M/w Vs P/s

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Friday, August 1st 2014, 9:38pm

Ok let'S talk about this :

M/W can have a different set of gear to switch around, all STR/STAM statted and their mage gear full Intel. They switch before starting combat to do a Gazillion DPS/damage in instances, not sure if it applies to siege tho.Is this an exploit or allowed?

If it is allowed i want my Iceblade back!!! i had a set of mage gear and healer gear, i switch from one to the other to either DPS or Heal depending the situation. Why is it fair for them to have that option but not P/S??

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Friday, August 1st 2014, 9:51pm

Two completely different things. This has absolutely nothing to do with Ice Blade whatsoever. Mages aren't making a seperate set of gear to perform two different roles, they're making seperate sets of gear to perform their one single role more effectively.

And it doesn't make mages do a "gazillion dps" in instances, it allows them to be competitive with the rest of the dps classes. Instead of getting destroyed by every r/m and wd/w they can actually keep up now.

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Friday, August 1st 2014, 10:14pm

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M/W can have a different set of gear to switch around, all STR/STAM statted and their mage gear full Intel. They switch before starting combat to do a Gazillion DPS/damage in instances, not sure if it applies to siege tho.Is this an exploit or allowed?

If it is allowed i want my Iceblade back!!! i had a set of mage gear and healer gear, i switch from one to the other to either DPS or Heal depending the situation. Why is it fair for them to have that option but not P/S??

Yeah, M/W definitely doesn't do a gazillion damage with full Str/Stam. At best, they can keep up with the top melee classes, or do a bit more if they get lucky with critting. Doesn't really apply to siege because few people play M/W in siege (M/W is not an amazing siege class, and swap set does not change that by much). And even then, I think W/Wd can buff to the same amount of Patk during burn as M/W without having to make a second set of gear.

And it took them like 2 years to change P/S. So even if you want to nerf it you gotta wait 2 more years Zid

Although I'm pretty sure they'll fix it in due time... when they're done milking mages of money and ready to make a new OP class for everyone to reroll into.

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Friday, August 1st 2014, 10:19pm

this is not the same at all....

it would even be closer to compare w/m and p/s...

and even thats a huge stretch...

my r/p can outdps r/m. your name is stupid.

mages should stack dex. word.

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Friday, August 1st 2014, 10:34pm

This is not the same AT ALL...

What you are saying is like saying that a Warden having a set of DPS gear and set of TANK gear is an exploit....

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Friday, August 1st 2014, 10:45pm

there were more problems with p/s than simply priests using mage gear...heck, if gear was class locked, this game would have been dead years ago...

unless m/w damage formula is "great"(broken), it can't even really be compared...

my r/p can outdps r/m. your name is stupid.

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Friday, August 1st 2014, 11:17pm

not saying that it should be changed... cause I don't really care if they change it or not....

but all they would have to do is make the buff work like other buffs, that during the duration, any change made alters the benefit. AA for instance, If you swap gear, recalculates the benefit. That would be all the would need to do....

if it was decided that it should change, again I don't care either way.

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Saturday, August 2nd 2014, 12:36am

[Flames removed]

Now on to the topic, Sharrara swaps his gear over on his P/K to his mage gear and Rising Tides folks like a boss. [Also removed]

/close this

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Saturday, August 2nd 2014, 1:30am

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M/W making a set of str/stam gear to buff Wisdom and Bravery with is ingenious. I had heard about this a while ago, and after crunching some numbers with a guildie, making such a set for myself would be an incredible buff.

It basically allows us M/W's to buff our MATTK to the level of that of a W/M's MATTK buff

For 30s every 60s anyways

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Saturday, August 2nd 2014, 1:46am

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That's all Zid does is complain and get on his rotting soap box

M/W making a set of str/stam gear to buff Wisdom and Bravery with is ingenious. I had heard about this a while ago, and after crunching some numbers with a guildie, making such a set for myself would be an incredible buff.

It basically allows us M/W's to buff our MATTK to the level of that of a W/M's MATTK buff

For 30s every 60s anyways

at least this time its about the game and not just whining about other people complaining. so that's a plus.

I would consider this seriously if there were actual arguments attached to the complaint. alas, there are none.

heck, you could argue the swapping of gear to essentially double a buff *may* be a bug. or you could argue that the m/w has an "unfair advantage" due to this. for pity's sake, u can argue that the majority of other attribute buffs recalculate as soon as stats change, and how should m/w be any different. make them all like that, or none like that, etc...

but instead, let's compare to ice blade...

useless thread is useless.

my r/p can outdps r/m. your name is stupid.

mages should stack dex. word.

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Saturday, August 2nd 2014, 3:07am

But it's not like other buffs. It's a short term boost to int. It's not a long duration % modifier to any one stat or value. It's a snapshot of your current stam and strength and then just a flat number boost.

The idea that this unbalances m/w is just silly. Mages aren't suddenly the best dps in the game. Nobody is going to mass reroll to M/W over it. The only reason it even makes that much of a difference is because instances are so heavily burn. Mage still has no sustained.

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Saturday, August 2nd 2014, 5:12am

/\ agreed though.

I think it is fine the way it is. If I so wanna drop money for a bigger boost... the game profits... not a big deal.

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Saturday, August 2nd 2014, 8:26am

In bethH tonight:
M/Wd - 5.448m DPS
M/W (in full Str/stam swap) - 3.585m DPS

M/Wd still wins ^
Will post screenshot in the other thread about mage DPS in bethH

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Saturday, August 2nd 2014, 4:32pm

Well i am just saying that i got different set of gear for the same class combination, they have to switch class and gear to get a higher benefit on damage. As a P/S i just switch gear to do damage, so i spend as much as a M/W but cannot benefit from my skills?

P/S got nerfed because people were getting killed in siege and got mad, since apparently none run this combo in siege it's ok. Siege is 1 hour a day and they got Iceblade nerfed, it is unfair and bias. One class can do it but the other can't. A 10 second cooldown on switching classes or gear would solve this and prevent people using the switch gear macro when they are about to die in instances to bypass paying for fixing their gear.

It would be nice to find a solution to this issue and put mana or energy cost only to the skill and leave it as it was.

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Saturday, August 2nd 2014, 4:49pm

No iceblade was a extremely OP skill and had no cooldown at all that is the nerd the p/s i still run into in sw can still easily kill me you if they're mage stated that skill still hits veeeeeery hard. It's fine as is it is not a good idea to have a strong skill that that with no cast time that can be spammed.

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Saturday, August 2nd 2014, 5:03pm

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No iceblade was a extremely OP skill and had no cooldown at all that is the nerd the p/s i still run into in sw can still easily kill me you if they're mage stated that skill still hits veeeeeery hard. It's fine as is it is not a good idea to have a strong skill that that with no cast time that can be spammed.

Global cooldown is still a cooldown, you couldnt spam it like how m/wd spams flame or anything. The damage also scaled normally when you compare it to rising tide. Now there is literally no reason to be p/s in sw. For one, p/m does everything a p/s can but more and better, and any mage class has way more utility.

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Saturday, August 2nd 2014, 6:14pm

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Quoted from "Asphodelix"

No iceblade was a extremely OP skill and had no cooldown at all that is the nerd the p/s i still run into in sw can still easily kill me you if they're mage stated that skill still hits veeeeeery hard. It's fine as is it is not a good idea to have a strong skill that that with no cast time that can be spammed.

Global cooldown is still a cooldown, you couldnt spam it like how m/wd spams flame or anything. The damage also scaled normally when you compare it to rising tide. Now there is literally no reason to be p/s in sw. For one, p/m does everything a p/s can but more and better, and any mage class has way more utility.

I don't think the more OP siege combos nowadays existed back then though, so you can't really compare P/S to the classes now because, the comparisons you can make down didn't exist at the time.

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Saturday, August 2nd 2014, 6:17pm

Let's not turn this into yet another discussion about P/S not being as OP as everyone thought it was. That horse has been beaten to death. Come to think of it, so has the entire premise of this thread. Zid is targetting another classes skill, that's not OP, to try to whine about how P/S has never been fixed.

I guess his new target is M/W instead of Rogue. Go figure.

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Saturday, August 2nd 2014, 6:25pm

Quoted from "ruisen2000"

Quoted from "Quaffy2"

Quoted from "Asphodelix"

No iceblade was a extremely OP skill and had no cooldown at all that is the nerd the p/s i still run into in sw can still easily kill me you if they're mage stated that skill still hits veeeeeery hard. It's fine as is it is not a good idea to have a strong skill that that with no cast time that can be spammed.

Global cooldown is still a cooldown, you couldnt spam it like how m/wd spams flame or anything. The damage also scaled normally when you compare it to rising tide. Now there is literally no reason to be p/s in sw. For one, p/m does everything a p/s can but more and better, and any mage class has way more utility.

I don't think the more OP siege combos nowadays existed back then though, so you can't really compare P/S to the classes now because, the comparisons you can make down didn't exist at the time.

Was mainly just making a comparison on what "no cooldown" actually means and how that doesnt apply to the nonsense in that post. I have no real interest in this thread though

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Saturday, August 2nd 2014, 7:01pm

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Global cooldown is still a cooldown, you couldnt spam it like how m/wd spams flame or anything.

Uhm, Yeah, it had a global 'cooldown', still close to spammable, Mage/Warden skill lasts 5 seconds, due to lag you only get about 3-4 seconds out of that, then it goes on a longer cooldown... M/WD is nothing like P/S, even without it, it has a CAST TIME which makes is almost useless in PVP unless you are sitting in a large group or attacking a healer... Now on the original topic, M/W is also absolutely nothing like P/S. Having a separate set of gear to make your class better somewhere is by no means an 'exploit'. If so, they might as well ban PVP gear, because y'know, it is a separate set of gear used to make any class better in siege... As a M/WD/W, my M/WD does *close* to nothing anything past beth, and to keep up with mediocre Rogue/Mages and Warden/Warriors, yeah, I need a separate set of gear. What is so bad about that? Making the Mage class almost useful again? Get over it...

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