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Hipocrates

Trainee

Posts: 157

Sunday, November 2nd 2014, 12:14pm

The reason of me and many other players rolling a FoTM class is due poor and bad designed bosses that force you to kill them in under 30 seconds or the party wipes no matter what you do. This happened first with KBN 4th boss and almost every instance released since then has 1 or 2 burn bosses. Tried to figure out a viable strat for some bosses for weeks with no success.You don't know how frustrating is to wipe in an instance endlessly no cause lack of skills but the boss saying if you don't spend $$ and roll class A B or C you won't go any further in this place.

Currently we have 2 bosses of this nature in Pillars of Morfan, Kerkolon and Sarsidan (2nd and 3rd respectively). Kerkolon spawn adds and they're unkillable in hard mode cause as soon as a w/m white hit them or a rogue land a wound attack they will take back 180k refelcted damage. Sarsidan is even worse cause he's deathly on every mode. The apparent strat seems to be kill the containers but it won't prevent any of the so damn heavy % based aoe's that will kill everyone in a matter of seconds unless you got 3 or 4 DRUIDS spamming heals and everyone in the party with phoenix redemption and lowering their hp as much as they can

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Cenre

Professional

Posts: 949

Sunday, November 2nd 2014, 12:39pm

Kbn 4th can be killed slowly, you just have to know when to use pots and serenstum. Second boss in pillars the adda can be kitrd but as soon as he casts the long skill again you are dead no matter what and afaik there is no way to live through it apart from serenstum. 3rd is... Weird as hell and as you said, is deadly wherever you go.

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zidlef

Sage

Posts: 3,419

Location: Canada

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Monday, November 3rd 2014, 12:11am

I want all new instances to be like TOSH !!!!!! that is still the most fun instance in the game!!!

Flecia tyvm for your informative video, sad that people still don't get what you are saying or are too stubborn to see your side of the coin.

Never change Flecia, as i never did ;-)

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bleedingblak

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Monday, November 3rd 2014, 12:19am

Most recent instance the required strategy was Belathis (almost on par with difficulty of TOSH strats)

Aeternal Circle was also heavily strat based after 1st boss.

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BlankMinded

Professional

Posts: 793

Monday, November 3rd 2014, 7:30pm

RE: 2nd boss pom

Testing on easy mode shows the damage inflicted is ranged based. When he starts casting he stays staionary. Tank him in the middle of the room, when he starts casting run toward the doorway (or some other designated part of the room so everyone is near healers). Drag him back and repeat for the cast skill -- adds will also need to be dealt with. Well, technically if you can kill the boss within 60-90s or so you don't even need to bother with the adds, as you can just start fight in middle, run to door way to avoid 1st cast, and then seren the 2nd cast and the adds have such a small aggro range that being at the door prevents them from attacking your party.

I believe all the bosses can be dealt with strat wise, just very few of the ppl geared enough for it wish to die often enough to learn them.

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danielrayment

Intermediate

Posts: 193

Wednesday, November 5th 2014, 4:48pm

First I am glad to see that for the most part this thread has been respectful with more than 800 reads to only have 2-3 people answering along the lines of " r/m r/wrd etc etc still way better ... blah blah blah" is actually less then I expected.

I have one last post in me.

a) To speak of those classes as being WAY BETTER as fact is utter crap. You can spew the number theory all you want but that all it is: theory. For 3-4 years I have not been able to do what I want to do to get the best dps out of my character NOT EVEN I KNOW what a r/p can do full out! and I have more knowledge of what this class can do in my pinky finger than any of you do PERIOD. They may well be better I haven't said one way or another, what I have said is wait till I can do what I want to do then bring on any of your R/x whatever's and well see where I stand. Regardless!, even IF (and I stress IF) I am at the bottom of the rogues in terms of dps to say that is not viable/garbage dps is retarded.

b) my comparison about ET is not just about removing ET. Its about disabling ALL your skills. If ET takes 25 points of energy 4 hits would wipe your energy clean now you cant use ET (with the rogue energy cost), Wound or ANY major skill till your energy comes back up. This state is a state that I am in ALL the time because Low Blow wipes my energy out which means I cant use ANY skills till I have the energy back( never mind the fact I cant use Blind Spot PERIOD).

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Gutterboy

Intermediate

Posts: 306

Location: Oregon

Occupation: Exotic Dancer

Wednesday, November 5th 2014, 5:21pm

I hope your class does get fixed so you can finally compare your dps to real dps classes.

You are the only one talking in Theory. I've played rogue, I played it for 2 years. I dropped my rogue because I didn't want to play r/m to keep up with dps because I find R/M to be a pretty cheap class overall.

That being said, I refuse to wear the blindfold that you seem to be wearing when it comes to being realistic about dps of Rogue combos. It is a fact that R/M will beat anyone in dps by a ton just based on ET. That skill alone sets them far ahead of the other combos that don't get additional damage on their white attacks.

I won't even get into everything that R/P lacks compared to the good Rogue combos because you wouldn't listen anyway, this is the last I'll post in this thread. I'll leave you to your theories now.

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TWMXC

Intermediate

Posts: 448

Wednesday, November 5th 2014, 6:03pm

post video of grotto norrmal first boss attempt

Saito fix my wings

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heirienza

King of the Noobs

Posts: 1,027

Location: Reni & US IRC

Wednesday, November 5th 2014, 6:38pm

Quoted from "TWMXC"

post video of grotto norrmal first boss attempt

Fix class first then post video. ^.^ Won't prove much if anything if made while class is broken. Hopefully theyll fix the class when they try to balance classes which I've heard is being worked on behind the scenes.(just a rumor I've heard, but the person I heard it from is trustworthy xD)

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bleedingblak

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Wednesday, November 5th 2014, 9:27pm

Actually a r/m with soley ET will only stand up to a r/wd. Without its 70 elite it's DPS isn't nearly as impressive.

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achilleas1

Intermediate

Posts: 358

Thursday, November 6th 2014, 3:19pm

well:

- a r/m without IBD is "great dps". its exactly equivalent to a r/wd.
- a r/m with IBD is "retardedly insane". it boosts it overall dps by approx 40%

i guess we start to misinterpret the term of impressive.
a r/wd (or equivalently a r/m without IBD) does x2 the dps of a skilled r/s or any other r/-. this is already "impressive".
just because IBD is a plain moronic skill doesn't make the rest non-impressive.

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bleedingblak

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Thursday, November 6th 2014, 9:50pm

Last time i played r/s i was on-par with r/wd's

Which makes being #1, impressive. Especially since no other rogue has been near endgame since chapter 1. I mean, best boss burn dps. R/wd r/s and r/m. All the other rogues never had their moment in the sun.

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