same tier stones on higher gear, rinse and repeat till they get to their final set of gear. Cheap effective which we didn't have back in the day. New players today have it real easy compared to 2009 loll, so long ago.

"until i reached 55". then u use quests items ( armor and weapons) to get to 85 ? wow, u r amazing man, u r GOD. G O D ! GOD.
btw, to get to 55 is easy , gear and quests wise.so, never ever again,and i mean n e v e r mention 55 ever again, u r just not admitting gearing is expensive. anything u say must only concern gearing from 60 to 85 with no money and no help, the same way u did from 1 to 55.well 1 to 50 is more fair. oh well, u did level 1 to 85 and got ur current gear with no help and 0 money spent since u r GOD.

Quoted from "zidlef"

BTW ABL, puries etc will continue to sell no matter what, not only endgamers uses them lol. BTW money is power?? really??? which country is the most in debt in the whole world? which country, if people would recall all their loans made to that country would be bankcrupt within 2 minutes? Money = power is just a facade of power, true power remains dormant and pull the strings in the background. I got money so i got control, LOL you so funny.

puries, etc, will continue to sell no matter what, becos dirty stats since level 55 ish are not allowed.

money is power is a facade i know, why the hell are u telling me this? i should be the one telling u this
and i DID say money is power, i SAID it,and imma repeat, MONEY IS POWER, but i guess, u dont see what i mean, since u can t see my smile and my wink while saying this.

i love when people giving me lessons about economy, but well, guess it s my fault for saying it this way, i guess i shd stop being ironic and just speak honestly, but no, i can t live if i dont deceive people, i m bad i know.

anyway, zid, YOU r right, and i m wrong. after al, u r GOD, and am just a bad human.

long live to Zid, may ur reign comes down to Earth,
give us ur guidance, oh wise GOD.

What in the world is going on with this thread