Soooo heres a video ..

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Tuesday, October 28th 2014, 7:23am

That people been bugging me to make.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJik7tAsdvo&feature=youtu.be

I am not fully buffed I could do more. I do however use most of the common buffs housemaid pa/lute/tambo/strong stim/hero/low level wedding food/housekeeper crit food/deadly potion. I really do however need to get fire training or above.

Please also keep in mind that I am still broken and usually waiting on my rogue energy in many parts of these fights, and that I can not use one of my top hitting skills (Blind Spot). I did however finally upgrade my dagger.

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Tuesday, October 28th 2014, 11:56am

no matter how hard i try i cant get resolution good enough for me to even see anything :/ anyone know any tricks?

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Tuesday, October 28th 2014, 1:37pm

Also could not really see anything either

max resolution is 480p on youtube...

I stared at the hp bars and the burn seemed very slow for comparing r/p to be as OP as r/m as you have done in past threads
Pretty sure most r/m are also not wasting time to get behind a boss so they can use blind spot in solo runs either

However I give you props for playing a class that you ENJOY even if it is "broke"

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Tuesday, October 28th 2014, 3:23pm

Quoted from "Lolim"

Also could not really see anything either max resolution is 480p on youtube...

I stared at the hp bars and the burn seemed very slow for comparing r/p to be as OP as r/m as you have done in past threads
Pretty sure most r/m are also not wasting time to get behind a boss so they can use blind spot in solo runs either

However I give you props for playing a class that you ENJOY even if it is "broke"

I d like to see how well a r/m can burn easy mode if there enchanted throws required the use of 30 points of rogue energy for every hit!! So after 3 hits your ET is disabled and there is no energy for using WA. That's pretty much the effect I am dealing with at the moment. Pop a pot you say well that only works once then its on CD. Having to sit and wait on my rogue energy impacts dps HUGE. I don't think your taking the fact I am broken seriously. Even without using Blind Spot, Low Blow still wipes my energy out.

Fix the class first! Then Ill look at where I stand against some of the best r/m's. That being said: where I am at currently should be more then enough to silence all but the most negative sourpuss critics. I

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Tuesday, October 28th 2014, 4:57pm

Actually looking at the video yes you can solo it PoM easy.

Kudos' to you. Many players can't.

Yes a R/M is lot faster .

Yes a R/S is probably faster.

Yes a R/Wd is probably faster.

Yet you are still able to solo PoM easy. The speed doesn't matter.

Applying that to PoM hard or Grotto hard is Completely different.

I would be afraid to even attempt soloing Spider Priestess Mandara and Lagusen (the original versions). If my DPS were that slow. Most likely you would die without a healer.

There is a point you haven't realized, and are repeatedly failing to realize. It has become quite obvious that until you are in a party with an actual EnD Game guild who burn thru things quite easily. You will never realize what the rest of us are talking about. So do yourself and us a favor and beg some of the End game players on your server, to take you thru an instance so that you can See the Actual difference we have all talked about reguarding a R/P vs other DPS.

This is not a knock against what you can do... It's yet another(most likely failed) attempt to take the blinders off your eyes.

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Tuesday, October 28th 2014, 5:14pm

Post video of how far you can get on grotto normal first boss

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Tuesday, October 28th 2014, 6:07pm

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Actually looking at the video yes you can solo it PoM easy.

Kudos' to you. Many players can't.

Yes a R/M is lot faster .

Yes a R/S is probably faster.

Yes a R/Wd is probably faster.

Yet you are still able to solo PoM easy. The speed doesn't matter.

Applying that to PoM hard or Grotto hard is Completely different.

I would be afraid to even attempt soloing Spider Priestess Mandara and Lagusen (the original versions). If my DPS were that slow. Most likely you would die without a healer.

There is a point you haven't realized, and are repeatedly failing to realize. It has become quite obvious that until you are in a party with an actual EnD Game guild who burn thru things quite easily. You will never realize what the rest of us are talking about. So do yourself and us a favor and beg some of the End game players on your server, to take you thru an instance so that you can See the Actual difference we have all talked about reguarding a R/P vs other DPS.

This is not a knock against what you can do... It's yet another(most likely failed) attempt to take the blinders off your eyes.

The point that your not getting is that if I wasn't waiting on my rogue energy as much and if I could use ALL my skills I WOULD burn those bosses MUCH faster. Also having fire training would make them go MUCH faster. Again Id luv to see how well R/M could dps if Energy Throw requires using 20-30 points of energy per hit!! (In PoM easy or Grotto Hard) which is the sort of thing I have to deal with now.

I have run grotto first and bethomia hard fulls (with my old dagger) I am WELL aware of what r/m and some these other classes do in those instances. I DO NEED much more practice running those instance bosses as I still don't have an idea what foods are best to use on what bosses. I DO NEED more practice running with groups figuring out how to fire off my stuff within the context of the group fight. but MOST IMPORTANTLY I need for RoM to fix the broken class issues so I can get the best out of my character. Until that happens there nothing much else to say, you've all seen the video and can take the results however you like.

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Tuesday, October 28th 2014, 6:44pm

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Again Id luv to see how well R/M could dps if Energy Throw requires using 20-30 points of energy per hit!!

this isn't even close to comparable. i honestly shouldn't even need to explain why, but here goes: r/m gets FREE extra damage each autoattack. yes, F-R-E-E. thats half the reason it's OP. how about to make this comparable we take out the damage from your broken skills from both classes. that way there is no advantage to the r/m with "working" skills.

at this point you are essentially saying "yeah, i'm as good as an OP combo, but only if they don't use their OP elite skills".

to end this once and for all, can a r/m, r/s or r/wdn with comparable gear please post a vid(with screenie of scrut breakdown) as well?

my r/p can outdps r/m. your name is stupid.

mages should stack dex. word.

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Tuesday, October 28th 2014, 7:30pm

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The point that your not getting is that if I wasn't waiting on my rogue energy as much and if I could use ALL my skills I WOULD burn those bosses MUCH faster. Also having fire training would make them go MUCH faster. Again Id luv to see how well R/M could dps if Energy Throw requires using 20-30 points of energy per hit!! (In PoM easy or Grotto Hard) which is the sort of thing I have to deal with now.

I have run grotto first and bethomia hard fulls (with my old dagger) I am WELL aware of what r/m and some these other classes do in those instances. I DO NEED much more practice running those instance bosses as I still don't have an idea what foods are best to use on what bosses. I DO NEED more practice running with groups figuring out how to fire off my stuff within the context of the group fight. but MOST IMPORTANTLY I need for RoM to fix the broken class issues so I can get the best out of my character. Until that happens there nothing much else to say, you've all seen the video and can take the results however you like.

It's not a personal thing. It's a math thing. You don't seem to be willing to accept the fact that even once your class is "fixed" to how it should be, it still won't hold a candle to R/M. It doesn't matter who's playing the character, it's just not going to happen.

No one is saying you are a bad player or that you don't understand how to play rogue or anything of that sort. It's a numbers game. You are never going to win a dps war with a R/M of equal gear that even remotely knows how to play their class.

No one said you have to change classes to play the FOTM rogue. Just like all the people who still play Scout/Warden or Mage/Priest or any other lower tier dps class. Do what makes you happy, but don't sit there and try to tell people that you will be just as OP as a R/M when you simply won't be..

Sorry..

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Tuesday, October 28th 2014, 8:06pm

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Post video of how far you can get on grotto normal first boss

this please

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Wednesday, October 29th 2014, 1:59am

Gotta give ya props. I played r/p when i first came to reni then caved to the fotm crowd. Should have stuck with it as it is a interesting comboand who csres how fast endgamers do it. Good for you. Doing it slow is more rewarding.

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Wednesday, October 29th 2014, 10:05am

Too many ifs and buts, just reroll to a non garbage class, they aren't gonna nerf a class just because yours sucks.

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Wednesday, October 29th 2014, 12:50pm

They weren't saying to nerf r/m. Was just trying to give comparison. And even if someone doesn't play a FoTM combo does not mean they have to reroll. Every combo brings something to a party, whether it's a pvp party or a pve party. For some it's insane dps, others insane healing, some great tanking, others great buffers/debuffers or even crowd control. It was intended to work this way, originally. However, people took it unto themselves to only take those OP combos in on runs. Just because you don't play one of those OP combos does not make the combo "garbage", though a class being broken does make the combo less effective in it's role and a helpful bugged class makes it more effective in it's role. If a class is easy, that's fine as long as you enjoy playing it. A game is supposed to be fun and challenging (but not too challenging), not easy and boring.

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Wednesday, October 29th 2014, 1:05pm

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They weren't saying to nerf r/m. Was just trying to give comparison. And even if someone doesn't play a FoTM combo does not mean they have to reroll. Every combo brings something to a party, whether it's a pvp party or a pve party. For some it's insane dps, others insane healing, some great tanking, others great buffers/debuffers or even crowd control. It was intended to work this way, originally. However, people took it unto themselves to only take those OP combos in on runs. Just because you don't play one of those OP combos does not make the combo "garbage", though a class being broken does make the combo less effective in it's role and a helpful bugged class makes it more effective in it's role. If a class is easy, that's fine as long as you enjoy playing it. A game is supposed to be fun and challenging (but not too challenging), not easy and boring.

This is why reni doesn't have an endgame.

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Wednesday, October 29th 2014, 1:29pm

Isn't Knightshift working on it? After all, they got the members of Heretic that remained. Either way, that's also because everyone wants to burn before the strategy needs to be done cause no one wants to learn the strats unless it's 100% necessary for the fight.

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Wednesday, October 29th 2014, 2:50pm

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cause no one wants to learn the strats unless it's 100% necessary for the fight

thats why all bosses should force u to do strat, so u cant simply ignore and burn. that way every class combo could have place in endgame runs and not just burn-classes.

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Wednesday, October 29th 2014, 3:12pm

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Gotta give ya props. I played r/p when i first came to reni then caved to the fotm crowd. Should have stuck with it as it is a interesting comboand who csres how fast endgamers do it. Good for you. Doing it slow is more rewarding.

first off thank you for that. nice to finally have some positive thoughts instead of all the negative sourpusses.

This negativity is EXACTLY why I was hesitant to make this video in the first place, because I fully concede that due to my broken issues that its not quite good enough to compare to R/M or other uber classes. I also know that most of these people would respond exactly the way they have. All these people care about is playing whatever class make them endgame the fastest and easiest and anyone else (broken or not) that cant quite compare just isn't good enough.

I never suggested to make your precious ET skill reliant on rogue energy as a permanent thing (but I wont complain when it happens), if we did that none of you would be able to play your class anymore you would all have to reroll to something else and we wouldn't want that would we. I was only trying to give you some perspective as to just HOW broken my class is. Watch the video and watch how many times the purple bar goes down to like 0 effectively killing any dps I can do forcing me to pop a pot or wait out my rogue energy. For easy mode burns I just wait out my energy because popping a pot is a waste of time and resources. Last boss I do kind of have to pop a pot since he heals up quick there but even after popping the pot the purple bar drops quick again.

Before I do anything more on this subject , post any videos make any more comments FIX THE CLASS < this please!.

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Wednesday, October 29th 2014, 3:21pm

You're still completely missing the point. You keep saying that because your class is broken it doesn't compare to R/M. I'm telling you that even if it wasn't broken, it still doesn't compare in the slightest.. Even after your class is completely fixed and nothing is wrong with it anymore, R/M is still far and away a better dps class. So is R/Wd and R/S. Completely fixed R/P is still near the bottom of the dps chart for rogues. It's not an opinion, it's a fact.

They will never put an Energy cost on enchanted throw because that takes away the whole point of the skill.. It is supposed to be free damage.. that's why people play it..

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Wednesday, October 29th 2014, 5:28pm

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Again Id luv to see how well R/M could dps if Energy Throw requires using 20-30 points of energy per hit!!

this isn't even close to comparable. i honestly shouldn't even need to explain why, but here goes: r/m gets FREE extra damage each autoattack. yes, F-R-E-E. thats half the reason it's OP. how about to make this comparable we take out the damage from your broken skills from both classes. that way there is no advantage to the r/m with "working" skills.

at this point you are essentially saying "yeah, i'm as good as an OP combo, but only if they don't use their OP elite skills".

to end this once and for all, can a r/m, r/s or r/wdn with comparable gear please post a vid(with screenie of scrut breakdown) as well?

tbh a r/m without et will still outdps a r/p

so would r/k r/w r/wl

other combos not sure

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Saturday, November 1st 2014, 5:04pm

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cause no one wants to learn the strats unless it's 100% necessary for the fight

thats why all bosses should force u to do strat, so u cant simply ignore and burn. that way every class combo could have place in endgame runs and not just burn-classes.

long live tosh-b1 & b2

This is my problem with the current state of the game. Far more enjoyable with a strategy and potential to wipe, Kinda boring when you run with end game players and the strat consists entirely of "Wait till I say go"

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