Runes of Magic US / AU

nope...it was perfectly fine for pve.

I do remember at least one occasion where a party wiped because the P/S that had been brought to heal decided to try to DPS instead.
So yes, I found it to be problematic in PvE.




Anton

You asking a question like this would be the same as asking a classroom of students to fill out a survey, the answers being A or B. And you read out the question to the class, leaving out half of the information, while after that saying, you cannot chose B...

If you want to collect data, you kind of need all of the information. PvP is a huge part of this game whether people like it or not, so sorry to say... B, yes it was a problem for the game back then.

That being said, in PvE, i'm sure it was fine, and I say that because I think it would also be fine in PvP now, it would still be OP... But at least with honor gear now people can survive it.

Zidlef. Drop it, this horse is long dead. Iceblade is going to stay nerfed due to PvP. Question, was it okay in PvE? sure but a p/s who tried to dps using ice blade at endgame is silly.

This still smells like a round about attempt to being back an OP PvP skill.

Quoted from "zidlef"

PvE answers only tyvm especially that soon we might only have PvE servers

this is pretty much an invalid argument. we all know iceblade was nerfed due to SW(which is a pvp event, but can be accessed from pve AND pvp servers). it had absolutely nothing to do with pvp servers themselves.

that being said, if you are opposed to 1 button wonder classes so much, why are you trying to resurrect one of the most infamous examples?


i really am curious as to what the point of this thread actually is, as the question is pretty much rhetorical, as IB had little to no impact on pve, except for questing....

Bad thread is bad. Also, what the hell kind of a question is "Did Iceblade skill bothered you in PvE." Think about your title for more than three seconds because that is atrocious grammar.

You're beating a dead horse. Everyone knows it was nerfed for PvP. Nobody cared about it in PvE. You KNOW this. This thread has no point, and you're just trying to start arguments about iceblade for the billionth time, as usual. Get. Over. It.

What on earth does a player trying to dps have to do with iceblade?

Sounds more like a player problem rather than a problem with ice blade.


I just did a question in hortek that required me to kill scarlet blaze offering bringers and honestly I doubt that I could do this quest by myself on my p/s . I mean I could get help but I don't think that you should have to for most quests.

I know what you are trying to do here, but in the current state of the game, 80% of the people play it just for the PvP, same for P/S, it was mostly ever played just for PvP and for PvE they would switch to m/p, p/k blah blah, which slightly debunks your question "Did Iceblade skill bothered you in PvE?", the answer to that is no, because it was rarely ever played in PvE with the rare occasion of a supposed healer attempting to DPS and getting the party killed as Antontakk posted earlier. P/S never had a burn, so it was just DPS gear and spam one skill, which wasn't very useful.

That being said, no matter how you word your post about Iceblade or Priest/Scouts, it will circle back around to PvP. That's why most players play the game, that's why it was changed. It might only be an hour a day, but it the busiest hour of the day in this lovely game that we all have in common. As I've seen people mention before "We do not play for siege." But in reality, 9/10 people who play the game are on for siege, and 7 out of those 10 log on just for siege itself. Now, that also being said, this change happened a long time ago, and Runewaker will probably not change it.

Iceblade isn't as useless as people think, it might not be as spammable (and yes, a one second global cooldown is still spammable, so do not try to argue with this, as every other class has at least that if not more for all their skills), but it can still be useful for PvP if played correctly, as I have seen some do in the past after the "nerf" that everyone wished to call it. (It's not really a nerf, its a cooldown change. If it was a nerf the damage of the skill would have to be effected, and it wasn't). As for PvE it was never viable and never will be. Peroid

P/S never had a burn, so it was just DPS gear and spam one skill, which wasn't very useful.
holy crap i almost spit out my turkey when i read this.
sounds to me like you never played this combo.
i however did for over 2 years and p/s does indeed have a burn phase.
pop all speed casting buffs spam rising tide(same as a mage spamming flame)


because it was rarely ever played in PvE with the rare occasion of a supposed healer attempting to DPS and getting the party killed as Antontakk posted earlier.

this is also a player related issue not a skill issue.

the problem is with the damg calculation NOT the ability to spam.
the ice blade skill is directly affected by intelligence.
on a 1 to 1 scale almost.

i had 2 sets of gear 1 for heals and one for questing and pvp.
i did not switch gear in sw
AND I USED WAY MORE THAN 1 FREAKING SKILL IN SW.

it has been said over and over but yet i still hear the same thing........but its a healer why it hit so hard??????
STACK MORE M DEF!!!!!!!
when i was a newer player and i asked why does a rogue 1 shot me i was told STACK MORE PDEF!
i also played p/s full time just ask around reni Borella can vouch for me on that.
i wasnt the best healer on server but i could definitely hold my own for not being top heal class combo.
if priests had more viable attack skills or even an aoe it might be different.
i want to see proof that the nerf to this skill didnt cripple the combo in pve especially with mobs in hortek.
if i break my p/s out of retirment i will gladly show video proof that it has been crippled just like the scout nerf.
and to make that one even worse rogues have better range than scouts with throw ,combo throw.

Quoted from "zidlef"

Could we have posts trying to derail this removed please, tyvm

If I am not mistaken, that class combo still has the ability to use Iceblade in PvE and PvP. Since this seems to be another troll thread how about just deleting the whole thread instead as a colossal of time?

Quoted from "timthum"

P/S never had a burn, so it was just DPS gear and spam one skill, which wasn't very useful.
holy crap i almost spit out my turkey when i read this.
sounds to me like you never played this combo.
i however did for over 2 years and p/s does indeed have a burn phase.
pop all speed casting buffs spam rising tide(same as a mage spamming flame)


because it was rarely ever played in PvE with the rare occasion of a supposed healer attempting to DPS and getting the party killed as Antontakk posted earlier.

this is also a player related issue not a skill issue.

the problem is with the damg calculation NOT the ability to spam.
the ice blade skill is directly affected by intelligence.
on a 1 to 1 scale almost.

i had 2 sets of gear 1 for heals and one for questing and pvp.
i did not switch gear in sw
AND I USED WAY MORE THAN 1 FREAKING SKILL IN SW.

it has been said over and over but yet i still hear the same thing........but its a healer why it hit so hard??????
STACK MORE M DEF!!!!!!!
when i was a newer player and i asked why does a rogue 1 shot me i was told STACK MORE PDEF!
i also played p/s full time just ask around reni Borella can vouch for me on that.
i wasnt the best healer on server but i could definitely hold my own for not being top heal class combo.
if priests had more viable attack skills or even an aoe it might be different.
i want to see proof that the nerf to this skill didnt cripple the combo in pve especially with mobs in hortek.
if i break my p/s out of retirment i will gladly show video proof that it has been crippled just like the scout nerf.
and to make that one even worse rogues have better range than scouts with throw ,combo throw.

Fantastic, you can pop foods and pots just like every other class in the game. That's not a burn. Spamming rising tide "same as a mage spamming flame" is also not a burn, that is a dps 'rotation' . By the way, I said spam one skill, I never specified it was iceblade or rising tide. (If you would call it that, lol, only one skill isnt much of a rotation). Priests have no burns, because they are not designed to do damage, they are designed to heal, as their description says when you create the class, surprise!

I'll admit the "rarely ever played in PvE" was a bit unclear and not on-top of iceblade itself. I'll make myself more clear.
A food/pot rotation (not a burn rotation, like other classes) does not make a P/S near as viable in PvE and not anywhere near desired as a mages rogues or wardens. So no, it didn't bother anyone in PvE because unless you had the best mage gear in the entire game, you were mostly useless.. (As the title is specified to Iceblade, not rising tide.)

I never, once, said that P/S spammed one skill in SW. I know P/S uses plenty of skills in SW. And if you still think Priests/Scout/Mage is useless in PvP, you should meet Grandmama.

I honestly do not care why a healer hits hard in siege. Why do knights hit me so hard? I don't know, I don't care, I'll just kill them first before they get to me, which is pretty simple and easy. If they are better than me, so be it.

Quoted from "zidlef"

I know that a lot of people complained about Iceblade in PvP and why it got nerfed way back when.

The question here is: did Iceblade bothered anyone in PvE??

Do not make it an iceblade ranting and nerfs and such

PvE answers only tyvm especially that soon we might only have PvE servers

People complained about iceblade because their class combo was (at the time due to gear or w/e) unable to navigate around taking out a jumpy/laggy iceblader with or without healing. Most rogues, high dps 1 hit classes were able to take out iceblades while tanks who just sit there and take dmg and deal none, got toasted. It was a very questionable tactic but it worked for dozens of guilds to control an entire side of the map with a p/s or more.

If someone is truly asking about how much purpose iceblade had in pvE then they obviously never ran with a p/s trying to be dps as they would already know the question which fuels the argument mentioned before me that this is a loaded thread with no purpose but to troll as per usual with Zide.

Also I'm a bit confused on to what you around going on about with only have pvE servers, do you actively play on PVP server if no, they why does that even make it into your initial post. You don't know what is going to happen with the merges, nor do I, so don't pretend to base your point on something you don't even know is going to full happen.

thread -1/10

Quoted from "timthum"

STACK MORE M DEF!!!!!!!

this can't be a complete argument though....IB had the same issues as the original ranged damage formula...

i'll have to see if they are still around to link, but it was tested multiple times that IB had a different damage formula than other magic spells, including an intel component....

Quoted from "zidlef"

As usual the ignorance of some and the lack of knowledge of others just amazes me.

enlighten us then. the darkness of ignorance can only be cleansed with the light of knowledge. shine your light upon us.

Quoted from "zidlef"

Since the GM don't give a crap about people derailing threads

considering all the offtopic posts got removed(as you requested, remember?), i'd say they are doing a pretty darn good job... just because something doesn't agree with you doesn't make it a derailment...


anywho, back to actual class discussion(this all was brought up by you, so i assume it's not offtopic to discuss it here)

hide only useful for pvp? you don't play a rogue, do you? rogue is one of the best solo classes for a couple reasons...one of them being the ability to bypass (most often fatal) trash when soloing instances...or even passing mobs/elites during normal questing...

also, how is it right to nerf hide because of pvp, yet a pvp nerf to IB was unjustified because SW is only 1 hour a day? color me confused...

Quoted from "zidlef"

I hope all FOTM'S get nerfed and broken

we can't afford more mass exodus's(exodi?) from overnerfed FotM classes zid....not to mention you just asked RW to "break" classes...

/facepalm

Quoted from "zidlef"

As usual the ignorance of some and the lack of knowledge of others just amazes me.

Pot and Kettle argument?