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Saturday, August 2nd 2014, 11:37pm

They've started closing the threads about scout balancing because it's been discussed a million times over and they are tired of seeing them. The same exact thing needs to be done with P/S iceblade threads. It's been discussed and we all know how unhappy you guys are about not being able to button mash anymore so lets stop the nonsense.

Please no more Iceblade QQ threads.

Also.. Iceblade got nerfed because of PVP. M/W stacking str/stam doesn't effect pvp so no one cares about it. It doesn't effect anyone negatively. Iceblade did so it was nerfed..

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zidlef

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Sunday, August 3rd 2014, 12:44am

Well Mongo that is my whole issue, people tought it was too OP for PvP, siege is an hour a day. I used to play my P/S in instances and questing etc and it didn't bother anyone. But the instance the poor people in siege QQ for one skill they remove it. Let's talk about machine gun flame from Wardens then? what about that? same thing in siege.

But this thread is more about the M/W switching gear or class whatever to gain full benefit of what i think is an exploit. Would be nice to have the GM's respond to this. I was just making a comparison with Iceblade skill ;-)

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achilleas1

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Sunday, August 3rd 2014, 1:08am

why u need p/s iceblade back when u r a k/m? just put on ur magic dps gear and destroy everything in sight

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Thenewslash

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Sunday, August 3rd 2014, 1:46am

Quoted from "zidlef"

Let's talk about machine gun flame from Wardens then?

You say that as if we can do that whenever we please, as I have said before, it has a longer cooldown, if you don't want to get killed by it, serenst...You bring up a Mage/Warden Earth Core Barrier, that lasts 5 seconds (which we can't even use the full 5 seconds due to lag mind you), yet, there are classes like the Champion/Mage who hit people for millions of damage. Theres also rogues with hide and combo throw! And Knight/Mages with their high absorbs and high damage! Same with wardens! Priests and Druids are super tanky and can heal themselves! Lets just nerf ALL THE CLASSES.... All the classes have their perks. Same goes for Mage/Warrior... You act as if, with that single skill, Mage/Warriors can solo Morfan or something stupid... R/M do more damage than Artemis' best mage, as do WD/W, and you complain about that? And know, as I have said, it isn't an exploit, that's like saying, for example, if I have a PVP set of gear, and a PVE set of gear, it would be bannable, for me to switch sets in siege, to kill a priest, druid, champion etc etc.. -_-

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Cike

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Sunday, August 3rd 2014, 2:41am

plus, everybody with a healer offclass knows how useful switching gear during combat is...

since we are trying to nerf lasses for no reason whatsoever, I say we nerf k/s. perma stunlock with no counter is OP(actually I'm not really kidding with that. it is stupid OP).

/sigh...

my r/p can outdps r/m. your name is stupid.

mages should stack dex. word.

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SaitoHajime

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Sunday, August 3rd 2014, 4:47am

It is ok to use it since it actually is just a logical consequence of the skill description and the previous usage of statting 6x INT/STA as a Mage/Warrior. It adds INT and is not a conversion like Shield Form which does update live.

Is it possible that Runewaker did not think that players would min-max in a way of using a second gear set for it? Yes, it is.

We have taken notes of the usage of that skill but unless Runewaker changes it on their own, I personally do not expect any short-time changes to it, but it will be looked at when we tend to general skill balancing issues (There are many many more skills which are incredibly more powerful already on their own and get ridiculously powerful with the right synergies atm - and those make the current burn situaton possible in the first place). So possible reworks or changes of the skill are not out of the question, but it is nothing that requires high priority like the recently fixed bug/exploit (which was an absolutely clear case, since it was explicitly that the skills used were mutually exclusive and NOT meant to stack) on Warrior/Mage. But, keep in mind, I can only base my answers on information currently available, and I am not Runewaker.

TLDR: Yes you can use it, but by all means, do not expect it to stay *forever*. Make yourself aware that you're min-maxing around a technical edge case.

Iceblade IS different, you can still deal a ton of damage with Iceblade on Mage gear - but you have the CD that blocks you from spamming Iceblade. The damage output has not been changed per skill use AFAIK (so you will still get the same hits with the same mage gear instead of healer gear), the skill has a CD. That was a skill nerf ages ago and is a different issue. Is Iceblade worth taking a look at? Probably, but I really would not expect a revert to the original state, that defeats the purpose of the change, if it is considered "too much" by some or not.

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Added: The reason why it currently seems so attractive is because while it is also (at least a bit) harder than previous burn-instances, Pillars of Morfan features the highest defense values on trash mobs and bosses seen until today in the game, while for guilds on high gear level the fights are still rather short depending on the boss. Min-maxing your MATK as a Mage is the logical conclusion, especially for fights that are still rather short. On any fight that requires sustained damage this skill and this way of using it would be a non-issue, previous posters who already stated that, are quite correct with that observation.

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zidlef

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Sunday, August 3rd 2014, 6:04pm

Well tyvm Saito for that very well explained post, that is why you are the best in clearing dilenmas of questions we have.

Cike btw what perma stun lock skills do K/S have?? you have no clue of what you are talking about and just trolling.

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Soulcalibur

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Sunday, August 3rd 2014, 6:11pm

Nerf M/WD, CH/M tyvm, everything else is fine.

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Gutterboy

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Sunday, August 3rd 2014, 6:22pm

Quoted from "Soulcalibur"

Nerf M/WD, CH/M tyvm, everything else is fine.

But.. but.. If they nerf M/Wd I'm gonna have to reroll again.. W/M though it might do a lot of damage, doesn't cut it in the siege department for me, the playstyle is boring.

If they nerf M/Wd I'm gonna go back to playing Scout. At least if I'm gonna play a nerfed combo it's gonna be my favorite combo.

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acypcar90

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Sunday, August 3rd 2014, 6:30pm

The thread topic has been responded to by a GM, amd absolutely no one agreed with Zidlefs rant (rightfully so) or his failed comparison between m/w and p/s (also stated by a GM as being a comparison you cannot make)

Just close this thread.

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zidlef

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Monday, August 4th 2014, 1:48am

Can we remove the threads that are made by people who have nothing constructive to say, my thread has legitimate questions. If you don't like the questions i am asking, don't read them, especially if you have nothing to add.

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CharlieBananas

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Monday, August 4th 2014, 2:35am

Quoted from "zidlef"

Well tyvm Saito for that very well explained post, that is why you are the best in clearing dilenmas of questions we have.

Cike btw what perma stun lock skills do K/S have?? you have no clue of what you are talking about and just trolling.

I believe he is talking about Holy Chains.

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zidlef

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Monday, August 4th 2014, 3:33am

Well Holy chains mostly never works on rogues/champions/wardens and people who have the gloves for restriction, ya it's a very OP skill loll. At least the toons that are of my level easily get away from it. People who don't level their toons and only do PvP tweaks toons, anything for them is OP.

Also it's half the time if not undead or demon, so 1/2 the duration on players. Since i am probably the only K/S in siege it really needs to be nerfed, failed attemp at trolling as usual. If you can't kill me in siege here's options for you : learn to play, get 400M TP to be worth being in the front lines, level up, gear better or reroll to a mage class.

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Borella

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Monday, August 4th 2014, 3:37am

Uhm. No. It's definitely super OP. Nothing gets you out of it. Not PvP gloves, nothing. And it's spammable at range skill. Do you even know your own skill? You can stun someone for over 30 seconds, and spam it on an entire guild.

Maybe you don't know how to use the skill correctly, but on a player like Kanuu's K/S.. it's the most annoying thing ever.

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Cike

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Monday, August 4th 2014, 4:05am

zid. it has no counter. it is infinitely spammable. it doesn't matter how long it lasts because you can spam it. oh, and its an aoe.

if you have no idea why this is OP, i dont think you know how to most effectively play a pvp k/s. you have no idea the chaos you can create with it. sure, you won't be the one doing the killing, but you can stop an entire guild in its tracks(literally). it is probably the most OP skill in PvP right now.

my r/p can outdps r/m. your name is stupid.

mages should stack dex. word.

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CammoXD

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Monday, August 4th 2014, 5:24am

Yeh, that chain is hella op, the only thing that lessens its effects a bit is that, like Shadow Prison, after the first cast on a target the next is a lot shorter than the 1 before, and after that its just immune. But that's still like 40 seconds of CC lol

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CharlieBananas

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Monday, August 4th 2014, 8:40am

Quoted from "Cike"

it is probably the most OP skill in PvP right now.

Wouldn't go that far, but it'd enter my top 3.

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zidlef

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Monday, August 4th 2014, 4:25pm

Well i will Fraps our next siege and show you that people do get out of it and pretty easily i might add. It's funny because you guys talk of how OP it is, at to I who play and use it, see people get out of it all the time, skill goes off, they get chained and poof 1 second later unchained. I know how my skills work and i know it doesn't affect people that much, unless they are using an exploit to easily get out of it that i don't know of and probably no one will share either.

But we will see in my next few sieges and Fraps them.

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Mythomage

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Monday, August 4th 2014, 4:30pm

Quoted from "zidlef"

Well i will Fraps our next siege and show you that people do get out of it and pretty easily i might add. It's funny because you guys talk of how OP it is, at to I who play and use it, see people get out of it all the time, skill goes off, they get chained and poof 1 second later unchained. I know how my skills work and i know it doesn't affect people that much, unless they are using an exploit to easily get out of it that i don't know of and probably no one will share either.

But we will see in my next few sieges and Fraps them.

They get out easy cause they receive damage.

Tried K/S once too, stupidly OP skill, specially fun when your last one and you just chain everyone who chases you and you run to freedom. :minigun:

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Cike

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Monday, August 4th 2014, 5:46pm

ah, so it actually was changed to diminishing returns...that's good to know...for a while it was able to be used indefinitely. so it already got ninja-nerfed, and people still think its OP lol

my r/p can outdps r/m. your name is stupid.

mages should stack dex. word.

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