Runes of Magic US / AU

Quoted from "bleedingblak"

I also like to think I founded R/M

nah, first one i know to switch was pruflas...we all laughed at him. then the elites got fixed and he out-dpsed the whole server...

Quoted from "bleedingblak"

If anything, I really want to dps as r/d but i'm a human :\ Not fair. R/d just looks like so much fun.

r/d is a blast...poison shroud is great fun, especially in pvp. killin' time is makes you an absolute beast. slaughter blessing is a nice PA buff...

add on the fact u get a blind spot every 6 sec @ 15 energy cost :D

Could the OP put up videos of them soloing PoM easy full so we can see some numbers at least because i am curious to why some people think r/p can compete with r/m

This is on topic because its just something that has to be said...K/S sucks.

Can we all just agree M/W is the best?

Quoted from "Lolim"

Could the OP put up videos of them soloing PoM easy full so we can see some numbers at least because i am curious to why some people think r/p can compete with r/m

I'd be interested in seeing screenshots or videos of some content within 10 levels too, to see how R/P does as a DPS.

I don't quite understand why OP is against posting screenshots (I'm assuming he is since he has been asked multiple times and has not done so yet). I mean, a screenshot would end it faster than any amount of posts or paragraphs.

OK, post your rotation and BB or I will redo the numbers.

kick and sneak attack are on longer CD's. total, they are about a 10% boost to DPS. that still doesn't cover the difference. crit buff on WA won't cover the difference either.

heck, you even mentioned that the posted r/m rotation is not optimized. if r/m can use BS, so can r/p, so no net difference. if we really wanted to compare, let's just take out the standard rogue combo from the comparison, and then we are left with EB for r/m and kick+SA for r/p. EB > kick+SA, and the WA crit buff isn't enough to cover the difference.

if we are going to start leeching bleeds now, then I can argue that 1 rogue/party needs to use SS/BS/SA, so that takes it out of the rotation completely, again, no real net gain. if you want to keep your SA bleed up for 20+ sec, that means u don't even use BS, so if anything, that would be an advantage for r/m.

even a standard rogue has energy management issues for max DPS, so I fail to see how, without using throw, a r/p with exactly 1 filler every 15 sec can handle it. here's some math: using SS, the lowest costing energy skill, every second, means u need a energy regen rate of 25/sec to continue the rotation past 4-5 seconds. I don't know what voodoo magic you've done with your char, but my rogue's energy regen rate is much lower. the higher damage skills cost even more. so yeah, tell me more about your rotation that attacks every second(and I'm assuming GCD is 1 sec here) that never runs out of energy without using any fillers besides 1 every 15 seconds...let's even theorize if SA had a cost of 0. that still means u get 1 extra attack every 10 seconds. that is still not going to fix your energy problem...

since throw doesn't trigger GCD, its less of a filler and more of free damage every couple seconds. oh, did I mention its free? if you aren't using throw every time its off CD, ur losing out on *free* DPS...

heck, half the reason r/s is high DPS is energy thief, which means they can essentially spam their high DPS/high cost skills while still maintaining the rotation.

however, all this theoretical math is useless without ingame proof. I know what r/m can do. I have yet to see ANY proof that r/p can even beat scout DPS.

just to be clear, we don't care about your actual DPS or gear except for comparison's sake. you could be the highest DPS on the server for all I care. we are merely questioning your claim that r/p can keep up with r/s, r/wdn and r/m when all else is equal.

I think I figured it out, his filler must be rising tide. Or so we must believe since nothing the OP is saying makes sense to match his conclusion.

Cike how would you even know any of this info im pretty sure your still on cike who's scout and i doub't your at lvl 87 what would you know about any of this lol while yes some combo's are better naturally but if you know how to play your class well enough you can keep up just fine considering most people with the flavor of the month class don't know how to play

Quoted from "Asphodelix"

while yes some combo's are better naturally but if you know how to play your class well enough you can keep up just fine considering most people with the flavor of the month class don't know how to play

Which is what we've been saying. Thank You.

Quoted from "Asphodelix"

Cike how would you even know any of this

Wut?

All Cike is saying is that the numbers do not square, and there is something fishy in the claim of the OP. I can't imagine you did not have the same reaction.

I can believe R/P can be amazingly enjoyable class. I can imagine it does decent dmg (let's say, bigger than R with no sub, and definitely something noticeable in a group). From this point of view, I can imagine that someone claiming that a class is "not viable" would trigger the reaction of the OP: Wait - I play it, enjoy it and I do fine, **** off.

But OP said more: he said that on the same gear he would do better than R/M. And this feels like spreading misinformation. And this is what triggered the reaction from Cike (who is actually careful enough to say that with Rom you never know and you should actually compare in practice instead of theorizing) and calculation of bleedingblak.

Maybe there is some trick in this story? Maybe there is some skill that suddenly on R/P has no GCD or something? But whatever it is Daniel is not explaining. And there is another possible option: Daniel is doing fine, but when he compared his dmg with a R/M the R/M was not doing things right (slow off hand? using casting skills blocking white attacks? or ... not turning on ET or not having the knives equipped? whatever).

Sure, Kick can be used for filler but it does not cover the distance. Sure, R/P is a fun class and would be even better without the energy-drain bug. But claiming it is better in dps than R/M is such a bold and unexpected statement that it requires some more proof. Imho. So I actually agree with Cike expressing serious doubts.

And, look, everyone could be wrong. But if you see a statement that seems to spread misinformation - how can you react in a different way than what Cike did: by slowly explaining what it looks like to you and why you don't believe the claim?

ive heard stories of op failing to dps sandos fast enough on easy mode with a healer and wiping

heard the story directly from the healer

my r/m solod normal mode at level cap

cmon now bb you know you got r/m from me

no i didn't u filthy casual.

i did it on the private server to get to level cap fast then like 3 weeks later i decided it was okay. by that time I heard you guys already had 70s but I was first on artemis (endgame at least).

pruflas rerolled within days of the original revamp.

Yeah but that's on Palenque and literally nobody cares about Palenque. :p

Quoted from "Cike"

pruflas rerolled within days of the original revamp.

By my great aunt sallys left foot removed in 1990


-_____- for once i agree with borella XD

I've used r/p a fair bit as I liked the idea of sneak attack in combat and immune burning. Heavy wound attack crit I was thinking would help on some of those heavy resist bosses too.

But r/m too op.

Quoted from "Cike"

i, at least, have never condemned you for playing what you want. i play a s/d for christ sake, which is really the lowest of the lowest dps.

Wait you mean to tell me there's a class with lower DPS than a K/P?

BB


I know that seeing you rogue mage made me first go "???? what is he doing that for!?" Then I watched some of your vids and on my r/s I grabbed /m pretty quick and leveled it for testing. Then we got lucky and class tickets came out so my g/fs scout/mage/priest could grab /mage. Now that is pretty much her main running class.

So I know you were one of the first I saw on Artemis with it. There was a guy in Gargoyles that was it also, but that was back when it had traps... he quit before the revamp I think.



I also agree, no one is saying don't play r/p, no one is saying, the players are bad... it is just the basic break down of the mechanics. M/w for instance can just out DPS all other mages in a burn... I have been saying it for years. I have proved it to some, and I am glad to see some real OP players using it and showing it to its full potential. However, that is just in burns. W/m and r/m have been cried about for being OP for so long..... we know they are at the top.. that is why so many roll them. Yes there are other viable classes, they may do less dps... but just don't try to distort the facts. R/p may be fun, it is broken atm, and atm it is not as good dpswise as r/m... it is just plain and simple.

but play what you WANT, if you don't... why play the game? I still play my m/p here and there, even though I know the m/w will out dps it. I don't hurt a run by doing it, but I do still have fun on my m/p in soloing and siege.

DK the beauty about Flecia's combo, for those who can't burn bosses in 8 seconds, he has survivability ;-). We do runs with him and other people that play odd class combos or not FOTM classes, our fights for Beth Hardmode lasts for 2 to 4 minutes sometimes. That is where our odd classes comes into play and make us still able to take down bosses even tho 7 or 9 players died at one point lol. How many times i finished food boss in GCH with the healer loll or the boulder guy in TOSH hahaha, hey Zid only 20% to go hahahaha but still managing to kill it and those are the most fun runs i have ;-)

We can all agree that there are broken OP classes like R/M and Broken could be OP classes like R/P. Class balancing ? Hell Ya. All QQ'ued about P/S and got nerfed, i hope they fix R/M and i will watch the QQ thread that would ensue ;-).

Just play the classes you want and have fun with and don't be a trend follower like so many!!!! HAVE FUN!!!!!