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Wednesday, July 9th 2014, 10:44pm

Time to change the pet system

Nothing major, it is just too much XP to get to level 50.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?…=CIKAzcUH#gid=0

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Pet Level:50      Needed Experience:618,592


That's either:

62 10k xp charms (~4889 diamonds @ 79 dias on 20% off sale) and at 150k per diamond 734.7 million gold | ITEM SHOP ONLY |
61860 miller cakes (3,500 gold each. Total 216,507,119 gold) | INGAME PET VENDOR |
6186 golden eggs (no real way to obtain that many)

216m gold may not sound like too much to a long time playing endgame, but to people just starting, thats quite a bit.

I would say lower the % xp from level to level. Lower it to 4%, or even 2%. It just costs too dang much.

Keep in mind, this posts contains no information about how much it will cost to increase the talent points and training... aswell as aptitude. Keep that in mind also.
offtopic: Why are pet items selling for so much dias in the itemshop if the ingame equivalent is so much cheaper?


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Wednesday, July 9th 2014, 11:09pm

Well with all the GM's give away in the last year, my alts have like 1400 golden eggs on each of them. Just gotta be on when they giveth away.

Also new players can take their sweet time to level their pets to level 50, no rush. Unless they also want to be powerleveled to play the game and skip all quests, except dailies and then complain their questline is broken or that they cannot enter an instance because they did no quests, lol. Then they can ask GM's to auto-complete their quests cause it's too hard loll.

They need to increase the pet crafting capabilities higher than level 61, make it all the way to 100.

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Wednesday, July 9th 2014, 11:15pm

Pet assist skills need to go beyond 5 and pet specialty skills need to be upgradable

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Thursday, July 10th 2014, 2:11am

zid, you can't expect new players to go through the exact same things you went through while the game is still advancing. else they will never catch up. frogster-era players are still miles ahead of people who started later.

agreed with BB, should be fixed. either that or unbind golden eggs again. they shouldn't change anything with the higher levels until they make it more accessible to new people.

seriously, how many people leveled pets w/o the recent pet event or with botted golden eggs?
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Thursday, July 10th 2014, 2:32am

They should definitely lower the price of pet XP charms and pet XP pots in the IS though. Those things cost so much diamonds its kinda silly lol.
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Thursday, July 10th 2014, 2:54am

I don't believe they need to change the xp for getting the pet to lvl 50. While it's not easy, it is definitely reachable without taking too much time or spending a lot of diamonds.

Golden eggs are a little bit harder for the aptitude and skills, but with lot of events recently giving golden eggs, it's really not that bad. I could see adding another skill level up to 6. That would be a minor boost without making too large of an impact. As for the pet's personal attributes/skills, kind of on the fence on whether they should be able to be improved.

They definitely should increase the level of mats the pets can produce.

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Thursday, July 10th 2014, 4:02am

leveling aptitude & whatnot is really easy... chain merging.

you need 3 slots. your main pet in slot 1, leaving slots 2 & 3 open.

Buy your pet element or none elements to feed to one another, then feed that last pet to your pet = boatloads of training.

Remember that millers cakes = 1 training @ 3500 gold = 175k gold for 50 training; so if a pet is less than 175k, then buy it and chain merge it.

At least that's how we did it when pets first came out... I've never heard of people feeding their pets golden eggs? that's just wasteful.

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Thursday, July 10th 2014, 5:35am

Golden eggs was the way to go when I was leveling them. I was playing before they came out, and golden egg bots were all over. Golden eggs were everywhere. Unbound and cheap. Really cheap.

They let you get talent points, training, xp. everything.

Then the fire nation attacked and made them bound.

I just paid 200m to get it to level 50.... but now I gotta go through the whole talent points and leveling my skills. That fun stuff. It's already 200m, that's already too much to ask.


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Thursday, July 10th 2014, 5:39am

Chain merging was pretty easy when AV had the highest eggs. Everyone was in new continents, so they were getting lots of lowbie eggs. These days there are few low eggs so chain merge is pretty hard. You just dont have AH selection anymore.

That said, the pet events are pretty frequent, and the anniversary one was very very generous. I got a new holy egg maxed on aptitude and to L50 pet on that event alone.
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Thursday, July 10th 2014, 1:07pm

I'd say they shouldn't lower the experience needed. Instead increase the experience you get from merging another pet to 100x the level of the pet with a minimum of 1k experience.

All eggs level 1 to level 10 would give 1k experience.
Level 11 = 1,100
Level 12 = 1,200
...
Level 54 = 5,400
Level 55 = 5,500
etc.

You still wouldn't be able to merge with higher eggs, of course.

Just some numbers to go by when consider the above:
A level 1 pet takes 1,080 experience to get to level 2. It would be the same amount of level 1 eggs as it is now (2).
A level 10 pet takes 2,159 experience to get to level 11. It would be the same amount of level 10 eggs as it is now (3).
A level 20 pet takes 4,661 experience to get to level 21. It would take three level 20 eggs as opposed to the current five level 20 eggs needed.
A level 30 pet takes 9,317 experience to get to level 31. It would take four level 30 eggs as opposed to the current ten level 30 eggs needed.
A level 40 pet takes 21,725 experience to get to level 41. It would take six level 40 eggs as opposed to the current twenty-two level 40 eggs needed.
A level 50 pet takes 46,902 experience to get to level 51. It would take ten level 50 eggs as opposed to the current forty-seven level 50 eggs needed.

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Thursday, July 10th 2014, 5:02pm

I agree with BB, it is just too hard.

Now this is totally not self serving as we have about 10 characters with level 50+ pets with maxxed skills (thank you GM events and anniversary chest even with massive charms). It is however too hard for someone that wasn't around during these times. I have always thought this. Course then I was thinking it just for me.. lol.

There needs to be a reduction on costs for pet stuff definitely, so that the gold equivalent isn't just the best route to go (barring a special event).

They could make pet merging a flat 1000 xp up to.. level 20? Then after that have it be like 20% of a level. Or maybe make it 1000 xp or 20% of a level which ever one is higher. That wouldn't make it so bad.


I mean We have one char that has a blue pet, it is level 56 with all the skills maxxed out. So much has been put into it, that we wont start a new one with a holy.. JUST because it would take so much to get it up there. It isn't missing all that much statwise and the skills/innate abilities are great, but more primary stats would be nice.

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Sunday, July 13th 2014, 6:31am

Say pet is level 50, now focusing on maxing skills.

To max one skill that is 2500 Talent points.

To obtain talent points we need to use enhancement poisons (25 dias per). That converts 500 training points into 100 talent points.
So to max 1 skill, we would have to buy 25 enhancement potions (625 diamonds).

There are 8 skills.

625 * 8 = 5k diamonds.

For DPS, I would say 4 skills are crucial, meaning you can use half.

2500 diamonds.

Way. Too. Expensive.

Getting there may be a flat ~200m, but after that... oh boy.

(Keep in mind I did not include how much it would cost to obtain the training points to put into all the talent points)


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Sunday, July 13th 2014, 5:16pm

There are ways to get the Talents points cheaper than spending the diamonds, but the diamond price is just retarded. You haven't even addressed affinity either, which some think is a must.

This is why even a blue pet with fully maxxed skills is unlikely for me to replace any time soon.

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Sunday, July 13th 2014, 5:49pm

So the point of the thread is to make pets easily available to every endgamers who picked up 6 classes total and that they don't have to level all their new pets to 50 the old fashion way. LMAO!!!!

New players to the game have enough help as it is to level their classes and whatever else they want to do in the game. Do we see new players complain about how hard it is to level their pets? nope.

If it costs you 200M gold to level your new pet to 50? well it was your choice to begin with, you are not obligated to do it, so stop crying over it.

Pets are ok and don't need more help leveling, enough GM events for golden eggs, we never had that back in the day to help us, they are lucky GM's are so nice and helpful to us on that.

Have more than level 5 skills, yes that would be nice, level their pet crafting abilities, ya would be awesome, do i foresee that in the near future, well let's just say, been waiting for 4 years and hasn't happened yet ;-(

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Sunday, July 13th 2014, 6:36pm

true Zid, I don't forsee this thread changing anything.


But if it were easier I would think about fixing some of our non-holy pets lol.

For now though thanks to the GREAT anniversary event, and GM events and recent golden egg hand in event and some tricks I know.. our pets are pretty well off. They still can use some work, but they are coming right along.

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Sunday, July 13th 2014, 7:41pm

[....] It is not about endgamers having more pets for more classes. You fail to see the reason behind anything that is to improve the game, instead you take it as someone effing crying. Learn to see how it is hurting the game.

I was only posting this because I realized what NEW PLAYERS have to experience when they first find out the pet system. I was going through the struggle just as any new player would, and I would have to say that it is completely barbaric to have such a system exist in this manner. It's too expensive for a new player, it's too long. Endgame is hard enough for 99% of the population. A pet isn't going to help 99% of people farm it, but what if it helps one more, or two more percent?

It's a terrific gold sink, but it needs to be significantly lowered.

Yes, I believe everyone should be able to acquire a level 50 pet with max skills. Yes. It is a good boost in all stats, and damage, heals, etc. 300m and a month of time seems worthy. [...]. Just because I have done something the difficult way in the past does not mean everyone should do what I have done to get where I am. That isn't progressive, and it doesn't help people in any way.

GM events are nice, but some people are not around when they are. Waiting on a GM event just to level a pet seems like you could be waiting for quite awhile. Maybe 3 months. Maybe less, maybe more. I missed all the GM events, but still do not see how changing the pet system to being easier or cheaper would hurt the game in any fashion.

TL;DR. Still expensive.

I think they should change the pet pots at the pet vendor to be buyable with honor points instead of honor badges form siege. Just seems more reasonable.

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Sunday, July 13th 2014, 8:04pm

There is no endgamer with a lvl 50 pet who is going to reroll a new pet. It just isnt worth it. If i have a lvl 50 dark, why would i swap to a lvl 50 fire just for an extra 1k int? Not a chance.

On the other hand, being a lower geared player, the pets are a huge dps boost. Much more than most players realize. People focus on gear and dont seem to realize that gearing isnt where u should invest your gold at first. It should be runes and your pets. With that said, pets are EXPENSIVE.

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Sunday, July 13th 2014, 8:38pm

"I think they should change the pet pots at the pet vendor to be buyable with honor points instead of honor badges form siege. Just seems more reasonable"


I agree with this idea 100% and agree that some change needs to be made. Any player starting now or last 4 months, or came back that missed those events shouldn't be screwed.

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Monday, July 14th 2014, 2:07am

"I think they should change the pet pots at the pet vendor to be buyable with honor points instead of honor badges form siege. Just seems more reasonable"


I agree with this idea 100% and agree that some change needs to be made. Any player starting now or last 4 months, or came back that missed those events shouldn't be screwed.


Pretty much.

GM events have been amazing. Really nice. They are actually showing that they know what people are eager for / could use assistance with.


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Wednesday, July 16th 2014, 2:21am

As quite a new player, at least new on Artemis, having a GOOD pet is very very expensive. It takes me weeks to make about 20M, so imagine getting 200m? no way! Good holy pets cost around 100M, and then you need to raise it, it is really hard! Having some pet food for P.Tokens would be great!
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