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Tuesday, June 10th 2014, 11:48pm

Instance runs?

Having now leveled a toon on a different server I am again faced with the same issues that seem to plague most, if not all, servers and that is that far too few players actually run instances.

Thankfully there seems to be at least 1-2 guilds on each server that keep the AH stocked with some newer content gear. Besides these few folks, the majority of players I have seen run anything at all seem to focus the majority of their attention soloing content for mems or running content that is 30 levels lower than their current level (hos/hodl/zs spams anyone?)

My question to the community is this: Is this simply the way the game is now? Are most players genuinely happy with the way
instances are run right now or are there others, like me, wondering what the heck is going on with instance runs and how do we fix it?

Thanks for reading. Let’s not make this a flame/troll fest please folks. Constructive feedback/comments are always welcome :)
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Tuesday, June 10th 2014, 11:55pm

Lots of us agree with you. Many of us have posted ways to improve instance running. I personally have brought up more ideas than I care to count about how to fix them. What you are saying is the way it has been for a while.

Few guilds run the best content, then sell the gear (for whatever they see fit), these people can then afford diamonds for their gear. People that want to be somewhat well geared, or want to try to get their guild to that point spend lots of gold/sell lots of diamonds to try to reach running it themselves, or just to strive to be more powerful. Some do it in hopes to get in one of these guilds.

This is why a lot of us here try to get it changed. There are many posts (a lot by me) about how easy instances aren't "easy" enough for the casual player, how lower content needs to scale to be WAY easier to run when level cap raises, and how hard modes really are there for 2% of the population or less.


I agree with you and I have championed the idea that this will be one of the things that will lead to the games death. In other games 10-15 levels higher than a dungeon usually means you can solo it. This game.. not so much, not even guaranteed to be able to solo easy versions, let alone full blow versions.


Some here don't believe this needs to be changed, but some do.

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Wednesday, June 11th 2014, 12:07am

^+1 . KBN hard is insanely hard considering it is a lvl 75 instance. I mean, im not saying people should just 1-hit/K0 everything but even for a 12-man well-geared raid it is somewhat difficult. Another part is simply the lack of player base. It is very hard to get 12 people well-equipped to run anything. As a result, when you do get the 12, they mostly go for newer content. Nobody wants to run Aeternal Circle, KBN, or even Bedim for stuff because quite simply the gear and stats are getting old. If they do run it, its mostly for helping low level guildies with quests/some gear but even on easy it is not a 1-man show.

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Wednesday, June 11th 2014, 1:30am

Well we run those on Reni, in guild and pug groups, lots of fun actually, we got the strat for Jenny, mainly that is the instance that gives us the most issues loll, but learning, dying and rinse and repeat. But don't look for the top 2 guild on the servers to run stuff for you, even quests.

Get smaller guilds to help out, we do it and it's fun, ya issues happens, sometimes drama, but we still manage to do it either way ;-)

We don't burn bosses in 15 seconds like those guilds but at least we do strats and learn the instances.

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Wednesday, June 11th 2014, 1:38am

Totally agree Zid, I solo most of the time due to time zones but when in guild asked we will run any instance we can, my thing is like to run stuff at level to learn the strats for each, when was the last time anyone ran TT at level, die alot true but you do learn how to clear without the burn baby burn :)
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Wednesday, June 11th 2014, 1:43am

general agreement with all the posts above...especially DK...

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Wednesday, June 11th 2014, 7:39pm

Almost every instance can be soloed on ez at level. those that can't other then HOS colors boss, can be duoed dps/healer(this includes 2nd boss bedim)
As to runs, well other then Tosh which i still find fun, and run for set skills, Lower level ones can be a bit boring. Especially if you didn't care for them much in the first place.

If you walk into an instance take gch or even Aeternal Circle on normal , which i seen mentioned in post above, and simply solo the bosses it becomes boring. Though it is a fun way to test dps out.

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Wednesday, June 11th 2014, 9:24pm

and on easy sometimes the strats arent there or arnt really hard enough to even notice and the strats are the fun part.


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Wednesday, June 11th 2014, 10:12pm

Belathis easy, I would love to see someone solo it

Grotto I am not 100% if it can be soloed all the way through or not.

KBN easy ok NOW 10 levels higher yea.

As someone that strives for what I can solo, saying that "Almost every instance can be soloed on ez at level" is just not accurate. Beth Ez can be soloed, CoB could be soloed, but not easily. AE easy? don't think it can be soloed never tried. Tosh Easy cant be soloed. Those are all of them 70+ and really that is 15 levels below cap atm. So more like half can be soloed, which isn't "almost all". Anything under Tosh, on easy is not a big deal anyway but still would say less than 10% can solo ALL of these on easy.

Also just cause one person or .005% of the server manages to solo something with Pheonix redempts, etc, doesn't mean that it is fair to say it is soloable. If you have videos of you soloing these easy instances I would love to see you solo half or more of all the instances 70+.

The main thing is when you are 85.. ANY easy instance 15 levels lower than you SHOULD be possible for someone with MEH gear. I mean take RT easy, how many people do you think on the servers CANT solo it? That is 25 levels lower than cap. And with that you have a 35%+ level advantage on the boss. Would you say it is possible with quest gear? Nope. I mean maybe YOU think there isn't a population issue.

I am ok with a decent difficulty jump from easy to norm, and then norm to hard.. I just think the term "easy" shouldn't mean if you are in the top 100 of your server you can solo it. And I am sure not all in the top 100 lists can do it. Even with a level advantage.

Edit: lets not even talk about the people who don't use FoTM classes. Lets remove the r/m, w/m, m/w, m/wd, wd/s and the other "op" classes and THEN how "soloable" are these instances.

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Wednesday, June 11th 2014, 10:52pm

I soloed grotto ez with my m/wd. 3rd boss is tough. Use speed buffs, cast ferret sickle on the boss, kill adds asap and touch crystals. Use serenstum when the boss cast AOE, and burn as fast as you can.

AC ez is not soloable unless you got selfheals or priest/druid secondary, and even that way it would be really hard.

Tosh ez can be soloed if you one hit Jenny. I can do it with my w/m if both hits crit

Bela ez B 1 - 4 can be solo

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Wednesday, June 11th 2014, 11:01pm



Grotto I am not 100% if it can be soloed all the way through or not.

KBN easy ok NOW 10 levels higher yea.

grotto ez if not for third boss can be soloed 3rd boss is the pain making you bring healer. (at least for me)

as to kbn ez? easily soloed at level 75. When i said at level i meant at the instance level. Not the current level 85 cap.
As to rest any like hos colors or tosh first boss yes they cannot be soloed..

gce stops you of course at 4th of course at level do to needing 3 in party to not get hatted.

As to phoenix redemptions ... Why would you use them in EZ?

AC easy? could be soloed it just took forever on the twin bosses. (you could aggro them individually)


if you look i said those that can't other then ones like HoS colors, can be duoed. As in 1 healer and 1 dps.
Yes i speak from experience. As in I did all this myself as a R/S when I was capped at those instances level. Though I did give in and reroll back to r/m sometime after 85 level cap hit.

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Wednesday, June 11th 2014, 11:59pm

I say pheonixs cause there was a guy that did solo videos and on some bosses used them.

If you meant leveled at cap.. then it is even less.

See I never knew the one shotting Jenny trick, but I know you can do GCE 4th solo if you get him fast enough, 5th little harder.


Ok so we got Tosh mostly not soloable, GCE you said not soloable, 3rd in Grotto we said, CoB hard if not impossible to solo, Belathis I say.. nope esp not at 82. AC.. maybe. If we are talking like DoD at 57.. I don't know solo at 57 if that was possible. WA ez at the cap at the time... nuhh uhh, memory serves 120k dmg for the party on easy, you can immune food once. RT easy at 60, 3rd is burn cause if solo you cant get yourself outta bubbles, and I am pretty sure solo at 60 even on easy wasn't possible.

That is by far "almost all" for soloable at the cap at the time. Duoing even at those levels ok that is more believable if you had a healer, well enough geared willing to do it.

We are also probably thinking that most of us talking from experience has been at the top of the lists for that time... again NOT the average player.

and we are still talking pretty dang good geared for duo, and still gotta have FOTM. I mean at Chap 3 if you weren't a scout, I am sure not possible. And STILL we are talking about less than (ill be generous 4% of the population cause at those times, more may have been able to, but the pop was higher too keeping the % the same).

I mean we aren't average. Or you think us who are soloing higher than 70+ instances on easy are "average"?

Lets add for some of those instances R/S was the FoTM at that time and s/r was before that.

The OP said MAJORITY of people. So I still direct you to the question, if the AVERAGE person can solo easy instances? Not that someone, at some point, with massive time/money in the game, managed to solo it. AVERAGE, MAJORITY

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Thursday, June 12th 2014, 10:22pm

Not sure why the need to want to solo everything. Isn't this an MMO?
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Friday, June 13th 2014, 12:37am

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Not sure why the need to want to solo everything. Isn't this an MMO?


who said anything about a NEED?


Did I miss something?

He said "Almost every instance can be soloed on ez at level."


to which we have been discussing if that is an accurate statement. Even the OP said nothing about NEED. Did you read something I didnt? Please show me where anyone said NEED.

OP said "Besides these few folks, the majority of players I have seen run anything at all seem to focus the majority of their attention soloing content for mems or running content that is 30 levels lower than their current level"

So he made an observation about other with no mention of NEED. We were discussing the possibility of soloing content... again no mention of NEED.

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Friday, June 13th 2014, 12:53am

stop being a grumpy old nitpicking man

point is it's an MMO not solo game

too hard to understand?
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Friday, June 13th 2014, 1:06am

we don't have the population to even call 90% of the game an "MMO"...

besides the chat and odd instance runs, there really isn't much "multiplayer" to this game...

heck, even the majority of the gearing process is single player...
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Friday, June 13th 2014, 1:39am

well said Cike.


Sometimes people are FORCED to run content solo or with less than the instance was intended. The less inclusive the content, the less people will play. Been saying it for years.


And I wasn't nitpicking, if I was nitpicking I would say your post was a troll attempt at derailing the thread considering it had no contribution to ANYTHING that it was directed at.

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Friday, June 13th 2014, 1:47am

If you oneshot jenny, doesn't the door still remain closed?
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Friday, June 13th 2014, 3:59am

If you oneshot jenny, doesn't the door still remain closed?


Yeh it's supposed to, at least with all the times I have heard about people try, it's remained closed, unless said person is removing door? lol.
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Friday, June 13th 2014, 5:57am

well you always have those special people that know of ways to glitch the instances, seen it a few times and it makes me sick. going through closed doors, humping a ramp so they don't have to jump the tiles in an instance etc, sad to see.

Those for me should be things fixed and put on watchlist. Oh we run endgame but we cheat to do it, great job, do it as intended and if you can't jump tiles, well you get someone who can or get out or get assigned a 30 day vacation.

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