Runes of Magic US / AU

I'm not sure if this is right (I know it's not 100% exact), but it's close to what I tested on my warlock/priest.

The formula is: ((Matk-Mdef)*ADF*Cast Time)+(Mdmg+Skill Dmg+%Attribute))*(1+Mastery)

Again, I got no idea if this is what the actual formula is, this is just what I came up with from messing around with it on my calculator.

EDIT: After thinking about it some more, I believe that the Magic Damage is actually a multiplicative factor, not an additive factor. This means that the above formula is incorrect.

Here is another formula that comes close to what I do on my warlock/priest:

((((Matk-Mdef)+((Matk/mdef)*(cast time * (mdmg+skill dmg+%attribute))*Mastery)*Bonus Magic Power

And the second possible formula bites the dust. It spits out a negative value if your matk is less than the target's mdef, and it can't be absolute valued, otherwise it can be greater than your actual damage.

I believe you are missing the weapon speed (actual or nominal – I don’t think we know that for sure tbh). Also, there are so many factors that affect damage output, things such as player level vs mob level, mob, mob pdef/mdef/dodge/parry/crit resist, etc. that getting an exact calculation will be next to impossible (those mob numbers are available on rom-welten btw if anyone wants to take their calculations that far).

I understand you are more than likely trying to account for a theoretical value but since we don’t even know if the numbers are based on a percentage, log or even static hit table I think getting close enough is going to have to do.

p.s. Would be nice if a dev. were to log on once in awhile to try and answer some of the theory craft questions. They wrote the game engine so they should be able to shed some light on stuff like this.

Weapon speed doesn't affect Magic, though. How does how fast you can whack something with a stick play a role in the damage output for casting magic? As far as I have seen, casting speed buffs don't even affect the damage from magic, just how fast you can get those spells out. And again, I know that nothing we can figure out with as little knowledge as we have will turn out to be 100% accurate. It just won't happen. But again, it comes close. we can't get 100% perfect, but we can create our own formulas that produce numbers near what the actual formula creates.

I'm also unsure if the formula I made comes close with mages, priests, and druids, too. Might only come close for warlocks. I don't know.

I don't know that I agree with that simply because we really don't know with any certainty that the weapon speed ISN'T a factor. It may not be, it may, we just don't know so I don't think we can simply dismiss it. My experience has been that my priest's heals seem to cast faster with the 2.6 wand & shield over the 3.6 staff. Are they really any faster, tbh again IDK.

As the the other formulas Cike mentions, I'm sure they can come fairly close but here's my point: What are people asking for the formulas for anyway? If it's to check damage output the scruitinizer works fine. If it's to tweak gear through statting, etc. then having a formula that is not correct even by a little is just as much of a shot in the dark as an experienced best guess.

Not trying to rain on any parades here, I just think focusing on finding a formula, something that has been elusive for years now, is less helpful than discussing the individual merits of known variables and proposing a more general strategy for basically every combo. For example, we can easily find out how much mdef a current boss has from Rom-Welten and can make a reasonable estimate of how much matk to stack (buffed values) to get over any mdef hurdles.

Just my 2 cents on this. I've seen a few of these posts (probably made one myself one time or another since I came from a game where this information was actually known) and they never really get any traction. Anyway, good luck with the topic if you chose to continue this discussion, I think I've said all I really have to say on the matter

And no one knows for sure if warlocks follow the same damage formulas as the other magic users because they don't use mana and there are so few of them because of their damage.

The formulas also help you theorize if your stats are good enough to do anything in an instance you have never been inside before.

All those formulas are wrong or outdated cause they don't take in consideration the lvl of the skill itself. I did tests a while ago with p/s iceblade +50 (400 water magical damage) and frost scars (also 400 water magical damage). Same damage on the tooltip, same mastery, both insta cast, but iceblade does double damage that frost scars did. I used a reset tp stone and both iceblade + 0 and frost scars did comparable damage unless the magical damage was 0 or really low (prolly due to frost scars having higher tooltip damage).

That lead me to think:
1) The lvl of the skill passively boost the damage by 2% * lvl and explain why set skills with higher damage or higher % dps do less damage than an upgradeable skill with lower damage/% dps and
2) The tooltip damage adds a small amount to the magical damage calculation and explain why the difference in output damage between skills with same casting time, same mastery but different tooltip damage isn't that much.

Regarding to the warlock damage, I tried to figure out and equation and did many tests with druid, mage, priest and warlock skills and everything suggested that every magical skill follow the same formula aside of m/s shot, w/m, wd/d, and k/m white hits

Yea, I crossed out the above formulas I created since they were both inaccurate.... Anyways, you forgot about r/wl white hits (lvl 45 elite causes white hits to produce additional dark damage while in a poisonous state). And I shall keep trying to figure out the formula.